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MonsterMuddy February 9th, 2004 07:02 PM

Gaming Addiction/Results
 
This is a big debate in the adult (Non Gamer) world. Whether video games affect how the mind works. Some positive examples, are that it enhances your reaction skills, thus incase a car is about to run staight into you, you can jump out of the way (hopefully) :). Some bad examples is about first person shooters, and that it brings violence into our lives, therefore, making us into bad and stupid people who are going to shoot people. What is your opinion?

D.Sporky! February 9th, 2004 07:18 PM

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I say, unless you're already a messed up person, FPS won't make you go IRL and kill someone. It's crazy to think otherwise...

Mr. Matt February 9th, 2004 07:18 PM

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I agree with the first part, not the second. I have incredible reactions since playing such games - and I've not played any since July last year, really, when my computer broke, so they seem to be long-lasting.

On the violence front, I have never once had an urge to kill people since playing my first violent first-person shooter. I certainly haven't actually killed or attempted to kill anyone. In fact, I've only ever even been in a fight once, which was self-defense on my part (high school - youth politics become more inexplicable than ever, glad to be out of the confusing place).
If anything, violent games provide a release for any sort of pent up anger or inherent violent feelings some people may have in real-life. You meet someone particularly annoying, you can take your frustration out on some computer pixels. Without such a release the less self-controlled people may resort to punching walls (that's reserved for when your computer breaks, lol) or even people. Now they have an outlet.

There have always been muderers, always been violent people. Wife beaters. Rapists. Even the odd nutter in a religious cult that requires some sort of sacrifice. It seems like a new phemonemon because newspapers have only been around in the last 100-200 years reporting them - if computer games explain the recent crimes, what explains spurts of violent crime before computers were even invented? Computer games, as movies before them, have become the excuse.
I think that if ever there was a case of someone actually being directly influenced and driven to kill someone because of a computer game, that they must be incredibly weak-minded, unrestrained and susceptable to suggestion anyway, and something would have triggered such activities if computer games hadn't been around.
Scape-goats, that's the only role computer games play in crime, so far as I can see.

EDIT = Welcome to GF, BTW, Muddy; I've never seen you before anyway :thumbsup:

MonsterMuddy February 9th, 2004 07:47 PM

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thanks for welcoming today, i mostly kinda hung out around the Call of Duty forums, I agree with you about the fps as a oulet for excuses, what about the internet, where anything can be found (by thoroughly searching) like how to make a home-made bomb and stuff.

ScOrPY February 9th, 2004 08:01 PM

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If a car is coming at you, all the skill from FPS will mean you can strafe out of the way.

Nusentinsaino February 9th, 2004 08:11 PM

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Gaming can improve your reflexs... For example: You play GTA Vice City everyday for a year... and in real life you see a truck flipping over towards you.. Normally you would do nothing but, due to the gaming, it makes u reflx really fast and u can turn the steering wheel outta the way (I read this in Eletronic Gaming Monthly, its a true story)

AegenemmnoN February 9th, 2004 08:49 PM

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god, i just got back from playin BF1942, and man, i wanna KILL SOMEONE!!!!

j/k :lol:

my reflectses are pretty good, maily due to FPS.... but on the killing thing, you have to be really stupid to let a video game infleunce you do do anything you see in it....

Nkenobi February 9th, 2004 08:56 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt
I agree with the first part, not the second. I have incredible reactions since playing such games - and I've not played any since July last year, really, when my computer broke, so they seem to be long-lasting.

On the violence front, I have never once had an urge to kill people since playing my first violent first-person shooter. I certainly haven't actually killed or attempted to kill anyone. In fact, I've only ever even been in a fight once, which was self-defense on my part (high school - youth politics become more inexplicable than ever, glad to be out of the confusing place).
If anything, violent games provide a release for any sort of pent up anger or inherent violent feelings some people may have in real-life. You meet someone particularly annoying, you can take your frustration out on some computer pixels. Without such a release the less self-controlled people may resort to punching walls (that's reserved for when your computer breaks, lol) or even people. Now they have an outlet.

