Home schooling for and against, (continuation of discussion in "Dating" thread.)

[Mr. Matt]

I would say home-schooled children work by rules closer to the final set, so we have the advantage in that particular arena.

...what? How did you come to that conclusion?

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

There are many, many people who have done exceedingly well even having attended public schools to start off with.

But do you attribute their success to the school or the pupil? The government would attribute it to the school and when a pupil does badly they are falling the school, see the inherent hypocrisy?

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

If you don't feel you're learning enough in public school, what do you do? Learn it in your own time.

With all the homework they get handed (and I can certainly share the sentiment,) " bugger that I'm going to bed now," seems to be the general feeling among my friends remaining at school.

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

The only person you have to blame for not achieving what you wanted to achieve is yourself. Firing blame at other people is easy but generally misguided.

Thats no reason to make it more difficult by attending school though.

Originally Posted by Zab556

He may be smart, but has he applied himself? You can be a genius, but if one doesn't apply him/herself...then it doesn't matter how smart he/she is.

But the school is whats being relied upon to apply them, sure if he'd concentrated on his work then he might have acquired an exam or two, but as Mr. matt points out teachers only teach you what you need to pass the exam.

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

...what? How did you come to that conclusion?

The majority of their contact is with older people, thus they tend to learn a closer version of that rule set compared to school children, who instead learn to deal with school children.

[D.Sporky!]

Originally Posted by SpiderGoat

Point is: at unie, you won't get a chance to learn at your own pace.

yeah...so? It's not like us homeschool kids are all stupid and have to learn at a really slow pace to pick anything up...I don't think I've heard of any homeschool-kid having problems in college.

Originally Posted by SpiderGoat

Proof? + Which country are you talking about?

Homeschool, kids like always take the top three places at national spelling bees...and I don't feel like looking for anything else. I'm takling about the US of A.

Originally Posted by SpiderGoat

Again, kids here learn that at the age of 10. You wouldn't even get to high school if you couldn't add that.

What country?

Originally Posted by SpiderGoat

... I think having friends is very important in life (plus, it's so much more fun ). It's even healthier to have lots of friends!

I can't disagree with that. But it's not like us homeschooled kids don't get out, we don't just sit here in our houses all day. We do have neighbors you know. We do play sports. We're NOT socially inept, we all have some grasp of a real world.


and come on guys (Mr. Matt in particular), what do you think? We expect to learn at our own pace in EVERYTHING allllll our lives. Come on, cut the BS, course we don't expect that! It takes some kids longer to learn things, like division for example. If you learn it at home you're most likely to understand it better (once again, Mr. Matt, I'm not generalizing. I'm not talking about ALL homeschool kids, and ALL public-schooled kids, stop thinking I am, please.). Once you get a grasp, and the little thing in your head goes "click," and you're like "ooohhh! that's why!" Then you won't be moving at a slower pace, you'll actually be moving faster than if you're forced to "learn" division in a shorter amount of time.


Homeschool kids are not stupid (most of em anyway). I myself am finishing highschool a year early.


Another thing, homeschooling isn't always just learning from your mom. There's many online courses you can take at home. Cyber-schools are popping up all over the place. *(in cyber schools you are made to move more at their pace though). I'm in a long distance corrispondence course, my mentor says that some of my works embarasses college students.

And I can't stress enough, we are not socially inept! I have 0 problem talking to people. (When i play hockey for example, before and after the game, I'll just go up to someone and start talking to them...it really is no problem). And we're NOT over sheltered! If anything we're only sheltered from all the drugs, sex, and all the shit that goes on in public schools. We're missing 100% nothing there...

[KillorLive]

I've done both, public and home schooled.

I suggest neither. I ended up dropping out and getting my GED anyway. Private schools all the way for my (unborn but trying hard) children.

[ScOrPY]

Home schooling I would not know about, but going to a school I loved heaps, made a lot of decent friends but also had to deal with stupid losers of kids who bullied. Stupid twats. There ya have it

[Mr. Matt]

But do you attribute their success to the school or the pupil? The government would attribute it to the school and when a pupil does badly they are falling the school, see the inherent hypocrisy?

The government can think whatever the hell the government wants to think. I don't care, frankly. It's always the pupil who is responsible for both their successes and their failures.

With all the homework they get handed (and I can certainly share the sentiment,) " bugger that I'm going to bed now," seems to be the general feeling among my friends remaining at school.

Then you know some friends who don't care enough.

Thats no reason to make it more difficult by attending school though.

