Y'know... stuff.
 

The first stuff thing is ummm... let me see here. Oh, I forgot.

Nope, I remember it. Ok! The first thing is that during a game if you get killed, sometimes it goes 15 seconds till you respawn. Sometimes 30 seconds. As well, during big matches with lots of people which causes the server to lag (a little bit), if you get killed... when the 30 (or sometimes 15) second timer counts down.... when it reaches 1, there is 3-5 seconds of lag till you see yourself. If you include the 0.5 second to 1 second to pick a weapon, that can add up to a maximum of 6 seconds for a grand total of 36 seconds.

I believe if somebody is using a lighting bolt of the highest dexterity (and maybe strength or energy), one player can destroy a portal in ~15 seconds (a portal of 3000 hp, for example).

Now, it's great that the games go pretty long, but it sucks that you have to lose it to one player in 15 seconds or less.

Can you guys clock it down to 20 seconds? It will still give plenty of time for one player to destroy a portal with no defense.

Oh yeah, when you get killed, if you don't click the mouse button, it may take 5-7 seconds before the 30 sec timer starts before you respawn... so... now that's a maximum of 40 seconds (around).

Damn, I need to get one of those stop watches and time it from the moment of death to the moment of respawn.

Oh, second suggestion is to have different custom settings (or more than one) of the Character Setup attributes that can be picked during every cycle (for example, at the start of a 3 map cycle.) The reason is that is sucks to disconnect a room, go to the main menu, go to character setup, change the character setup, connect, then connect to a room (while your team is at a disadvantage if there are less players). Now, I don't change my Character Setup, but I know others who do who say "BRB, have to change the Char Setup" because they had to go on the offensive from defensive or vice-versa.

By having more than one custom settings that can be picked when you're connected at the beginning of a 3-map cycle, it would benefit those who want to stay in the game.

This suggestion isn't major, but maybe something that can be added in a future build.

Thanks (whew!)

Danziger :^)

Danzig you are a moron!

Of course when you die the timer is DIFFERENT!!!!

It starts at 30 seconds whenever someone dies, If you die WITHIN' those 30 seconds, then you join the countdown where ever its at. I've died and came back at 30 seconds, at 20 second, at 15 second.. Hell I've come back after 1, yes thats right ONE second. This was in the rules for a very long time, i don't know how you missed it.

Danzinger... I thought you wouldve none about that now...
bah



[This message has been edited by Blaise (edited September 24, 2002).]

GakFace

Hey, quit with the damn crap. he's right. It's not just the timer. If you die regardless of the length on the timer I have seen exactly what he's talking about as well. Yes, I know about the timer joining part, but he also does have a point.


And crapcan that damn moron attitude. I am really getting sick of the kiddies that are part of this beta test downgrading other beta testers and the general attitude of people not looking for bugs.

Ladies and Gentlemen, we are here to BETA TESTE. This is not Quake III, this is not a shoot em up game. This is a professional beta test for a real, FOR PROFIT, honest to goodness, actual company. They are not your brother or friend down the street. I suggest people start realizing that and actually start bug hunting and conducting themselves with professionalism.

This is not for you to be cool and kudo points with your friends!

The original bunch of us that got involved in this project are between the ages of 25 and 35. Many of us are professional testers or other industry professionals. We love to game. Gaming does NOT mean you have to act like a bunch of kids hanging on the street corner. People need to start doing what we were let into the CLOSED BETA for inthe first place.

pgpkeys

I have to agree with PGP.
We are not here to have "kiddie" style
arguments, Flaming each other has no place.
Flames do NOTHING but cause more flames.
NOBODY CAN WIN, simply because a few pre-adolecent people think they are a big man behind a keyboard.

You were all invited to "beta test" this game. This should be taken seriously, you are supposed to have fun (that's what a game is for). Flames have no place.

I have beta tested for about 6 games now.
Most of the time people are informative and constructive.

IMO I always thought there should be an age requirment for beta testing. Some people are not mature enough to handle responsibilty.

Damn, this should have been (or maybe it is, I can't remember) in the FAQ.

The death timer depends on WHO DIES FIRST. The first person that dies will set the timer at 30 seconds. It is different than other games, in that timers doesn't constantly recycle. It only does so if someone dies.

