Why is this game less good than some of the other shooters? What other shooters?
Are you serious? The majority of the first person shooters out there are based on the quake engine & most of them offer stuff that JK does not. The problem with JK is there are no real distinct difference between the firearms in it. There are differences, but not any real ones aside from the sniper rifle & rocket launcher. All the other guns, aside from the pistol, have no *real* differences.
Look at Medal of Honor...
Machine Gun & Sub Machinegun -
Now while these 2 weaps are very similar, the MG puts out more damaging rounds, however, there are not as many of them as the SMG & it is not as accurate. Not real distinct or at least not any more distinct than most of the weaps in JK, but at least there's a point to using one over the other. If it's more up close combat, you'd probably go with the MG. If there's alot of distance in some of the fights, you're more likely to go with the SMG because if you use the MG, you would have to limit yourself to 2 or 3 rounds bursts.
Shotgun -
Doesn't do anything at a distance but up close it's very damaging.
Rifle & Sniper Rifle -
The Sniper has a scope on it, is more damaging, & has a lower rate of fire giving these 2 weaps a bit of a difference between them.
We could go on & on with other games like Counter-Strike where certain caliber rounds go through walls & others do not & also the various weapons in CS have their own distinct ups & downs.
The point is you don't have that with JK - at all. Not with the firearms at least. Yes the ability to get on a bike & go all over the place is very cool but the actual first person shooter aspect of the game, meaning nothing but the guns, is crap. This is the biggest problem with JK - it has no real first person shooter, at least not one that can compete with the other first person shooters whom base their game solely on the first person shooter aspect alone.
Don't get me wrong, I love JA. The bike riding ability & all that is very cool but the ONLY reason I play JK is because of the duel mode. I mainly play on BWN servers where there's only force jump & it's just the melee combat.
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Originally Posted by tFighterPilot
That's the only game that allows me to get in an x-wing or a tie-fighter and play against real people online (since X-Wing vs Tie Fighter doesn't work without a joystick).
I knew we could ride bikes & stuff like that, I wasn't aware we modd'ed it to the point where we could use X-Wings & all that, which is cool, but that's just not where it's at for me with JK. I play to lightsaber duel - that's it. 1v1 type stuff.
You also have to realize that even though I used to be a big contributor to the modding community, I haven't been in quite some time. You'd be lucky if you saw me playing online or even posting here in the forums, which I've been making time for the past few days.
Last edited by Marker0077; September 20th, 2004 at 11:19 PM.
Are you serious? The majority of the first person shooters out there are based on the quake engine & most of them offer stuff that JK does not. The problem with JK is there are no real distinct difference between the firearms in it. There are differences, but not any real ones aside from the sniper rifle & rocket launcher. All the other guns, aside from the pistol, have no *real* differences.
Look at Medal of Honor...
Machine Gun & Sub Machinegun -
Now while these 2 weaps are very similar, the MG puts out more damaging rounds, however, there are not as many of them as the SMG & it is not as accurate. Not real distinct or at least not any more distinct than most of the weaps in JK, but at least there's a point to using one over the other. If it's more up close combat, you'd probably go with the MG. If there's alot of distance in some of the fights, you're more likely to go with the SMG because if you use the MG, you would have to limit yourself to 2 or 3 rounds bursts.
Shotgun -
Doesn't do anything at a distance but up close it's very damaging.
Rifle & Sniper Rifle -
The Sniper has a scope on it, is more damaging, & has a lower rate of fire giving these 2 weaps a bit of a difference between them.
We could go on & on with other games like Counter-Strike where certain caliber rounds go through walls & others do not & also the various weapons in CS have their own distinct ups & downs.
The point is you don't have that with JK - at all. Not with the firearms at least. Yes the ability to get on a bike & go all over the place is very cool but the actual first person shooter aspect of the game, meaning nothing but the guns, is crap. This is the biggest problem with JK - it has no real first person shooter, at least not one that can compete with the other first person shooters whom base their game solely on the first person shooter aspect alone.
Don't get me wrong, I love JA. The bike riding ability & all that is very cool but the ONLY reason I play JK is because of the duel mode. I mainly play on BWN servers where there's only force jump & it's just the melee combat.I knew we could ride bikes & stuff like that, I wasn't aware we modd'ed it to the point where we could use X-Wings & all that, which is cool, but that's just not where it's at for me with JK. I play to lightsaber duel - that's it. 1v1 type stuff.
