I'm not anti-Duelers...

[Marker0077]

This was a post I made in the Duelers forums but knowing Lee, he'll remove anything I post. My guess is, he doesn't really want the truth to be known, that's why he removes them. So, I am putting this copy of the thread out to let the truth be known because I don't want there to be any misconceptions.

For those of you wanting to check out Duelers mod (which I do recommend, best server & client side mod for JK2 IMO) you can go to http://duelers.jk2files.com & get whatever you need.

Originally Posted by The_Wanderer

I went to download Dulers Mod 1.3.1 and all the Dueler's Mod files disappearded!!!! What is going on?!!

Originally Posted by LeeOattes

Unfortunately, FileFront made a decision to remove the mod from their servers as (ex-duelers team member) Marker has been making such as fuss about his contributions continuing to be used. No one felt that Marker had any reasonable claim to copyright, but in the interest of putting the whole thing behind us, the files were removed.

The good new is that I had a weekend a few weeks back to effectively redo all of Marker's work myself. The new version should be showing up on jk2files.com shortly. It has a new hilt pack, new sound mod, and new background loading image. All of the new stuff is completely Marker-free content, but since I used the same sources as Marker did (hence the sillyness about copyright) everything is still pretty similar. Of course, the game code in 1.4 is identical to 1.3.1 so the base mod has not changed at all!

If you want to get 1.4 right now, try http://members.rogers.com/lee.oattes/duelers1_4.zip

cheers,

Lee

Originally Posted by Marker0077

You can't modify someone elses work & claim copyright on it, however, you can claim copyright on the changes you've made.

All the hilts in Duelers (then & now) are the hilts that I put together. I repositioned the hilts, the blades, I set the new texture paths, etc; etc. but unfortunately, aside from a MS3D file, I have no way of proving I did the work I claim to have done. I didn't continue pursuing this matter because my attorney isn't willing to play ball with just that alone.

All the work I can prove I own copyright on has been removed from Duelers, thus you have Duelers 1.4; But the hilt pack still remains & there's really nothing I can do about it, so Lee has no problem with taking it. That's okay though, live & learn. All models in CM include a new mesh that fixes this in case this happens again. This was my attorneys idea actually.

I realize that this whole ordeal is pretty ridiculous & lame but I'm not going to just put up with being taken advantage of. I tried to work out negotiations with Lee for him to use my work & me to use his (even though he previously agreed to one) but he declined - & that is his right. What isn't his right is to take my work & use it in his project when he's not willing to share his own.

Lee, you can claim "company property" all you want, this isn't a company & even if it was, people get paid for the work they do (i.e. sharing your work, not legal tender).

Just so there is no misunderstanding about my position with the Duelers project, I am still promoting Duelers mod via Cool Mods. I'm not including it in Cool Mods (no way in hell), however, I will still promote the mod in a variety of ways such as shortcuts to the Duelers site via actual windows shortcuts, links in the manuals, etc; etc. I don't want people to think I am anti-Duelers, far from it, Lee is an intelligent coder & he makes a terrific mod & for me to not promote it, would be unproffessional. Unfortunately, there are just some things that I can't put up with, which is why I am no longer on staff & never will be again.

[Beetle4]

Way to f*g out, Lee.

Marker has a point, and he just owned you.

[young Obi-Wan]

that Lee-guy must really be annoying, esp. for Marker... hope he's get his rights

I remeber when this stuff went down, sad to see it is still going on

[Marker0077]

The only thing that's sad here is people who aren't willing to share their work. Even to this day I'd be willing to share my stuff with him if he would share his work in OJP; But that will never happen. It's totally his loss.

Things are coming along nicely for not only Cool Mods but the Open Jedi Project as well & neither one of the projects have room for selfish developers. I'm working on creating some new animations which will be a resource for coders to include in their mods (& possibly a client mod as well, not sure on that though), you think he's going to be permitted to use this?

I also work with most of the modelers & coders out there, they all know the story, aside from a few coders, do you think any of them want to help him? He screwed himself over, not me.

With Chosen One (JA/JAR coder), I can understand where he is coming from with not wanting to share his work to an extent. Alot of people took his mod, removed his name from all the credits, then tried to pass the mod off as theirs. Now when this kind of thing happens a few times, it starts to get to a point where it's not even worth putting out there publically. I do however think he should permit people to use the source code if he dealt with them more personally, to make sure that he wouldn't get screwed over.

This is not the case with Lee, he's just doesn't want to share. He talks about "open source" but the only features he is willing to give up are the ones that no one wants & even if they did, it wouldn't be hard to figure it out on their own.

Features like the animation pack & the non-interferance code are just too big of a thing to take away from all mods. Coders are going to disagree on the various other features, there's plenty of room for individuality.

Anyways, enough of the rant. I have work to do. Cheers.

How is Cool mods coming along?

[Marker0077]

Slowly but surely. The stuff I have is just too cool man, this thing is going to rock the JK scene like a mountain; But the modeling portion of it is a halacious workload for just 1 person, so I am thinking about just getting the client side pack out, maybe even a server & client pack out, etc; etc. just to get people into it a bit, then do some hiring of staff.

I did just hire a modeler not too long ago, plus I have some of the old Duelers staff joining mine, but we're still struggling to get this thing out the door. Now the animations pack is coming into play, I mean this just goes on & on.

I am doing a system change of the LAN system here at the house, so that will keep me tied up for a week to 2 weeks or so.

The release date was 6 months ago. The funny part about me leaving Duelers was, I had Duelers Full 1.0 all ready to go right before I left, installer & all. Now I've done so many additions, the old Duelers Full project can't hold a candle to this one.

Anyways, I am hoping to have something for everyone within 2 months. I know it's a long wait but perfection takes time folks. I'm only 1 person & can only do so much. I should have the forums up by Wednesday & the website is already up & running.

that is coolness