Lost all respect for this man now...

[Jeff]

Here we go.. let the childish argument begin

DEMOCRATS ARE BETTER!!

NUH UHH!! REPUBLICANS ARE!!

this is why I hate politics.. it's when grown adults act like 5 year olds

[SuperDumbGuy]

hm.. i wont be in the politics when i grow up

[bagabondo]

well... it's one way to get more votes, (tough elections can be tricked)
I don't really care avàbout bush, i'm not in U.S.... won't Quebec ever be freed?

[SuperDumbGuy]

rofl.. the EXACT same thing happened to me

[mEkImIrMe]

To tell you the truth, Democrats and Republicans both suck, Everyone should convert to nOeism, which means that no one gives a crap about who the hell is president and everyone can live in peace and harmony on till the communists attack.

[Sarrow]

~Moving to the Pub forum~

[Giovanni Fascisti]

So far for the majority of the arguments I have seen, the primus motor have avariciousness and possessiveness.

Be that as it may, but I strongly deplore the fact that mammon is considered more important than human beings.


Moving on,

Mister AegenemmnoN would prefer to deprive them of all rights, and Mister NiteStryker would like to deny them free healthcare - “They don’t deserve it”.

Having said that, I sincerely hope that neither of you will ever be forced to live like these illegal immigrants, loathed and detested by the more fortunate. It is a pitiful life on the very bottom of the social hierarchy… Imagine for a second to be in their place…



Regards,
Giovanni

…or would that be... some illegal loving guy?

[AzH]

And now for the British PoV:

We have a long history of immigration to our nation, the major period of which was after the Second World War when, short on Man Power, we threw open our borders to Commonwealth Citizens. The United Kingdom received an influx of Asian and Afro-Caribbean immigrants in the post war years. We needed labour; the immigrants needed jobs and were enticed by the promise of equal rights, free health care, employment, overall, a better standard of living.

They came to our nation, and became an inherent part of our culture. I have Asian friends; my extended family is liked to Jamaica. Or course, we still have race issues. There are still ignorant fuckers (is chose that word very carefully) who abuse and discriminate against these immigrants, many of whom are third or fourth generation now and have never even been to the place their ancestors were born. But in the main we get along as well one might expect. We have laws (the Race Discrimination Act) which protect the rights of all to live without fear of discrimination, victimisation or harassment on the grounds of race, colour, nationality, ethnic and national origin.

Now we have a new immigration boom occurring as we speak. Britain received almost one in five of asylum applicants in the Western world in 2002. There are no figures for the illegal immigration which is occurring. Our tiny nation is being over-burdened by immigrants who see our country as a place where they will get; a) National Health Service. B) Welfare State. At one stage, due to the French cleverly placing their main immigration camp at the mouth of the Channel Tunnel, we had hundreds of illegal immigrants arriving each day. They would board trucks or ships, often in cramped, terrible conditions, such was their desperation to reach Britain.

Now I’m worried. Our nation is over-populated as it is, and house prices are soaring. Where are these people going to go? We (yes me and my fellow tax-payers) have to provide food, clothing, healthcare, education, housing etc for people who arrived here under false pretences or illegally. International Asylum Law states that a refugee must stop at the first country they come to. So, if the refugee reaches Germany, they stay in Germany. France, they stay in France. Due to our now idiotic border control policy within the European Union, anyone who arrives in the E.U. has the freedom to go wherever they wish within the E.U.. Soon, the E.U. will be welcoming 10 new member states from the old Eastern Bloc. Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Cyprus and Malta will all be official members of the European Union on May 1, 2004. I pity our nation. There is no other nation with a Welfare State system which rivals our own. We are going to become a target for hundreds of thousands of ‘legal’ immigrants which we cannot support. This is why race crime is increasing. The morons amongst us see one immigrant the same as another and all races, creeds and colours linked with immigration are becoming targets. We have recently suffered Race Riots in Oldham and Bradford (large Asian population centres) and Oldham now have a National Front councillor. Things are getting a right royal screw over in the UK right now, and things will only get worse.

The most annoying, frustrating thing is: there is nothing our Government can do about it. We have pretty much signed away our rights to govern our own nation to unelected ‘Eurocrats’ in Brussels. It is time for us to take back control of our Nation and the way we run it. I have never advocated joining the E.U. The single currency has done for harm than good to those who joined. We have more in common with America, and I would rather follow America all the way to hell and back then become a ‘European’ in the modern sense.

[at0mic fly]

Originally Posted by NiteStryker

Ok, up to now, I have had no problem whatsoever with President Bush. I thought he was a decent president (better than clinton), and I thought he was doin well for himself. I supported the war, etc etc, but now, ive lost all respect for the man. Why?

He would like to grant amnesty to illegal immigrants

Well, I think for once, if this passes, I will hope for a democrat to win the Presidential election in November...

Yes, I sorta hate Republicians, and Clinton *my mo said this*That we had more money new bills helping schools ETC; sorry that Bill can't run anoter term or so......

[DragonNick]

Originally Posted by n0e

I doubt it will.

I am somewhat in favor of this bill. But I am equally against it.

The city I live in has immigrants from a US Territory that shall remain nameless, that do nothing but run to welfare and collect money from the government. They don't have jobs, and refuse to get them. They go into the free clinics acting as if they have no money, yet use cell phones and drive nicer cars than I have. (I know this since my mother is a nurse in a hospital) For them, they should be sent the fuck back where they came from.

On the other hand, there are a smaller portion of people that came to this country, and they work... hard. When I lived in Illinois, there is a good sized portion of mexicans that live there. They are the hardest working people I've ever seen. They deserve to be granted amnesty.

I think there should be an attachment to the bill giving amnesty to people illegal immigrants that do indeed work for their money and not sit on their lazy ass and do jack squat. If that happens, I would love to see it passed. If not, he'll never be re-elected. Perhaps this is some ploy to get them to vote for him come voting time. I wouldn't put it past him to stack the deck.

uhhh, how many territories do we actually have? since there are immigrants coming from it, im guessing puerto rico. but really, how many?