The 'difficulties' of school are necessary to your development, as I've said repeatedly only to have you ignore it and twist single sentences you see opportunity in. I don't care how much you say you are not socially inept, and quite frankly we have only your word for that -- I don't believe the word 'inept' was thrown out by anybody, not me anyway. Just uncomfortable around other people. Lacking in as much social contact as you probably should be getting.

But the school is whats being relied upon to apply them, sure if he'd concentrated on his work then he might have acquired an exam or two, but as Mr. matt points out teachers only teach you what you need to pass the exam.

As you intend to take '9 A-levels' you will soon find yourself wishing you had teachers telling you how to write an exam paper. If a student isn't feeling challenged at school, if they give a damn they will find other means.

The majority of their contact is with older people, thus they tend to learn a closer version of that rule set compared to school children, who instead learn to deal with school children.

Yes, and older people, regardless of what you think, rarely treat kids as peers but as... kids. They WILL treat you differently when you're an adult.

Homeschool kids are not stupid

I don't believe anybody said they were.

We're missing 100% nothing there...

You know, what you learn off the TV isn't generally accurate. I never even encountered drugs. And how you think avoiding sex is a good thing I'm unsure.

Another thing, homeschooling isn't always just learning from your mom. There's many online courses you can take at home. Cyber-schools are popping up all over the place. *(in cyber schools you are made to move more at their pace though). I'm in a long distance corrispondence course, my mentor says that some of my works embarasses college students.

Oh really? So you're not just relying on your parents, but the internet now? That's good.
And yes, I can see that what your mentor says is true about your long distance 'correspondence' course. Please, visit the car forum and read some of the threads about 10 year olds who claim to own expensive, rare cars, which I also believe. I'm sorry to be so sarcastic, but you're insulting my limited intelligence now. Either you are lying because you are taking this whole issue far more personally than is necessary, or your mentor is lying to bolster your ego.

[KillorLive]

I just finished typing a (quasi) intelligent post and MAtt goes after the other guy...

I feel left out.

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

Then you know some friends who don't care enough.

4 hours of home work + 6 hours of school, thats 10 hours if I'm not mistaken, admittedly a lot of them are wasted, but still 10 hours of slog a day, even working solid you could start at 9:00 and end at 19:00, plus one hours lunch and another for tea, 30 minutes to 45 to cook tea, so we'll call that 37 minutes, it all adds up you know. Means you could work till 21:47 hours including lunch tea and cooking tea, then you have to be abed by zero hour to be able to get up in time to go to school, leaving you 2 hours and 23 minutes of free time per day, at a time when you'll hardly feel you're best.

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

The 'difficulties' of school are necessary to your development, as I've said repeatedly only to have you ignore it and twist single sentences you see opportunity in. I don't care how much you say you are not socially inept, and quite frankly we have only your word for that -- I don't believe the word 'inept' was thrown out by anybody, not me anyway. Just uncomfortable around other people. Lacking in as much social contact as you probably should be getting.

Not really much point in arguing this, for or against, we can present evidence we do have social contact, you can up the requirements, catch 22, its a fight neither side can win.

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

As you intend to take '9 A-levels' you will soon find yourself wishing you had teachers telling you how to write an exam paper. If a student isn't feeling challenged at school, if they give a damn they will find other means.

Why would I need a teacher to TELL me to write an exam paper? I can tell myself that, without the need for such a crutch.

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

Yes, and older people, regardless of what you think, rarely treat kids as peers but as... kids. They WILL treat you differently when you're an adult.

Doubtless, my point was that the rule set was closer to the final thing, not identical.

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

You know, what you learn off the TV isn't generally accurate. I never even encountered drugs. And how you think avoiding sex is a good thing I'm unsure.

Well it's better than dealing with this smut.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...212734,00.html

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt

And yes, I can see that what your mentor says is true about your long distance 'correspondence' course. Please, visit the car forum and read some of the threads about 10 year olds who claim to own expensive, rare cars, which I also believe. I'm sorry to be so sarcastic, but you're insulting my limited intelligence now. Either you are lying because you are taking this whole issue far more personally than is necessary, or your mentor is lying to bolster your ego.

I suppose you'd like to see some of my city and guild certificates, to make sure I'm not lying as well?

[KillorLive]

Originally Posted by Ged

Well it's better than dealing with this smut.
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_ne...212734,00.html

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT BULL SHIT?

And people DARE say public schools in America are screwed up? Let's teach kids how to suck it properly, they'll use that instead of getting pregnant! IT WILL HAVE ZERO REPROCUSSIONS AND THE KIDS WILL NOT BE PRESSURED INTO BLOWING EVEN THOUGH THEY KNOW HOW TO DT.

It's annoying the stupidity people can have.