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ErDb33rjOgHuRt April 22nd, 2003 06:45 AM

Double-bladed Saber only for sith?!
 
I was wondering why the Double-bladed saber only a weapon for the sith is. (As it says in the starwars databank) Does it take some special training or can only the dark side control a double saber properly?? Since the jedi can have 2 light saber at one time
(AOTC - arena) why can't they control a double-bladed saber??

Bit Cloud April 22nd, 2003 08:35 AM

... im not sure ... but i mean a Jedi should be able to lol just with Green, Blue, Purple, Yellow, anything NOT sith colors for the blades .... hmmm they should lol!

RaSiN_HeCk April 22nd, 2003 09:57 AM

if you think about it, double bladed staffs look and are a offisive weapon, now Jedis are protectors of peace, not bad ass brawlers

ErDb33rjOgHuRt April 22nd, 2003 10:38 AM

Hmmm, thats opinion. To me the double bladed saber is as deadly as a normal light saber is and doesn't look more offensive... Also jedi are allowed to have 2 lightsabers at one time wouldn't that be 'offensive', too?

AutoCept April 22nd, 2003 11:21 AM

No, while double lightsabers are not normally used by jedi, as far as I know there is no restriction on not building them.
And, even if there was, it certianly does not exsist in the timeframe which JK3 is set.

ErDb33rjOgHuRt April 22nd, 2003 12:42 PM

The databank on star wars says that it is a weapon of the sith. it even has its own entry 'sith lightsaber' so i think only sith are allowed to use it. A restriction exsists.

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Starwars databank:
The Sith lightsaber is basically two lightsabers end-to-end. It can be selectively used with only one end ignited.
Maybe jk3 is wrong for that part?? Maybe that restriction doesn't exsists anymore after the jedi council was destroyed.

Darth_Hamster April 22nd, 2003 12:53 PM

i dunno
 
are you all talkin about JK3??? cause i didnt think a lot of info was out about it, also could u tell me a website where i could find info on it? and, it does make sense that only sith can use 2 bladed sabers, seeing as Xar Kunn made the first 2 bladed saber and he was a sith. It would seem evil for a jedi knight to use a weapon made by evil.

Noid_Hex April 22nd, 2003 01:02 PM

I think it's because the Sith are outnumbered by the Jedi in the movies, so they would carry an extra blade to fight off any extra numbers that they may face. (Darth Maul verses two Jedi.)

ErDb33rjOgHuRt April 22nd, 2003 01:51 PM

Yeah thats a good reason...but if the jedi would use the double bladed sabers, too they would be even better in protecting the peace. Just because the sith are outnumbered they 'reserved' the double bladed saber?

Gael Amastacia April 22nd, 2003 03:04 PM

in Jedi Academy you'll be able to use a doublesaber no matter what alignment you have.

Is THAT what everybody's calling JK3...?

EDIT: Nevermind, I answered my own question. I hadn't quite looked into this enough. All I knew was that they were making another game called Jedi Academy.

RaSiN_HeCk April 22nd, 2003 03:19 PM

they look more offense because there's two freaking blades, you see a guy with a axe this one blade, you see a lumber jack, you see a guy with a two bladed axe you see a Barbarian!

kind a see what I mean? Jedi's don't need the extra blade to do their job so why both building a double bladed saber orthat becoming curputed and vile.

Gael Amastacia April 22nd, 2003 03:26 PM

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Originally posted by RaSiN_HeCk
they look more offense because there's two freaking blades, you see a guy with a axe this one blade, you see a lumber jack, you see a guy with a two bladed axe you see a Barbarian!

kind a see what I mean? Jedi's don't need the extra blade to do their job so why both building a double bladed saber orthat becoming curputed and vile.

I dunno, maybe some Jedi would think it's cool. Dude, who cares? The point is you'll be able to in the game, whether you're Sith or Jedi. They're taking what's called "artistic license" with the story for the sake of the game. As long as it at least resembles Star Wars, it's all good. They can do whatever they want.

RaSiN_HeCk April 22nd, 2003 04:49 PM

a Jedi wanting to look cool would be foolish and arrogant, which I guess is the scenic route to the dark side, so they wouldn't be a Jedi now would they?

I rest my case!

Gael Amastacia April 22nd, 2003 06:25 PM

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Originally posted by RaSiN_HeCk
a Jedi wanting to look cool would be foolish and arrogant, which I guess is the scenic route to the dark side, so they wouldn't be a Jedi now would they?

I rest my case!

Good god, I wasn't serious! Look, if a Jedi wanted a doublesaber, it's his choice. If he doesn't, then fine.

