Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.)

[Mr. Matt]

4 hours of home work + 6 hours of school, thats 10 hours if I'm not mistaken

You don't have to quote school hours as excessive to me. My school was longer than most high schools. 8:30 - 4:00, with two days a week being 8:30 - 5:40 in years 10 and 11. Plus three hours homework per subject. And I managed to find the time to learn about things the national curriculum didn't teach and still have some fun.

Why would I need a teacher to TELL me to write an exam paper? I can tell myself that, without the need for such a crutch.

Some exams require you to write in a specific way for the examiners. You can learn all there is to know about a specific subject, have flawless knowledge on every aspect. But if you don't write the exam paper in a specific way (which the teachers happen to understand) you won't get a top grade. It's one of the many reasons why any sort of official education, be it completed at home or school, is a joke so far as I'm concerned -- people can get high grade by knowing jack about anything, just because they wrote down the wrong facts in a way that pleased the examiners.

Doubtless, my point was that the rule set was closer to the final thing, not identical.

Not really. I doubt your parents are ever insulting and abusive towards you consistently, neither are any of your reletives or 'mentors', is that what Sporky called them? Regardless of the level of maturity of the insults, you will have to put up with them both in school out of school.

Well it's better than dealing with this smut.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_n...1212734,00.html

Yes. We all went through that I remember the first day my teacher encouraged me to only pleasure women orally. Oh wait... no I don't... it's a fad that will never catch on...

I suppose you'd like to see some of my city and guild certificates, to make sure I'm not lying as well?

I wasn't talking to you.

[SpiderGoat]

Originally Posted by DarthSporky

yeah...so? It's not like us homeschool kids are all stupid and have to learn at a really slow pace to pick anything up...I don't think I've heard of any homeschool-kid having problems in college.

Never said, that they were stupid, but at unie/work you will - often - not have the chance to work/learn at your own pace.

Originally Posted by DarthSporky

yeah
What country?

Belgium

Originally Posted by DarthSporky

Homeschool kids are not stupid (most of em anyway). I myself am finishing highschool a year early.

If someone who can't add can finish highschool, it can't be that hard .

Originally Posted by DarthSporky

If anything we're only sheltered from all the drugs, sex, and all the shit that goes on in public schools.

Sex is a natural part of life.

[Luetchyboy]

Nobody is set 4 hours of homework expected in next day. It is your own fault should you leave it untill the last night.

[Admiral Donutz]

4 hours a day is a still a little long: we (in the netherlands) went to school from 8:30-14:00 or 16:00. We where expected to make homework 1 a 2 hours a day.

I btw never encountered drugs on my school, and sex at school? kissing yes but no in the toilets or something... so no drugs, alcohol or sex on my school.

Some exams require you to write in a specific way for the examiners. You can learn all there is to know about a specific subject, have flawless knowledge on every aspect. But if you don't write the exam paper in a specific way (which the teachers happen to understand) you won't get a top grade. It's one of the many reasons why any sort of official education, be it completed at home or school, is a joke so far as I'm concerned -- people can get high grade by knowing jack about anything, just because they wrote down the wrong facts in a way that pleased the examiners.

HAHA what kind of exams do you guys have, i feel sorry for you... we made practice exams and you would not get any points if you answered the question incorrectly but wrote it down in a good way.

[Napalm]

Dont forget this: In a public or private school, there is interaction in the class room, so you get more opinions and view points than just what the text book says. For example, when I was in high school the way I write essays and the way I analyze things changes because I know how others do it, so I can do what works best, not what is taught in a book.

[D.Sporky!]

Originally Posted by Matt

You know, what you learn off the TV isn't generally accurate. I never even encountered drugs. And how you think avoiding sex is a good thing I'm unsure.

I don't watch TV. I don't have TV. Where I am there's lots of drugs in schools. And sex is meant for a married man and woman. (if you want to discuss that further, make a thread).

Originally Posted by Matt

Oh really? So you're not just relying on your parents, but the internet now? That's good.

Yes, often parents are meant to be teachers, and don't push their children hard enough.

Originally Posted by smartass

And yes, I can see that what your mentor says is true about your long distance 'correspondence' course. Please, visit the car forum and read some of the threads about 10 year olds who claim to own expensive, rare cars, which I also believe. I'm sorry to be so sarcastic, but you're insulting my limited intelligence now. Either you are lying because you are taking this whole issue far more personally than is necessary, or your mentor is lying to bolster your ego.

Oh really mr. smartass? Want me to send you some of my work? Hm? You know, I could forward you loads of e-mails my mom has recieved from my mentor, should I say, "praising" my family and me. I really don't have time for that shit, but if you want me to I could. Also here's the website for my online school. www.gatewayprep.com. Take a look, btw, Dr. Beasley is my teacher. Alot of the example work he uses for other students, I wrote. (no shit). Want me to prove that too?

Originally Posted by SpiderGoat

Never said, that they were stupid, but at unie/work you will - often - not have the chance to work/learn at your own pace.

That's what I'm saying, it's not like us homeschool kids don't know that. Of course we don't expect to work at our own pace at college...

Originally Posted by SpiderGoat

If someone who can't add can finish highschool, it can't be that hard

Guess where that kid had gone...yup, public school system...'nuff said?

Originally Posted by SpiderGoat

Sex is a natural part of life.

See what I said to Mr. Matt.

Originally Posted by Matt

Not really. I doubt your parents are ever insulting and abusive towards you consistently, neither are any of your reletives or 'mentors', is that what Sporky called them? Regardless of the level of maturity of the insults, you will have to put up with them both in school out of school.

