Re: FFA is dead.
 

As much as I agree with the "laming rule" being lame, you must still respect that, that is their way to enjoy the game. Let them, no one's forcing you to go there.
If that is truly how they find joy in this game, then I wonder who you are to tell them how to play it. Nor them telling you how you want to play it.

Don't like it, don't go there.
It's just amazingly childish arguing over something like that. Because we're not all alike, nor do we think alike.

I still find it rather funny as Kouen said, that the JA+ players claim they're so amazingly skilled in such a buggy mod (well not buggy, but it has no pattern, it's all random.)

But I still don't go there to tell them how they should be playing it, I'm accepting it, and playing how I want to play it. Since it is, none of my buisness really.

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I don't see how skilled players wouldn't be recognized as such simpyl because they play JA+. I consider myself quite skilled compared to most players I fight with, and I do play JA+.

I don't really understand what you mean by JA+ battles are determinned at random. The way I see it, you get hit and you lose health points. A good hit and you're dead.
However, as I said in my previous post, yes, one part of JA+ is totally retarded (and random) - And that is when servers are set on MP dmgs. SP dmgs are basically basejka. You can still use a poke, you can still headshot people, and you can still die from a kata. However, do not be mistaken. Basejka is not JA+ and never will be. It cannot be argued that JA+ surpasses basejka, so let's not go there.
But as an alternative, I find that JA+ is fine to play with. I msyelf have started to enjoy JA+ mainly because of its admin system, but I am considering changing to JAE. Why? Because it is basejka with what I like from JA+.

But the main point of my post is to disagree on the fact that JA+ players aren't skilled. That cannot be justified simply because they play JA+. JA+ takes as much skill as basejka does, but I will agree that the damage ratios have been changed.

I agree on the Agent Smith syndrome thing though.

Re: FFA is dead.
 

I'm not arguing that people shouldn't use JA+ - I'm just arguing that they shouldn't use it just because everyone else does.

It's not going to make your server any popular, and when you come on talking like a self-respecting, "skilled" player, then admit you use a mod which has no core skill requirement at all, it's just silly.

The "Agent Smith" syndrome has destroyed the community, by driving away all the serious gamers and leaving the "leet-haxor kids".

Re: FFA is dead.
 

That's an understandable thing, but the one key thing you are not understanding is that there are rarely people who do play Pure FFA.

I had a clan server for a while and most I'd get is about 3-5 people tops and for the most part it would be empty. They'd get wiped out plenty of times then they'd leave within about 10 minutes. So supporting our cause does nothing for us, as JKA is already FUBAR to the point where we can't have fun.

Anyway, Golan what kind of settings do you have set on your server? Do you have weapons enabled, what's the force regen, etc? Just curious.

Re: FFA is dead.
 

Force Regen is 100, default is way too low.
Guns are disabled because our main map is mp/ffa3, and, well, it's annoying when people are having a lightsaber FFA and someone rockets them all. Sure, it's a FFA, but eventually it gets old. So they're disabled.
Flipkick is obviously disabled.
Saber is NF, Jump, Attack and Defence only.
Grapple Hook si disabled.

All I have in mind at the moment.

//Edit. I just realised I tried posting in this topic twice and my post jumped twice. Sorry.

Re: FFA is dead.
 

I have no problem with a pure FFA server. Its the people that come onto a no laming server and lame. Actually I enjoy a pure FFA once in awhile anyways.

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It's clear our way of playing is extremely different. Thanks for the response though.

Anyway ConnerBrower, I understand where you're getting at. Though I am guilty of doing that all too many times. Gotta have my fun some time :P

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and thats what that handy dueling buttion of for uknow K that makes you outside of every thing else

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A lightsaber FFA generally involves more than two people. If you'd been in one, which by your comment I presume you havent, you'd know.

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Part of the reason I stopped playing JKA was the "1337-haxor" noobs, the clans, and because when I tried to have fun (Which was 'laming') I'd get kicked and banned. True FFA for the majority is dead. Now, I know JA+ isn't totally at fault for that, it's just that it's consumed most of the servers.