Who cares if it's not exactly right? It's a GAME. If they make the doublesaber anymore powerful than a single saber, then if they only made it available to Sith players, it would be unfair, even if they let Jedi use two sabers.

Chill out, man.

Yellow April 22nd, 2003 07:15 PM

u see in KotR theres double saber and in JA there'll be double sabers. my only thought is y the heck lucasarts would publish that on an official site and then make 2 games contradicting their statements. so i think since its in a game it doesnt matter. (games are better than words on a site).

man this has the feel of an old WJTW thread :lol:

ErDb33rjOgHuRt April 23rd, 2003 06:23 AM

Ok guys we got kinda off topic here... i am not talking about the game, rather about the movies or star wars in generals...

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a Jedi wanting to look cool would be foolish and arrogant, which I
guess is the scenic route to the dark side, so they wouldn't be a Jedi now would they?
Sure but why does the way Obi-wan slaughters that acklay (dunno how its spelled) looks pretty cool doesn't it?? So he's not a jedi??
A double saber for a jedi wouldn't be ment to look cool, but he would be better in protecting the peace.

Yellow April 23rd, 2003 07:27 PM

oh well i bet doing that stylish finishing move was for a reason. like maybe he blocked a few lightspeed laser blast while he was swinging his saber around. :lol:. well lucasarts would prollie want to folow its stements and i think that jedi might used to have used dbs bu when sith came about they prollie set the precedent that sith use dbs

ErDb33rjOgHuRt April 24th, 2003 08:50 AM

okay i don't see any lasers being blocked by him. lucas did it so it looks cool buts thats wrong, cuz jedi aren't supposed to try to look cool. You cannot say "oh yeah only sith use double sabers" why?? there shouldn't be any restriction like that. because they can use it!!!

i'm getting too much into this

Yellow April 24th, 2003 07:26 PM

agreed :agreed:. no restrictions

ErDb33rjOgHuRt April 25th, 2003 09:39 AM

we should write Lucas so he changes his script. Obi-Wan should rule with a double bladed saber and own some ass.

Yellow April 25th, 2003 08:15 PM

or yoda man that would kick. dooku wouldnt have goten anywhere man

ErDb33rjOgHuRt April 26th, 2003 06:32 AM

True true. He already was all over the place with a normal saber, imagine with a double saber? man he would totally flip out. :D

RaSiN_HeCk April 26th, 2003 10:58 AM

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Sure but why does the way Obi-wan slaughters that acklay (dunno how its spelled) looks pretty cool doesn't it?? So he's not a jedi??
A double saber for a jedi wouldn't be ment to look cool, but he would be better in protecting the peace.
the WANTING to look cool not being cool is arrogant, and I suppose the sabers take twice as long to create so why bother if you're just gonna end up killing people(unjedi like aint it?) yeah I saw Luke and Obi-Wan kill some people, but that's because they had too(some times the killed when they didn't have to because it would just look badass in a movie)

ErDb33rjOgHuRt April 26th, 2003 03:21 PM

Yeah its all for the movies and the ppl. They have to make it cool so ppl go and watch it again and buy the dvd.

Yellow April 26th, 2003 07:49 PM

or a dual saber :agreed:

looking kool would just be in the process of taking the most power/speed efficeint way to solving the problem. atherwise how would lucas be so rich :lol:

WJTW April 26th, 2003 08:42 PM

Finally someone brought this up. I've mentioned this before in the Jk3 forums.
Double-bladed sabres are Sith only. I believe the official site also stated that DB-sabres were reserved for training purposes by the Jedi.
Remember, Jk3 is way in the future based on the Star Wars timeline. Double-bladed sabre wielding might be taught to the students because of the increasing Sith threat. Having Darth Maul around served as a warning already. it is probable that Db-sabre Masters might not have existed in the Jedi until Jedi Academy/JK3's time.
And KotOR happened 4000 years prior to TPM, and changes might have occured. But isn't it a little too fast for them to get a DB-sabre? When did Exar Kun create the Db-Sabre?
But I think KotOR has a double sabre, not a double-bladed one, as an option.

But still, unless JK3 give tell us the reason for the character getting a DB-sabre, then it really isn't faithful to the movies, is it not?

WJTW

Gael Amastacia April 27th, 2003 07:49 PM

It doesn't HAVE to be faithful to the movies. The games are only based on the Star Wars universe. There's this little thing called artistic license that lets the creators take it in whatever direction they want, as long as it still resembles Star Wars.