There have always been muderers, always been violent people. Wife beaters. Rapists. Even the odd nutter in a religious cult that requires some sort of sacrifice. It seems like a new phemonemon because newspapers have only been around in the last 100-200 years reporting them - if computer games explain the recent crimes, what explains spurts of violent crime before computers were even invented? Computer games, as movies before them, have become the excuse.
I think that if ever there was a case of someone actually being directly influenced and driven to kill someone because of a computer game, that they must be incredibly weak-minded, unrestrained and susceptable to suggestion anyway, and something would have triggered such activities if computer games hadn't been around.
Scape-goats, that's the only role computer games play in crime, so far as I can see.

EDIT = Welcome to GF, BTW, Muddy; I've never seen you before anyway :thumbsup:

yes, I agree with matt.

my reflexes are fast.
and i drive really well in reality, cause i'v already had so much practice!:)

Mr. Matt February 9th, 2004 09:01 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony
and in real life you see a truck flipping over towards you.. Normally you would do nothing but

'Oh look dear, there's a lorry flipping over. It'll hit us.'
'Oh yes. Best keep going anyway, dear, we don't want to be late.'

:D

Yeah, Monster, the internet is a whole different kettle of fish. Besides the new lease of life it gives paedophiles (all those illegal sites they keep closing down), you've got all sorts of weirdos posting information and getting information. And they reckon that if that German cannibal hadn't been able to use the internet to find a willing victim, he may never have done it. Same goes for paedophiles, if they couldn't hide in chat rooms as 14 year olds, they might never be able to do the things they do. It's not just a congregation point for gun nuts, bomb builders and a method of international communication for terrorists, it's a breeding ground for sickos who hurt people.
They say the internet is the largest depository of human information. Well some information is best left where it came from - sickos' heads. There are so many negatives about the internet that one wonders whether the positives are worth keeping it alive for...

CorT February 9th, 2004 11:26 PM

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Okay, I agree w/everything matt said :p

He can talk for me now, hes my t00l :P




...not really...

Nusentinsaino February 10th, 2004 07:47 AM

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Yeah Matt is the smartest guy in GF, and what i meant by the truck flipping over towards you, You would prolly be in shock and do nothing.

Nemmerle February 10th, 2004 07:59 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt
There are so many negatives about the internet that one wonders whether the positives are worth keeping it alive for...

Only by the free exchange of information can we hope to improve our futures.
Eventually with sufficient advancement the Internet might become a way to initiate true democratic communism (I think that what its called anyway.) By giving everyone a fair vote.

As for the internet being used for bad things at least its out where people can see it , better the evil you know

Mr. Matt February 10th, 2004 05:28 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony
Yeah Matt is the smartest guy in GF

Hahaha! Flattery will get you everywhere, however misguided and inaccurate ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tony
and what i meant by the truck flipping over towards you, You would prolly be in shock and do nothing

Heh, I know, I was teasin' ya ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ged
initiate true democratic communism

Not sure I agree with the communism part, but you're right, it could certainly be used for fair democracy the world-over. Heck, with younger generations chatting casually to people from every country under the sun, so-called enemies or not, the internet could bring global world peace faster than ever imagined. How can you declare an entire country evil when you've made friends with some of them over the net? I reckon that'll be significant in the new, internet-bred generation of politicians.
And it's certainly an easy-to-use outlet for free-speech.
I guess you're right. Every new technology, law, service etc is abused by a minority (though in the case of the Internet, it's a worryingly large minority). The net has a lot of unrealised potential, in the long-term, that should be left to fester and grow. Tis more than just a global porn network and a new place for commercials!

Mihail February 10th, 2004 06:19 PM

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I do think it helps with the hand eye coordination

Nkenobi February 10th, 2004 06:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mihail
I do think it helps with the hand eye coordination

ofcorse!