Hence why I moved to World of Warcraft. (I know, boo hiss boo). I was in a Player Vs Player server, where I could get killed at any time by someone. My guild moved servers to a Player Vs Environment server (PvE), where you can only get killed if you turn player vs player combat on. Otherwise, you can duel people. Not only was that more relaxing for me, it was a lot more fun. Now if a mod that acted similarly to that was made for JKA, it'd be cool, but I wouldn't come back.

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Haha atleast you were treated to a very empty FFA with me before quitting and all

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Lol another reason alot of lamers get banned/slept/kicked is because there disrespectful although this is besides the point.

Re: FFA is dead.
 

i agree it can be annoying to see people use JA as MSN messenger or w/e

and then when you're bored in the game so you decide to snipe some guy standing there, who is an admin and then get slapped, punished, slayed, teleported out of the map, slept. and then he starts spamming:

"LAMER, LAMER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" "OMG STOP LAMING"

*/amban dark*

Server disconnected: was kicked (w/e the message is)

1 agreement is that JA+ does make JA to MSN because when i first bought the game when it came out, all the servers were playing it like FFA, untill JK2 players came and JA+ arrived and stopped all that

BUT STILL the patch isnt to blame, if you want your ffa then start your own server, rename some bots to make it look like there's lots of people on, and own some n00bs

Re: FFA is dead.
 

Sounds easy, but a productive and fun FFA requires a few maps of rotation, a pretty full server (all real players), and they all have to be good sports. I mean, you can't have a fun FFA with someone crying and spamming "CHEATER" just because you whooped him a couple of times. The things you need for a good, fun, long lasting FFA is...

1. A server with nice maps, and a healthy rotation...
2. Good sports or friends (I can say anything to my friends and they'll still play with me)
3. No n00bs, newbs are okay, except they might quit after getting killed.
4. NO haxors
5. No sucky admins who sleep everyone just to make the server say "Pie" in bold.
6. And to eliminate the word laming! When I play you'd better type after you've been owned, because I purposely look for and kill the people sitting around chatting it up, want to talk, get IM, or join a ficken RP server!

Re: FFA is dead.
 

I hate random attackers, I like JA + because it makes the game complete. I know what a FFA is, but duel mode just sucks, so challenging someone in FFA mode is good. Like the servers I go to, you can both FFA or Duel, you choose, and they have some protected safe zones, like under the arch on FFA3, but only if saber is down, but if your out of those zones, your open season, but you can also challenge people to duels. I like the style, cause you can choose. Running up and attacking someone typing something is a lame thing to do. Yes, laming is a good word, because mainly noobs run up to some guy standing there and typing something n kill him.


I'm glad JA + exists, because I've played base JA online, and while fun, it always felt...incomplete. But that's just me.

Re: FFA is dead.
 

JA+ also flawed the combat system beyond measure. That's an entirely different point though.

Anakin992, you basically got the idea of what a FFA server should be. My clan server used to be some what like that. Wasn't full, but there was enough people to really play the game. I miss those days :(

Re: FFA is dead.
 

Flawed Combat system? I rather like it. I don't know what's different about it in JA+, although I do notice I lose more often in JA+ servers, but I still like them. I think I heard they have JK2 damages? as far as some configs I read said.

Re: FFA is dead.
 

Slider changed the combat around through coding and overall screwed up things such as the hit detection, etc.

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Well I do notice some hits don't register sometimes, but I've learned to get past that. It's just how it is, almost all servers run JA +, so I've just leanred to deal with it.

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Haha yeah I avoid those servers cause stuff like that just frustrates me to no end. Not to mention I enjoy my Pure FFA servers

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I'm pretty damn sure that FFAs are comin' back....i mean ive been on 1 server which you can only duel here. they said "you can only FFA in a certain place....and duel everwhere else why???:confused: they like said.....if you do that FFA here you get kicked OMG that sucks......:inthetoilet: but other servers allow FFA. Complain to the little admins and say "OMG YOU DO AN FFA BUT YOU CAN ONLY DUEL!!!??? GO 'N' THINK WHY...IS A FFA CALLED A FFA???BUT TO YOU IT MEANS : FFA means duel...in their speech they say we are gonna do a FFA.........but you can only duel....:mad:
OK i maybe going crazy :devil: (i am..probably)

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I couldn't interpret anything you just said. I think you have gone crazy.