You also have to realize that even though I used to be a big contributor to the modding community, I haven't been in quite some time. You'd be lucky if you saw me playing online or even posting here in the forums, which I've been making time for the past few days.
Raven made the Siege Destroyer map, not the community.
About the firearms, they are very different. Of course they're not realistic, being Star Wars and all, but you can't say that the blaster rifle acts like a bowcaster, or even a repeater. Also there's the shotgun thingy which is obviously different.
Raven made the Siege Destroyer map, not the community.
The Siege mode is cool & all & they do bring some new toys to the table with it, but objective based gameplay is nothing new. Both MoH & CS has that availability.
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Originally Posted by tFighterPilot
About the firearms, they are very different. Of course they're not realistic, being Star Wars and all, but you can't say that the blaster rifle acts like a bowcaster, or even a repeater. Also there's the shotgun thingy which is obviously different.
There are no unique ups & downs. If the blaster rifle did more damage but fired at a slower rate, then there would be a point to using it over the repeater. The repeater is by far the more superior weapon leaving the blaster rifle with no unique abilities that would make people choose it over another, aside from maybe the pistol but it's the same scenario with the blaster rifle & repeater.
Weapons should have their own unique abilities giving the players an incentive to use it over the others - these don't give you that, thus why the firearms in this game is no match compared to the majority of the other first person shooters out there. It's all about whom can get to the best weapon first - that's what I'm referring to.
Last edited by Marker0077; July 20th, 2004 at 09:37 PM.
Although the reason I play it anyway is because of the lightsabers and being a jedi with the force, if they made it an up to par FPS game like even Soldier of Fortune 2 standards wise, then just as long as they don't hurt the actual saber fighting aspect of the game. I have seen this happin before, the designers try to add to much extra stuff or make something minor in the game good and the main portion of the game ends up hurting for it, for instance driver 3, Driver 1 was great, now 2 was ok but 3 they added guns and shooting into the mix to try and take on GTA I guess well... the driving was still good in the game but it was not nearly as good as the first and the ai was simplified as well.. the main feature was hurt because they added to much that they could handle. Cause if I wanted a good FPS id just go play Far Cry or something.
Anyway, I'm all for gettin the FPS portion of this game up, but just as long as they don't buggar up the sabre fighting in the future cause in my mind thats the main portion of this game. That should be #1 priority. Although if they say they can do it and keep the nice saber fighting im all gung ho for it then
And if you have ever played Far Cry or any decent FPS game then you would easily see the FPS portion of this game is really horrible, I mean sure its star wars but you would think they should of at least added recoil to your mouse when shooting, thats almost a must in even the crummier FPS games, and there is no recoil here, I know you can say its starwars and the guns shoot beams of energy so no recoil happens but I think they just got lazy and didn't put recoil in. By recoil I mean the mouse moving when you fire and you have to adjust or having your cursor grow as you shoot so that you only use smaller bursts to be accurate, the randomness of the blasters firing is trying to simulate recoil.... kinda, but its just not the same.
Last edited by EyesBlack; July 21st, 2004 at 08:00 AM.
And if you have ever played Far Cry or any decent FPS game then you would easily see the FPS portion of this game is really horrible, I mean sure its star wars but you would think they should of at least added recoil to your mouse when shooting, thats almost a must in even the crummier FPS games, and there is no recoil here, I know you can say its starwars and the guns shoot beams of energy so no recoil happens but I think they just got lazy and didn't put recoil in. By recoil I mean the mouse moving when you fire and you have to adjust or having your cursor grow as you shoot so that you only use smaller bursts to be accurate, the randomness of the blasters firing is trying to simulate recoil.... kinda, but its just not the same.
Your exactly right. There is NO recoil and the weapons really don't have their own special thing to make one better than the other for different situations. the pistol and the blaster are the same thing with a slightly faster fire rate. Whats the point of it? the sniper is cool and the rocket launcher is too but other than the weapons are really bad. They all shoot similarly. A straight path with no change other the the repeater. Normaly you would want to pick a gun based on what it can do opposed to others. With JA its like you pick the one that does the most damage.
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