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Anlushac11 March 4th, 2005 11:46 AM

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But did the USAF use the AP-firing ammo?

I will have to research further but so far my data says little to none. The muzzle velocity was low enough that it had very poor penetration so was not very effective. Its low velocity also led to very poor trajectory which made it very hard to precisely hit ground targets or moving targets.

The USAAC used the P-39 mostly as a fighter and bomber interceptor, and when newer types came along it was pretty much dedicated to fighter bomber and strafing.

IIRC the last P-39's were retired at end of 1944 and the pilots were switched to P-47's.

=PreDator= March 4th, 2005 12:22 PM

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I like the german Bf109, because it looked good, and had a good motor

Von Mudra March 4th, 2005 03:13 PM

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True, the 109 was a great plane. But not the best. The German FW-190 was much better, so were the laterproduction Spits, the P39, the P51, etc....

Gauntlet March 4th, 2005 04:05 PM

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True, the 109 was a great plane. But not the best. The German FW-190 was much better, so were the laterproduction Spits, the P39, the P51, etc....

So how can you explain why many aces prefered the '109 over the '190? http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif

Anlushac11 March 4th, 2005 06:28 PM

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So how can you explain why many aces prefered the '109 over the '190? http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif


Most pilots spent years flying the Bf109 and probably knew the aircraft better than their wives and girlfriends. The later models were also faster than the FW-190's which made them better for boom and zoom attacks.

Erich Hartmann for example had IIRC over 1400 missions and preferred to boom and zoom and didnt want to stick around in a circle fight.

The Bf109 was small which made it harder to spot from head on or tail on view.

AntiKilleR March 5th, 2005 04:05 AM

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Your point was irrelevant. No one considered Kamilkaze pilots with 25 hours of stick time fighter pilots. Their job was to point a plane at a ship and fly into it. Nothing more.

Japs used some of their best aces too. Saburo Sakai had to do a Kamikaze mission with his squadron but he and his wingman survived because they either couldnt find the target or it was too hard to get there. I read his book "Samurai" few years ago so i cant remember that well.

Gauntlet March 5th, 2005 04:26 AM

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Most pilots spent years flying the Bf109 and probably knew the aircraft better than their wives and girlfriends. The later models were also faster than the FW-190's which made them better for boom and zoom attacks.

Erich Hartmann for example had IIRC over 1400 missions and preferred to boom and zoom and didnt want to stick around in a circle fight.

The Bf109 was small which made it harder to spot from head on or tail on view.

My point exactly...http://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/winkx.gif
The only thing I would say was wrong with the Bf 109, was due to the thin wings it couldnt have any wing-armament (except for the Emil). But the Fw 190 had often 4 cannons in its wing, and therefore its firing was more spread out, than in the nose-concentrated Bf 109. Rookies often preferred to use planes with more spread in its fireing.

Anlushac11 March 5th, 2005 06:35 AM

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There were also a number of high scoring Fw-190 aces too.

The Fw-190 had the advantage in firepower, roll rate and was a very good turner as well. It was also highly prasied because it had very rugged construction. Fw-190's would come home sometimes with damage that would have knocked down multiple Bf109's.

And dispersion wasnt that great. The Fw-190 had two MG's in the cowling and two of the cannons were in the wing roots close to the fuselage where it would minimize the amount of convergence needed.

Only the two outer cannons would you probably have to set for convergance.

The major problem with the A models is that below 16,000ft the Fw-190A in general outperformed the Bf109 but over 16,000 the Bf109 came on very strong. At about 20,000-25,000ft the Bf109 was in its element.

Cap'n Rommel April 16th, 2005 01:50 PM

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i think either the Bf109, the me262 or The Focke Wulf 190

reliable fast both(butnot as fast as 262)

The Contender April 16th, 2005 05:14 PM

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i really like ground attack aircraft and my fave is the henschel hs123
http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org...es/hs123-1.jpg

its main atribute was that it was very solid and took a lot of effort to stall . making it an excellent platform for ground attack. it was supposed to have been replaced by the ju87 and me 110 in this role, but the plane was so good that it was used until all of them has been worn out.

another of my faves is the polikarpov U2. simply because it exemplifies simplicity to the extreme and was a feared weapon.
http://www.hans-egebo.dk/images/po2-2.gif

fm_illuminatus April 18th, 2005 05:58 PM

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If you discount production numbers as a factor, the best plane was the ME-262, however, if you look overall at what plane had quality and impact, then I would have to go with the P-51D Mustang.