MonsterMuddy February 10th, 2004 06:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mihail
I do think it helps with the hand eye coordination

Could u explain how? I know tons of people who have horrible hand eye cordination who play video games. Or do u mean mouse and computer coordination? :)

Nkenobi February 10th, 2004 06:24 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMuddy
Could u explain how? I know tons of people who have horrible hand eye cordination who play video games. Or do u mean mouse and computer coordination? :)

those are just clumsy people.!:)

l

AegenemmnoN February 10th, 2004 06:38 PM

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well, it depends, i have been playing video games for 13 years, i have fast reflectses, i can aim guns amazingly well, and i can usually learn a game on any console without knowin what the buttons do, within 15 minutes, im playing it with no problems.

but it really depends on what game and how long i have played it.

ive found, that i can learn anything electronic fairly fast... which is a benefit.

man.... i need a life... oh wait, i have one ;)

Nkenobi February 10th, 2004 06:40 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AegenemmnoN
well, it depends, i have been playing video games for 13 years, i have fast reflectses, i can aim guns amazingly well, and i can usually learn a game on any console without knowin what the buttons do, within 15 minutes, im playing it with no problems.

but it really depends on what game and how long i have played it.

ive found, that i can learn anything electronic fairly fast... which is a benefit.

man.... i need a life... oh wait, i have one ;)

same here man...;)

Mr. Matt February 10th, 2004 07:36 PM

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Strategy games are very useful. Apart from getting lots of practise with the mouse (something I doubt anyone here would have problems with in the first place, lol), you learn to think on a larger level. And you have a much better understanding of what's being talked about when the news discusses military strategies employed in a certain war... you've actually done it :smokin:

Nkenobi February 10th, 2004 07:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt
Strategy games are very useful. Apart from getting lots of practise with the mouse (something I doubt anyone here would have problems with in the first place, lol), you learn to think on a larger level. And you have a much better understanding of what's being talked about when the news discusses military strategies employed in a certain war... you've actually done it :smokin:

Indeed!:)

I can plan my battles much better now then when I started.
just what unit and were can make you win almost any battle.:)

ScOrPY February 10th, 2004 07:41 PM

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Racing games like NFS helps driving and evading the cops :)

AegenemmnoN February 10th, 2004 07:41 PM

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LMAO! i agree matt! :D

Nkenobi February 10th, 2004 07:42 PM

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... some game arn't for the best.

we don't want criminals to learn do drive and shoot.. :sigh: can never win..

ScOrPY February 10th, 2004 07:45 PM

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games like BF help your reflexes and teach you to drive aircraft carriers ")

Mr. Matt February 10th, 2004 07:45 PM

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Yeah. I can plan a Rhino Gambit, a duel amphibious and aerial assault, a counter-attack for cavalry or a spearhead strike without a second thought, lol - I reckon I'll put that on my CV ;)

DragonNick February 10th, 2004 07:46 PM

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i really dont believe one can be addicted to video games. my dad thought i was, but only cuz i played them all teh time. i had nothing else to do. o well.

my reactions are gosu now. it was so cool this one time i was running and around teh corner right in front of me is this biker. i jump out of the way and hes all like "wow dude that was awesome! i almost hit u!" yea, pretty cool to use real reflexes.

Nkenobi February 10th, 2004 07:52 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonNick
i really dont believe one can be addicted to video games. my dad thought i was, but only cuz i played them all teh time. i had nothing else to do. o well.

my reactions are gosu now. it was so cool this one time i was running and around teh corner right in front of me is this biker. i jump out of the way and hes all like "wow dude that was awesome! i almost hit u!" yea, pretty cool to use real reflexes.

lots of people coment me on my reflecsise.

my brother when to punch me, and my hand sorta just shot out and cought his...

MonsterMuddy February 10th, 2004 08:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonNick
i really dont believe one can be addicted to video games. my dad thought i was, but only cuz i played them all teh time. i had nothing else to do. o well.

my reactions are gosu now. it was so cool this one time i was running and around teh corner right in front of me is this biker. i jump out of the way and hes all like "wow dude that was awesome! i almost hit u!" yea, pretty cool to use real reflexes.

Most signs of of addiction is that you play to mucha dn everything else is boring. Have u ever gotten mad at someone for interupting when you were playing a game?

Nkenobi February 11th, 2004 08:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by DragonNick
i really dont believe one can be addicted to video games. my dad thought i was, but only cuz i played them all teh time. i had nothing else to do. o well.

my reactions are gosu now. it was so cool this one time i was running and around teh corner right in front of me is this biker. i jump out of the way and hes all like "wow dude that was awesome! i almost hit u!" yea, pretty cool to use real reflexes.


if you wern't addicted, yous read a book when you were bord:)

Luetchyboy February 11th, 2004 02:53 PM

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no more spam plz talking bout how right matt is, i'm sure his head is big enough as it is :p. But stratergy games are good for children because it teaches them the value of thinking out stuff. Different people react differently, some people go into a state of shock while others react. have a gander at http://www.fetchfido.co.uk/games/rea...ction_test.htm
to check your reaction time...

