Axis victory

[Commissar MercZ]

An interesting book about this was "Fatherland", though it was more of a fictional thing rather than a serious historical discussion. Though it makes some interesting points about a world where the Nazi's won.

Past that I have nothing more to say which hasn't already been mentioned.

[Warforger]

There's a major problem with that plan, 1. you don't know that the winter your going to be fighting in, that you don't even think your going to be fighting in, was going to be the worst in centuries 2. You also are underwhelmed and unimpressed with the reports of how well the Soviet military was doing against Finland

This is mainly because this is made after the war was studied by millions of people and re-examined for 60 years, along with making a generic series of games with the same WWII storyline, thats why I like WWI better, not overused.

[Raptor_101]

If the Germans had invested in the right aircraft projects like the Ho229, Me-262, and Amerika Bomber, maybe things would not have gone the same. Yes the Me-262s started to see service, but it was too late. The Ho229 was just beginning flight testing at the end of the war. The Schwalbe could have replaced the standard prop. fighter and the Ho 229 would have been able to infiltrate Britain's air defense since it had an inherently reduced RCS design for the times. It was also extremely fast. Just putting that in.

[Afterburner]

Originally Posted by Raptor_101

If the Germans had invested in the right aircraft projects like the Ho229, Me-262, and Amerika Bomber, maybe things would not have gone the same. Yes the Me-262s started to see service, but it was too late. The Ho229 was just beginning flight testing at the end of the war. The Schwalbe could have replaced the standard prop. fighter and the Ho 229 would have been able to infiltrate Britain's air defense since it had an inherently reduced RCS design for the times. It was also extremely fast. Just putting that in.

Technology does not win wars. Even if the Me-262 hadn't been delayed, there was still a big shortage of trained pilots, fuel, and other basic resources in Germany by the time they could have been developed. Sure I suppose you could "What if." and say what if the Germans had their technology at the start of the war, but that is like asking what if Germany had nuclear weapons, or what if France had lasers and spaceships.

[Destroyer25]

Originally Posted by Raptor_101

If the Germans had invested in the right aircraft projects like the Ho229, Me-262, and Amerika Bomber, maybe things would not have gone the same. Yes the Me-262s started to see service, but it was too late. The Ho229 was just beginning flight testing at the end of the war. The Schwalbe could have replaced the standard prop. fighter and the Ho 229 would have been able to infiltrate Britain's air defense since it had an inherently reduced RCS design for the times. It was also extremely fast. Just putting that in.

Plus in my plan we do not fight the BoB, or at least not in 1940.

[Roaming East]

It was never a quality issue with the Germans. it was quantity. Had they had the Me262 in 1941 they still would have lost the air war because having one Me262 instead of the 10 FW190's you could have had for the same labor and cost isnt effective in an industrial war. Same for the Tiger and Panther.

[Destroyer25]

Germany's issue was simply Hitler, his generals were never given a free hand. Hitler wanted everything done his way. His experiences in WW1 doesn't make him a better general than Manstein, Guderian or Rommel, but Hitler obviously didn't believe that. Guderian invented the Blitzkrieg, Manstein used it the best. Rommel actually didn't use the blitzkrieg that much. His methods were based on all arms coordination more(Which 1st appeared at the Battle of Amiens), rather than the armor doing all the work. How funny it is, Rawlinson and Fuller invented the idea of Modern Mobile Warfare, it was used, then abbandoned. General O'Connor uses Fuller's tactics against Italy, and then Rommel uses them to beat O'Connor, and the British end up never using those tactics again.

[Miliciano]

"Sweet memories of killing Russians with Michael Wittmann...I am a tank commander of the Reich."

You have just managed to both racially offend me and act like an asshole in one statement. Bravo.

[Destroyer25]

Originally Posted by Miliciano

"Sweet memories of killing Russians with Michael Wittmann...I am a tank commander of the Reich."

You have just managed to both racially offend me and act like an asshole in one statement. Bravo.

Sorry bro, didn't mean it that way. Don't have an issue with Russians, I have a issue with commies. I'll change my sig to killing Soviets I think.

[hulde gran]

Destroyer, have you ever played Hearts of Iron 2?