Re: FFA is dead.
 

OK let me put it this way. JA+ Has flaws more people realize that then you give credit to. I for one am a Council/Founding member of a clan and we run the JA+ on our server. I myself do also play on the JAE mod servers such as The Jedi Academy.

JA+ Does have features that I like, such as grapple. However to make grapple half way decent you have to speed it up which I did. I don't abuse grapple and I only use it when i want to get to someone who just beat me in a duel before someone else does and I have to wait.

Secondly all of these so called "True FFAers" are short sighted. Because they can't upgrade to a new patch that takes 5 minutes to download and install and your ready to play. Like it has been said if you want to cry about not having enough of these so called "True FFA" servers make your own or go buy one! As for the paypal problem you can use a credit card via paypal without a paypal account! Trust me I've done it.

However we are a duel only server with the game type set to FFA. Which is not a bad thing, it allows us to chat and duel and have fun our own way. We are a clan server and we have the right to make and enforce any rule we see fit. We are fair and have a good fun time, and we don't run around yelling "noob". I personally think that anyone who calls someone a "Noob" is what the definition of this made up word is. Which to my understanding is the following "Someone who is new to the game, lacks skill, etc." That is what a "noob" is to my best understanding. However I believe people who try to degrade someone with a made up word such as "Noob" is the following, "Someone who cannot outsmart someone with real words, and doesn't want to take the time to help the newer gamers and educate them on how the game is played on the server that you are currently on."

As far as FFA being allowed on a "Duel FFA" server, well most servers I have played on allow FFA however not this so called "True FFA". Like it has been stated before if you want to play FFA on a "Duel FFA" server and they don't have a problem with it do it where there are not people chatting or dueling. The admins on the clan I am in have the right to allow a short term FFA however there is still the "No Laming" rule that protects people who do not want to free for all. Also if someone wants weapons or force and the admin has that power they can give them full access to guns and force.

As far as the "Honor Code" goes, and it limiting the community. Bull Spit and you know it. The "Honor Code" is for what I consider Good people. such things that are included in this are No ground kills and flip kicking. Now before you bite my head off for the flip kicking, let me explain.

Flip Kicking,
First of all in a duel if you flip kick someone by mistake that is fine and not against the "Honor Code". However if you continualy flip kick someone just for your pleasure that is against the "Honor Code". Its all really Common Sense. Seriously grow up.

Because Raven Soft wanted to be jerks they didn't listen to the community that wanted such options as a better duel game mode, that for example has 3 duel rooms and as soon as a spot opens up you get drooped in there, instead of the current system. So we work with what is available to us and decide based on the interest and what we want to represent.

Thank you Mkilbride. This person here ladies and gents is someone to learn from. He got over it and learned to deal with it.

And people that say "Well this is what an FFA server should be." And things like that are short sighted. We do the best with what we have and what we have played with and like. We also do what we want to represent.

Thank you! You have what I think is the right idea about that situation.

Now I do agree with that however I disagree with the following.

Simply because of the fact that it all depends on how the server is run and how you play. And what was stated above in my opinion was a generalization not a fact.

On a last note, this post was not meant to offend anyone, just to state my views. Also my views are not supported or endorsed by anyone but myself.

Re: FFA is dead.
 

I can see what you're saying, but not all people have means to make/rent a server. Also I'm sure I previously said that I had a FFA server for some time and no one came. The thing was basically empty about 90% of the time. True FFA is basically dead.

As for the Honor Code, I disagree with the idea of it particularly in a True FFA based server. No such thing as honor in such a setting. Kill or be killed is what it's all about.

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Well as far as no one coming to your server I can see that is a problem, it could be because they know what goes for the rules there and don't like it. Or it could be something else. And I am sorry that no one came to the server that you had. Also I know not everyone has the means and ways of getting a server however with some creative thinking and the right contacts I'm sure most people can come up with something.

As for the Honor Code I stated above, I agree with you that it does not hold any value in the so called "True FFA" servers. However it does hold in many servers.

Again these are my opinions and are not supported nor endorsed by anyone but myself.

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Yeah it grows tiresome. I'm sorry no one came in either. I miss the golden days man. One server used to be near full everyday. Server screwed up got a new one and it was extinct. That's just sad.