Nkenobi February 11th, 2004 04:17 PM

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My reaction time was just under 0.2

THATS FAST!:)

Nemmerle February 11th, 2004 04:29 PM

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I dont think my years of computer gaming have helped my reaction time 0.265
But then again I can take a gurila force and deploy them in any enviroment urban to jungle against a technologically superior foe
(all i need is a map in isometric perspective and a pause time function........)

Nkenobi February 11th, 2004 04:31 PM

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Quote:

(all i need is a map in isometric perspective and a pause time function........)
:lol:

MonsterMuddy February 11th, 2004 04:45 PM

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.24 i dontthink that gaming helped my raction time for that, I have been playing those games (reaction games for 3 years now but different type) and i have never improved.

Mr. Matt February 11th, 2004 05:03 PM

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I got 0.208... screen dump attached as proof ;)
As it says on the site, your reactions are improved with practise, as anything else. You'll probably find that your reactions have improved in general, even if you don't realise it. Otherwise... you might not have played games very often or something.

Nkenobi February 11th, 2004 05:09 PM

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mine was 0.198

a little faster than matt...

thats why I said 0.2

close enouf, right?

TheShad0w March 3rd, 2004 01:17 PM

Re: Gaming Addiction/Results
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt
I agree with the first part, not the second. I have incredible reactions since playing such games - and I've not played any since July last year, really, when my computer broke, so they seem to be long-lasting.

On the violence front, I have never once had an urge to kill people since playing my first violent first-person shooter. I certainly haven't actually killed or attempted to kill anyone. In fact, I've only ever even been in a fight once, which was self-defense on my part (high school - youth politics become more inexplicable than ever, glad to be out of the confusing place).
If anything, violent games provide a release for any sort of pent up anger or inherent violent feelings some people may have in real-life. You meet someone particularly annoying, you can take your frustration out on some computer pixels. Without such a release the less self-controlled people may resort to punching walls (that's reserved for when your computer breaks, lol) or even people. Now they have an outlet.

There have always been muderers, always been violent people. Wife beaters. Rapists. Even the odd nutter in a religious cult that requires some sort of sacrifice. It seems like a new phemonemon because newspapers have only been around in the last 100-200 years reporting them - if computer games explain the recent crimes, what explains spurts of violent crime before computers were even invented? Computer games, as movies before them, have become the excuse.
I think that if ever there was a case of someone actually being directly influenced and driven to kill someone because of a computer game, that they must be incredibly weak-minded, unrestrained and susceptable to suggestion anyway, and something would have triggered such activities if computer games hadn't been around.
Scape-goats, that's the only role computer games play in crime, so far as I can see.

EDIT = Welcome to GF, BTW, Muddy; I've never seen you before anyway :thumbsup:

No, it doesn't usually cause killing. But it usually does make them result to violent ways if you grow up around violent games.

And computer games may get you so mad you screw up the computer because someone's there acting real stupid and gay and you can't take it anymore.

TheShad0w March 3rd, 2004 01:21 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by MonsterMuddy
thanks for welcoming today, i mostly kinda hung out around the Call of Duty forums, I agree with you about the fps as a oulet for excuses, what about the internet, where anything can be found (by thoroughly searching) like how to make a home-made bomb and stuff.

:agreed

TheShad0w March 3rd, 2004 01:22 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by AegenemmnoN
god, i just got back from playin BF1942, and man, i wanna KILL SOMEONE!!!!

j/k :lol:

my reflectses are pretty good, maily due to FPS.... but on the killing thing, you have to be really stupid to let a video game infleunce you do do anything you see in it....

No you don't, violent TV and Games are hurting (Emotionally?) young kids everyday.

TheShad0w March 3rd, 2004 01:23 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by TonyMontana
Yeah Matt is the smartest guy in GF,

:uhm: [EDIT]

and what i meant by the truck flipping over towards you, You would prolly be in shock and do nothing.

:agreed

A video game is VERY different from real life.


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