So you are first to die, it sucks to be you. It makes suicide runs slightly less profitable. Stay alive!

excuse me PGP, but ummm... Danzig has been here long enuff to know about this. He's read up ( or should have). Don't come in telling me what this is. I don't mean to sound childish with this next statement, but i've posted more bugs that most people. I go into the game and LOOK for bugs, i don't merely go "lets shoot everyone" I look for the bugs from wandering. Those kinda bugs, ask Hap, I've found them too. Ever notice how the day after a patch, there are bugs posted? Yeah that me. I don't like being ****y but this was known beforehand. We decided (as a group) on the 30 second countdown. AS hap said (as i was implying) it sucks to die first, but you can also be lucky and respawn at one second, I've done it before.

ooooo so your 25-35 and i'm 19, who cares? If you think that makes you feel better go ahead, but if you're so serious about it, then post your bugs or reply to mine, because quite frankly, I haven't seen you on these boards for quite some time.

--Gak--

-->Sorry but it had to be said. http://forums.ve3d.com/frown.gif

If you had bothered to ask mith or Hap you would have found out that the reason I've not been on the boards is because my beta application had been screwed up when the beta db screwed the pooch.

Thus, I was unable to get into the Phase1 beta like I was asked to be, and like I was supposed to. Since getting the beta application taken care of I *have* been posting bugs.

mith and I have consistently done testing, talked over what is and is not a bug, posted what seems to *be* a bug, and gone from there.

So, before you start saying "Well, I've not seen you around so you ahve no room to talk", I would suggest you make discreet inquiries as to the WHY I've not been around.

As for the 19 vs. 25-35 thing, I have every right to say it. Both mith *and* I have been on servers doing testing only to have players shoot us down in the middle of test runs. We've notified them via the console that we are testing and not to kill our charactors, however, they do it over and over again then laugh.

I've asked more than a few players to come over to verify a bug and I'm told so what they probably already know about it, or enemy players come over and kill me before I can verification done. This is done mostly by the kids. I've watched more than a few discussions on "Well, my dad wasn't going to let me do the beta, but I convinced him.", or comments like Dude, this beta 0wnz.! When asked how old I'm told 18.

I have nothing against the younger players. This game is targeted at both our age groups. However, when you fail to do the job of a bug hunter, which is the only reason you even got to play the game in the FIRST place, then I take exception.

And one other thing. Regardless of how many bugs you find or how long you have been with a particular project, that in NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM gives you the right to trash other players for their comments. I've done more than a few betas over the last 12 years, and in every one of them your behaviour would 1) had your post removed, 2) you would have recieved a notification that that type of behaviour is not tolerated, and 3) if it continued you would have been removed from the beta.


I don't care if you are 19 or 49. Grow up and act like a professional tester.

pgpkeys

PGP
GakFace posts many a bug as do i so dont go saying we are neglecting to test for bugs...
As for you stating that the initail round of testers was aged 25-35... wtf where are you getting these numbers? are you pulling them out of your ass? I was in phase 1, so what... Danzinger should have known that the time is based on when the first person dies...
I honestly dont care what you think of me... but all your doing with your posts is trying to make yourself look all stuck up and better then everyone

"of people not looking for bugs. "<<< we do find bugs fyi, and often right as the patch comes out as soon as its uploaded..

"The original bunch of us that got involved " wow... gak is part of the original bunch too...

"the CLOSED BETA for inthe first place." wondering why you emphasized that, were not idiots , we realize that...

nite mare:"IMO I always thought there should be an age requirment for beta testing" well there is, you need to be 19 to sign the nda

pgp-"I would suggest you make discreet inquiries as to the WHY I've not been around.
" we personaly dont care why you werent here.... you are the only one stressing that...just dont go saying people who actually have been testing havent when in fact it was you who wasnt

"As for the 19 vs. 25-35 thing, I have every right to say it. Both mith *and* I " correct me if im wrong... but mith is 19...

I have been on servers doing testing only to have players shoot us down in the middle of test runs---<<< so have we... but also a part of the beta is balance anyways so you need to be playing...

"I have nothing against the younger players. This game is targeted at both our age groups. However, when you fail to do the job of a bug hunter, which is the only reason you even got to play the game in the FIRST place, then I take exception."... yeah well older people have too... just because your older then me or gak doesnt mean anything...
STOP STRESSING YOUR AGE

"I've done more than a few betas over the last 12 years"<<< once again trying to sound important...

"I don't care if you are 19 or 49"... welll it seems you do




[This message has been edited by Blaise (edited September 24, 2002).]

i'm sorry for those i may have offended. Regardless lets just close this arguement shall we?