By the way, I have no problems with your opinion.

Re: FFA is dead.
 

I know, its just when I've stated my opinion before people have gone back to the clan and it caused a bunch of bull spit. (Not in my current one.) So I just add that little line.

Well I've been playing not 2 years now, so I wouldn't know how things used to be.

Re: FFA is dead.
 

I think I been a clan leader for about 3-3.5 years now. It really didn't get bad until toward the half of my second year. Generally there have always been more RPers/saberists than FFAers, but when one of my previous clan servers gone down it as I said went completely down hill. That's just about how it's been since then except I had the person renting the server just close it down for the sake of now having to waste his money haha

Re: FFA is dead.
 

So, OS |Penumbra-Omen| SCM when did you get your copy of Star Wars Jedi Knight Jedi Academy?

Hmmm....this makes we wonder how good is base 1.00 or 1.01. With people talking along those lines, who don't allow people to do the best they can with what they got.

Hmm well lets see here. Well I personally rather be in game with a cool model chatting with someone, not on Xfire, not in spectator, but in game.

1 last thing before I go.

Well if a server has bots, usually it will be more FFA-oriented.

Hmm, sounds like I'm going to be getting kicked from a lot of servers soon then. If you want to stand around chatting with a virtual you, play Second Life or some-such, last I checked JA is a First Person SHOOTER (or Third Person Slicer I suppose) which is why I got it :)

wow people still posting in this topic lol

most servers i see with bots i immediately think its a noob server whoes trying to drive in idiots thinking theres people on it.

sadly the vast majority of JKA these days run on JA+ mod and alot of JA+ clans are noob clans that inforce crappy strict rules like duel only on the ffa gametype like wtf and they say its to stop lamming but on Base servers much less people complain about lamming and just actully fight instead of pissing about admin abusing.

and yea it somtimes gets really annoying when a server turns into a chat room especilly if its in the middle of a tffa. This happens to me alot im just about to hit them and they put chat on and when i hit them they say lame come on.

Yes, but people are less likely to be chatting/role-playing if bots are attacking them.

My server used to have bots on it. Don't really know why though. I guess they were just there so some one can go on there and just fool around.

Twig, what is the I.P. of you're server? Sorry if this has been posted before, I only read the 1'st and last page.

I no longer have a server. I had it brought down because no one was ever in it. Figured the owner of the server shouldn't have to waste his money.

Love too, but I don't know when people are on meat grinder.

I agree with some of what you said, Penumbra. There are quite a few FFA servers that are dueling-only. The JSU server is my favorite JA+, and it's not so bad. But I do agree that it's a Force-whore's mod. It's impossible to play without 3 dudes gripping you at once, all the while backflipping off of you. They have no skill, it seems...

It's kind of sad that about 3/4ths of the servers are JA+. It's a mod that I get horribly abused by admins who are bored. Then when I ask what I did, they usually laugh and kick me. If I come back, they'll say something like 'Cause you're a noob' and kick me again. That is why I try not to play JA+ when possible.

I think I'm getting a bit off topic, though. So, basically, JA+ destroyed the FFA system. I agree. It's a duelers-admin-abuser-mod. Agreed. The only remedy to this would be to code a more impressive mod that would be more popular. I don't think that's going to happen any time soon though. *Whistle*

btw those noobs that kick people for killing people at a FFA game has an other name its nap´s (noobs at playing)

if you cant handle the grip then go light side. i can grip and pull with the best of them it's a lot harder than you think i'd like to c how well you can do at it. besides Grip is like the Juyo/Vaapad saber style used by darth maul/Mace windu. by grip kicking ppl around it makes them angry and sometimes feel helpless as well as making them clumsy if they let it get to them when they come back to you all raged. its not so hard to get out of grip and in Base JA you can get Grip whored all the same so quit blaming everything on the mods the patches ECT. BLAME IT ON THE PEOPLE DOING IT

I only read the title and nothing else and shall just make lame assumptions and add my input

JKA FFA is boring as hell, faa is other games is much more fun, and thus the only thing keeping me playing it is the whole 'sit around and talk thing'.

emo?