Yellow April 27th, 2003 08:20 PM

its a lucasarts production of course its going to be 'faithful' to the movies. KotR has DBS ive been to the site alot. and it cant be that far in the future cuz kyles still alive and thriving.

maybe theyll tell us in the game

Gael Amastacia April 27th, 2003 09:08 PM

LucasArts has pretty much nothing to do with LucasFilm . The only relationship they have is they're owned by the same people, and they turn out more or less the same stuff. Therefore, LucasArts doesn't HAVE to make things exactly in kind with the Star Wars movies.

MegaPowerNinja April 27th, 2003 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by WJTW
Finally someone brought this up. I've mentioned this before in the Jk3 forums.
Double-bladed sabres are Sith only. I believe the official site also stated that DB-sabres were reserved for training purposes by the Jedi.
Remember, Jk3 is way in the future based on the Star Wars timeline. Double-bladed sabre wielding might be taught to the students because of the increasing Sith threat. Having Darth Maul around served as a warning already. it is probable that Db-sabre Masters might not have existed in the Jedi until Jedi Academy/JK3's time.
And KotOR happened 4000 years prior to TPM, and changes might have occured. But isn't it a little too fast for them to get a DB-sabre? When did Exar Kun create the Db-Sabre?
But I think KotOR has a double sabre, not a double-bladed one, as an option.

But still, unless JK3 give tell us the reason for the character getting a DB-sabre, then it really isn't faithful to the movies, is it not?

WJTW

....... I give up on this species. You geeks argue over the stupidest things. First and Last post in this thread.

ErDb33rjOgHuRt April 28th, 2003 06:43 AM

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....... I give up on this species. You geeks argue over the stupidest things. First and Last post in this thread.
LoL i'm sorry for you man, if you don't like it simply don't post here or don't even open the threads.

Gael Amastacia April 28th, 2003 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by ErDb33rjOgHuRt
LoL i'm sorry for you man, if you don't like it simply don't post here or don't even open the threads.
He's still right. You people can't accept the fact that it's a GAME and it doesn't matter what happens in it.

ErDb33rjOgHuRt April 28th, 2003 06:08 PM

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He's still right. You people can't accept the fact that it's a GAME and it doesn't matter what happens in it.
ok well first of all this thread wasn't about the game. if would have read my first post than you would now that i meant the movies. And it does matter what happened in a game. why would we play games if it doesn't matter what they are about. and as i already said if you're not into this stuff don't fugging (excuse my language) bother to come here and post.

make a new thread if you want to discuss if we should 'discuss' topics like that.

Yellow April 28th, 2003 07:25 PM

this is gunna be a flame soon enough. stop arguing the validity of the question and start arguing the question. now wut was the subject :lol:

Gael Amastacia April 28th, 2003 09:48 PM

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Originally posted by ErDb33rjOgHuRt
ok well first of all this thread wasn't about the game. if would have read my first post than you would now that i meant the movies. And it does matter what happened in a game. why would we play games if it doesn't matter what they are about. and as i already said if you're not into this stuff don't fugging (excuse my language) bother to come here and post.

make a new thread if you want to discuss if we should 'discuss' topics like that.

He's still right. And if the game didn't matter, then why even bring it up in the first place?

Stop being such a fanboy.

ErDb33rjOgHuRt April 29th, 2003 08:22 AM

The subject was, why the sith only can use the double saber. why would there be any restriction like that. does it take some special force to control them.

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He's still right. And if the game didn't matter, then why even bring it up in the first place?
...

Gael Amastacia April 29th, 2003 08:47 AM

Whatever, fanboy. I'm through trying to get you to listen.

ErDb33rjOgHuRt April 29th, 2003 10:12 AM

We just like to discuss certain aspects of the movies and try to understand them better is that soooo bad??? do you think thats wrong??if you think its ridiculous it doesn't mean everybody else thinks so.

i am sure i don't like some stuff that you do. so what i don't bother you because of that.

Yellow April 29th, 2003 07:20 PM

im glad the idiots gone. now that is bad behavior lets see him get a behavious warning huh.

well i think it was an art that was lost by the jedi long-o time ago. as KotR illustrates and now its been ressurected by Luke in the new days as illustrated in JA

RaSiN_HeCk April 29th, 2003 07:44 PM

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The subject was, why the sith only can use the double saber. why would there be any restriction like that. does it take some special force to control them.
I think Darth Maul had one becvause Zarbraks have uber Agility so it'd be pretty easy for himto learn how to use it, Force powers miht help

WJTW April 30th, 2003 07:19 AM

Gael, enough of this. If you don't know the context for a particular thread, don't just jump in and criticise what I've said. Clearly you're not at all happy I've managed to point those things out (the thing about the db-sabres.). Then you post and say we have nothing better to do.