Yes, that's what they are called, "mentors," call em "teachers" if you like though. Whatever helps you sleep at night...

See what I highlighted? Like I said, we do get out, we're not "out of touch with reality."

[Da-Ko]

don't watch TV. I don't have TV. Where I am there's lots of drugs in schools. And sex is meant for a married man and woman. (if you want to discuss that further, make a thread).

If there is a lot off drugs in the schools near you maby you are better off. Or maby when you turn 18 get out of your parents grasp you will experiment with drugs later in your life.

Yes, often parents are meant to be teachers, and don't push their children hard enough.

I dont know about your parents, but teachers are trained in teaching. Parents arn't. I realy don't learn much from my parents I learn from books and internet.

greetings fellow homeschooler! No, you are not weird, I'm 16 and I haven't asked a girl on a date either.

50% of the kids here said 14-15 years old for first date. The homeschoolers answerd "Over 18" Or said never. This is a example of social skills.
I dont want to make an enamy with you sporky, im just pointing some things out. The average level of academic achievement in Christian home schools at present looks good only when compared with the disastrously poor results currently the norm in public schools. While it is true that SAT scores are a little higher for home schools than for public schools, the average public school child comes from a generally poorer home environment and a school environment that is not conducive to learning.

Traditional education is important to a child's learning development. This type of schooling offers children a structure and opportunities to socially interact with other children.
Teachers dedicate years to formal education that prepares them for future teaching experiences. They are state certified, yet some parents think traditional education is weak because their children are not learning. These parents act out by withdrawing their children from school, so they can educate them at home. Home schooling is not beneficial to children because the parents are tampering with their children's future education.

Parents who choose to teach their children at home are taking on a large responsibility, which they may not be equipped to handle. People who are for home schooling bring up the argument that they want to monitor their child's development. This is simply not true; they want to control their children by monitoring their child's every move.

Often times when home schooling is applied, children grow up to feel resentment towards their parents and isolate their true feelings and ideas from them. My neighbor Jane Doe, who I interviewed, was home schooled. She told me she felt like she was in jail.

"Jane, how did you feel when you were being home schooled?"

"I felt like I was in jail, a home jail, not a home school."

She also told me that her relationship with her parents was strong until she started getting home schooled. The more and more she was home schooled the more her relationship with her parents started deteriorating and the more resentment she started feeling towards them.

In a household where children learn, there are usually one or two parents teaching. Parents of home schooling use the argument that they do not want their children to be exposed to an assortment of ideas. That is the problem with home schooling. The children do not receive an assortment of opinions and ideas. The teaching is one sided and lacks exposure to different ways people think. The children have fewer opportunities to socially interact with other peers. It is important a child has exposure with peers. Studies of self-esteem and social adjustment indicate that home-educated children are more likely to be socially and psychologically unhealthy (Montgomery, 1989; Shyers, 1992; Taylor 1986). Social interaction is an important part of a child's development.

Parents who are against public schools use the argument that they want to isolate their children to protect them from any outside peer influences. Peer influences such as drugs, and crimes but this is just not true. Sheltering children from such influences will not make these problems disappear. Later on in a child's life when he or she grows up they will have to go to a college or a university and they will encounter these same peer influences and not know how to handle them. Parents are not protecting their children but hurting them in the long run.

Traditional schooling is not as dismal as some think. Public schools offer a structured education, clubs, and after school activities for children. Qualified teachers instruct students during their education. Educating a child is important, and traditional schooling is the best choice a parent can make. The parents that teach home schooling are taking a step backwards in education. Home schooling parents want to shelter and control their isolated children but in doing that they lose sight of their true objective which is their child's education. If parents were truly concerned with their child's education they would send their child to a public school.



Answer by Arnold Guerrero (arnold@ThisisToPreventSpam-NOE-RemoveThis.vivifymedia.com) contributed on November 11, 2003, at 11:25am. Last updated on November 11, 2003, at 1:41pm.

Look at this site for pros and cons. I realy have most of the cons. http://www.faqfarm.com/Parenting/Homeschooling/519

[D.Sporky!]

Well that's what homeschooling is kinda. You learn mostly from books, parents help with stuff you don't understand. And no, you're not at all making an enemy.


Whether or not someone should be homeschooled depends on the child and the parents really. some kids do better in school. That's kewl. Some kids do better homeschooled, that's also kewl. Not all schools are good, some kids can't read in highschool! (no shit) So really, neither is much better than the other, it depends on the child/parent/school.


And yes, some kids would much rather go to school, and really hate homeschooling. Those kids shouldn't be forced to be homeschooled, that's baaaad. Depends on the kid (like I've said a million times).

[Admiral Donutz]

Originally Posted by DarthSporky

Not all schools are good, some kids can't read in highschool! (no shit)

I can't believe that, these kids would be stucj in the first class(es_ of the primairy school, if you have bad marks (which you will have when you can hardly read) you can't go to the next class or even finish primairy school. Same goes for the kid that could add 1,5 and 1,5... This kid would come passed the 2nd or thirth class of primairy school!

So really, neither is much better than the other, it depends on the child/parent/school.

I agree, although IMO is often the best solution. some kids might be better of homeschooled but i think that most of the children are better of in a public school for all of the reasons posted on this thread.

PS: don't use white for you font, i can only read it when highlighted (i use vbulllentin 3 grey, and i'm not the only one, just use the "default color" -the one on the top left- it will automatically change to a color that is readable on a specific background (depending on the style you use). This is just a piesce of advice!

[loz27]

I dont like the idea of my parents teaching me, to many spankings for not doing homework is what it sounds like Would not be nice, also there where 80% of your friends come from is school.