Best Tank of World War II

[Mihail]

Hitler was a fool, don't quote him on anything, he was the man who thought he could take us in a week, he was no god on land.

I believe if hitler had never opened the "eastern" front, germany could have taken england sooner or later. Not to say england would be a push over, I'm saying that british would have been push overs, I just don't think they could have lasted very long being cut off from the world, and being constantly bombed.

[USMA2010]

Originally Posted by Mihail

The LA-7 did not have a heating problem.

It was some sort of problem with the engine...

If Hitler attacked earlier in the year, say April, then you guys might have lost. It was your famous winter that saved you (and the Siberians), again.

And the naval guy is right, even if the English lost the Battle of Britain, the Royal Navy would have owned the Kreigsmarine as they crossed the channel. That, and if England was invaded, the US would have joined.

Don't say we would not have. You don't understand the bond the US and UK have. We are brothers.

[Mihail]

How did the winter save us? Because the germans did not know how to walk in snow? Because we had fresh divisions guarding the east from japan? even if we had lose stalingrad, that would not had been the end of the war, nor would it had been if he was moscow, each and every city would turn into a stalingrad. Our eastern(which were not siberians by the way, they were european russians) troops were equpied and trained for the snow, and most importantly general zhukov was leading them.

If germany had focused it's war on england, rommel would have finished off afrika, he would have secured france, and most likely lead the war in england, And I'm sure america would help, but theres only so much you can do when england is surrounded with uboats, and ports are bombed to nothing.

The war would have been alot different, germany may or may not have taken england, but I'm damn sure europe would have stayed under the control of germany.

[USMA2010]

Because the Germans were ill equipped. They were like the Americans at the Ardennes. They had no supply line that could make it through the winter, their ground troops lacked winter clothing. When the Siberians attacked, they were easily pushed over.

Now, don't get me wrong, the Russians were well equipped, but let me describe, verbatim, what the Finns thought of the regulars and the Siberians.

Of the regulars
"They were often drunk during battle, singing le Internationale and not fighting very hard. They were easy to take down, generally taking 2-3 shots to put one out of action."

Of the Siberians:
"They were tough fighters who knew how to handle themselves in combat. It would take 10-12 bullets to kill a Siberian. We hold them in the highest regard."

[Mihail]

No offense, but that's just bullshit, the germans were afraid of us in close combat, euro and asian alike, bullet wise, theres no way theres going to be a difference in how many bullet shots it takes to down a man, 2-3 shots is common to kill any man considering most Sub-machineguns namely german and finnish were 9mm which is common to put down a man totally. Our men were mixed together, there were no race splitting like in germany(other races that joined their army during the later part of the war) and america(blacks)

And the germans had supply lines, it was common for the germans to screw up orders totally and give them crap they did not need, that had nothing to do with the winter, it was common for such mistakes to happen, only thing the winter did was slow down their lines, but that happens to everyone during winter, just to a less extent for the defenders due to shorter lines.

[USMA2010]

If it is such bullshit, then please explain to me, and everyone here for that matter, two things:

1. How the Germans got from Poland to the suburbs of Moscow so fast.
2. Why the western Russian troops didn't lead the counter-offensive instead of the Siberians.

Oh, and yes, the supply lines were devistated by the winter. Artillery crews ran low on shells, infantrymen didn't get enough ammo, etc... If Hitler attacked in the spring and not the early fall, Moscow might have turned out differently.

And, about the comparison, it was the will to fight and the personal strength I am talking about. The Siberians were, in general, better soldiers.

[Hohenzollern]

Originally Posted by Mihail

How did the winter save us? Because the germans did not know how to walk in snow? Because we had fresh divisions guarding the east from japan? even if we had lose stalingrad, that would not had been the end of the war, nor would it had been if he was moscow, each and every city would turn into a stalingrad. Our eastern(which were not siberians by the way, they were european russians) troops were equpied and trained for the snow, and most importantly general zhukov was leading them.

If germany had focused it's war on england, rommel would have finished off afrika, he would have secured france, and most likely lead the war in england, And I'm sure america would help, but theres only so much you can do when england is surrounded with uboats, and ports are bombed to nothing.

The war would have been alot different, germany may or may not have taken england, but I'm damn sure europe would have stayed under the control of germany.

By 1940, the bulk of the Home Fleet was still staitioned at Scapa Flow in the Orkneys above the Pentland Firth. Some of the force was also in and out of Rosyth in the Firth of Fourth. Well out of range of the best Luftwaffe bombers of the day. Had Hitler been foolish enough to try a cross channel invasion, the Royal Navy would have devoured his transports and gobbled up his few capital ships with realitive ease.

Sorry, but a few years of retraining and a few modern dreadnoughts are no match for a seasoned, confident and overwhelming naval force whose training and heritage goes all the way back to when the Spanish and Dutch were the challanging forces. If Hipper and Scheer with their High Seas Fleet could do little between 1914 to 1918 ....I don't see where the puny Kreigsmarine of 1940 could have done any better!

The Royal Navy was not, nor could not be seriously challenged for control of the North Sea and the Channel in 1940.

[Count Nosferatu]

If Hitler wanted to he could have finished off Britain. Britain was never on his map though... Russia was.

[USMA2010]

I guess you could say Hitler had a short attention span. When he lost the air war over England, he withdrew Sea Lion and launched Barbarossa. However, when the Normandy landings occured, the Brits captured plans for a 1943 version of Sealion.

[Hohenzollern]

Originally Posted by Count Nosferatu

If Hitler wanted to he could have finished off Britain. Britain was never on his map though... Russia was.

I doubt it seeing as how Panzer Divisions, no matter how battle hardened, don't run so well in about 90 to 110 feet of seawater.


In 1940 Hitler feared the Royal Navy more than he feared Stalin and the Red Army ....... and he had very good reason too.