anyway, ffa is cool. a lot of things were already said but i want to add something. thank kouen for his posts... he is right. the mods destroy the community. the game itself offers a lot of cool admin commands and you can control your server very well with them. you could, for example, deactivate the sabers (yeah the sabers!) and make a gun ffa. its fast and funny. you know jka is a first person shooter.. not a "i have a saber and run around" game. of course sabers are what makes this game different but most kids on the servers just do what you said - 'sit around and talk'. those who dont play should be kicked.
if they say "its soo boring", "bah this server doenst even have jka+" or "fu** you laming bitch!" - kill/ban them.
you know in the end its up to the admins. they have the control to keep their servers clean so the game gets actually played.

also duel is cool if you set up a time limit.
i wont say anything about rpg players...

every server i've ran has been FFA

Do these servers still exist Omegasigma?

There's one thing I can say about this: Amen.

hey FFA is far from dead.the clan im in has an entire dimension devoted to laming not being applied, we have the no laming rule because we dont like to sit there and FFA all the time,it gets boring.and ja+ did mess some things up but it added many more moves to do so you got more of a variety to counter other moves with.the blocking can get annoying but it goes both ways and if ya dont like gripkick then just dont go to servers with force,i mean if ya cant take the heat get out of hell :lol:.if ya wanna complain about those who have the no laming rule then just dont play jedi academy if ya depise anyone who uses it basically and thats alot of us.we like fair fights because that way your not being cheep and killing us when we were not expecting a stab in the back, many of us pay for our servers,sotfk for one donates to the leaders(far from what you say most clans are run by they have families and want to see at least one place where friends can go and not have a cussing war with).so when ya come on our servers,disrespect us of course you are gonna end up kicked/banned.and anytime you come to our servers expect an admin to be around 24/7,im one of the low level admins in society of the force knights,many of us make sure there is at the very least 1 admin around all the time not the same person we alternate i guess you could say.so if ya plan on going to our server and breaking rules you wont be there for long we want a good clean server for guests and members.

As much as I despise the concept of "play, but not really 'play'", I have to concede that Demo & Godless are right: if you don't like it find another server or start your own.

The reality is that a 20-person server costs anywhere from (US)$20-$40 per month. At that price, people have the right to use (or abuse) their server however they want. I, too, hate the chat servers, but it's their server, and thus....their rules.

Is FFA boring? Depends on your rules. Saber-only FFA is a little boring because it's all close quarter combat. It turns into a hack-n-slash cluster f*** after a while. Throw in the other weapons and the game gets a lot more fun (watch out for the snipers!).

IMHO, the best FFA is FFA with a purpose: CTF & Jedi Master. OJP Enhanced offers Jedi Master mode. If you never played it, Jedi Master is like king of the hill...only the hill is a light saber that gives you full force powers. If you don't have the light saber, you get weapons (whatever you pick up) and force jump. The rules are simple: 1) you only score points if you have the light saber, and 2) kill whoever has the light saber.

I like CTF for the same reason: you get all the carnage of FFA with a little bit of strategy/purpose built-in.

TB

PS--I'll be firing up FFA-friendly OJP Enhanced and JA+ servers in the next day or so. Watch for posts or check 66.128.56.123 (OJP) and 66.128.56.16 (JA+) in a couple of days.

Stop complaining about JA FFA's and play JO.

I tried that. Didn't work out all too well. It was almost the same thing. I may not have looked hard enough though.

I laugh at you JA+ haters.

Slider didn't make anything bad. He made stuff better. You say simply because dueling is made 100% better in an FFA that he ruined. He specifically made a thing called "alternate dimension" for all you read-me haters. It's where all the bloodthirsty mercs go to FFA 'till they die. Usually, however, all servers are set on the main dimension, which is where FFA'ers are intended to be with grapple hook and such. Just because hardly any servers actually USE the alternate dimension doesn't mean you should flame slider.

Though I agree people need to start FFA only servers. It does get tiring, and I wish people would realize that. Maybe somebody from FileFront should start a "True FFA" server.

And Kouen's pretty much spot on.

But can we simply say that some of us agree to disagree? That's what a debate is in the end, really. State your opinions, your facts, and your argument, defend it, then leave. Don't keep rehashing the same argument 20 times.