Vertical345 April 18th, 2005 07:06 PM

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Corsair, by far, such a diverse weapon loadout. You could have napalm, droptanks, bombs, rockets, cluster bombs, anti ship missles. This thing could kill it all, what a great plane.

WarDog21 April 18th, 2005 07:28 PM

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ya i saythe Corsair because of its diverse loadout abilities and its compatibility to be launched off and landing on aircraft carriers

LIGHTNING [NL] April 19th, 2005 12:52 AM

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The Me-262 was clearly the best plane of world war 2.

Dispite the overwhelming odds (the most flying me-262's on one day is 59, up against 2000 allied bombers and 700 allied fighters) the 400 operational planes managed to take down over 700 allied planes. Pretty funny, considering these planes were made in either factories that had to cope with around the clock bombing, or in open factories in forests, by unskilled workers, without the needed supplies of raw materials. (The entire engine was built out of steel, because the Germans had lost their source of chrome!) Also consider, these pilots had the minimum training and this plane was hard to fly.
Not only the factories were bombed though, the airfields were a favoured target too. Of the 1200 Me-262's produced (very high considering the circumstances) only 400 were ever operational. The rest simply got destroyed before they got the chance to take off. Because of that, late in the war the me-262 pilots had to take off from auto-bahns, using bridges as makeshift hangars!

The Me-262 was equipped with 4 deadly 30mm nosecannons. It's outstanding aerodynamics (best in world war 2) made it one of the fastest planes in the world (100 miles per hour faster than any other allied airplane). The only bad thing about the Me-262 was it's engines. Which is, considering the circumstances, reasonably understandable. The pilots couldn't increase power on the engines too fast, because the engine would burst into flames. Once allied pilots figured this out they went straight in for landing Me-262's, as they were unable to escape.

Vertical345 April 19th, 2005 12:29 PM

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The Me-262 was clearly the best plane of world war 2.

Dispite the overwhelming odds (the most flying me-262's on one day is 59, up against 2000 allied bombers and 700 allied fighters) the 400 operational planes managed to take down over 700 allied planes. Pretty funny, considering these planes were made in either factories that had to cope with around the clock bombing, or in open factories in forests, by unskilled workers, without the needed supplies of raw materials. (The entire engine was built out of steel, because the Germans had lost their source of chrome!) Also consider, these pilots had the minimum training and this plane was hard to fly.
Not only the factories were bombed though, the airfields were a favoured target too. Of the 1200 Me-262's produced (very high considering the circumstances) only 400 were ever operational. The rest simply got destroyed before they got the chance to take off. Because of that, late in the war the me-262 pilots had to take off from auto-bahns, using bridges as makeshift hangars!

The Me-262 was equipped with 4 deadly 30mm nosecannons. It's outstanding aerodynamics (best in world war 2) made it one of the fastest planes in the world (100 miles per hour faster than any other allied airplane). The only bad thing about the Me-262 was it's engines. Which is, considering the circumstances, reasonably understandable. The pilots couldn't increase power on the engines too fast, because the engine would burst into flames. Once allied pilots figured this out they went straight in for landing Me-262's, as they were unable to escape.

Yeah, too bad it was too late to make a real difference, i mean imagine if the luftwaffe had one in 1941-42, they would have probably turned the air ar around.

And about the engines bursting into flames, yeah i hate when that happens in il2, freakin annoying when you are crusing at 70% power, make contact go to 90% throttle and your engine blows up :(

bartender April 19th, 2005 04:09 PM

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I like the Flying Fortress. Ya know, the big bomber, B-16, or was it B-17? One of the B's..
Bartender

Relander April 19th, 2005 11:52 PM

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And about the engines bursting into flames, yeah i hate when that happens in il2, freakin annoying when you are crusing at 70% power, make contact go to 90% throttle and your engine blows up :(

Average life time of Me-262's engines was just 25 hours, much the same as regular Soviet soldier had in Stalingrad :eek:


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