And it is exactly because it is Star Wars it has to be faithful to the movies. Have you ever heard of the word 'canon'? I can't just go around and suddenly change facts (facts... in the SW universe, that is.) and expect that to be accepted. That is why book writers for EU have to be very careful not to contradict anything in the movies! They're THAT important.

Never mind...

What I was saying is, JK3 happens quite in the future of Star Wars timeline. Luke has restarted the Jedi Council. Therefore, he can add in his own rules. Given the Sith and Dark jedi threats, it is wise to allow students with great duelling potential to use the db-sabre.
And for KotOR, it is 4000 years ago. The rules might've been different then. The Sith and Dark jedi were plenty, and Db-sabres had to be used for things other than training at that timeline.
Probably even something your character's created, unknowingly resembling a Sith weapon. Notice the colours are not red, so, it can't be stolen from a dead Dark jedi or Sith.
But the Official site did say the db-sabre to be a Sith Lightsabre, though.

WJTW

Gael Amastacia April 30th, 2003 08:07 AM

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Originally posted by Yellow
im glad the idiots gone. now that is bad behavior lets see him get a behavious warning huh.

well i think it was an art that was lost by the jedi long-o time ago. as KotR illustrates and now its been ressurected by Luke in the new days as illustrated in JA

Idiot? I'm not the one arguing over something this stupid. Take it to your LucasFilm fanboy forums.

ErDb33rjOgHuRt April 30th, 2003 12:02 PM

Its stupid in your eyes. But for some people its fun. Please do us all a favor and just leave this thread alone.

Yellow April 30th, 2003 07:46 PM

alright were done critizing. and hey if ur so cought up in us being so stupid and being 'fanboys' (is that a word) y would u chance being seen with us 'fanboys'. and if i might ask wut game are u on the forums for anyways.

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What I was saying is, JK3 happens quite in the future of Star Wars timeline. Luke has restarted the Jedi Council. Therefore, he can add in his own rules. Given the Sith and Dark jedi threats, it is wise to allow students with great duelling potential to use the db-sabre.
And for KotOR, it is 4000 years ago. The rules might've been different then. The Sith and Dark jedi were plenty, and Db-sabres had to be used for things other than training at that timeline.
Probably even something your character's created, unknowingly resembling a Sith weapon. Notice the colours are not red, so, it can't be stolen from a dead Dark jedi or Sith.
But the Official site did say the db-sabre to be a Sith Lightsabre, though.
its wut ive been saying thanx for backin me

WJTW April 30th, 2003 10:19 PM

I've mentioned that earlier in the JK3 threads way before. It was I who first mentioned this Sith lightsabre for Jedi in JK3 business. Didn't know people would find this 'stupid', though.

If we were fanboys, what are you? We are the intelligent ones, actually... because we know we reply to this thread because we're interested. But Gael? Hehehe.... I'm laughing at this person from 'Hell' (check his 'Location:'.).

I see, Gael is pretending to dislike this thread. Maybe he might even be using this material to start his OWN thread, and then using our theories as his. Just a guess. Otherwise, why would he be here again and again. Ok, maybe not stealing our theories... that's a little too far-fetched. :D
Gael, stop pretending you dislike this thread. If you dislike it, why do we still see posts from you?

WJTW

*EDIT* PS: How come this thread got a rating and all the other threads didn't have any (including mine. :D)

ErDb33rjOgHuRt May 1st, 2003 06:39 AM

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*EDIT* PS: How come this thread got a rating and all the other threads didn't have any (including mine. )
Because my threads own!!! lol jk :rolleyes: :rolleyes: i don't know somebody rated it, it wasn't me. next i'll reply to one of your threads i shall grade it.

AutoCept May 1st, 2003 11:21 AM

Not aimed at anyone in paticlar, but they know it's just fantasy, they can still have fun aruging over it, if you don't like it, no need to enter the thread.

Yellow May 1st, 2003 07:52 PM

uh yea just fantasy. but fun fantasy u know like it could eventually hapen if we all become force sensitive and have a huge tech jump and meet a wide variety of aliens on distant galaxies and they just hapen to call our planet coroscant :D

ErDb33rjOgHuRt May 2nd, 2003 06:30 PM

Hmm i don't know about the force sensitive, but i believe there is some other intellegent lifeform out there. it would be to arogant to think that we're the only ones in the whole super huge (still expanding) universe.

Yellow May 2nd, 2003 08:13 PM

are u christian. cuz i am and the way i see it is that god would have mentioned something of it in the bible even a small hint that there were more life out there. but of course there are other beliefs and my interpretation of the bible is only an opinion. so im really not sure


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