how bout a map with a bunch of different ways to do it.... like deus ex but with more action http://www.veforums.com/smile.gif make a map with no objective just plop the character down and have em do what they want..... no locked doors damnit!!! hehehe you could finish it by leaving the place or by blowing it up :-D hehe or just hide in de kitchen for a few years

Great idea , really that was so cool in deus ex so why not do it in games like max payne ( I mean the mods )
Anywayz great idea !

Greetz freakyswifty

Actually, I'm dying for some house/urban maps...

Just imagine walking down a suburb street, and walk into a house to find some guys in a kitchen sitting down having a conversation, and you leap sideways and blast everything on the kitchen counter...

*drool*

If I knew how to use the damn editor, I'd get to work! http://www.veforums.com/smile.gif

Anyone for SyphonFilter? Might be a nice TC-topic. As for maps: I can totally understand people criticizing the lack of MP. I personally think MPis fun, but nevertheless I am a total SINGLEPLAYER freak. When a little time has passed and people like us get comfortable with hte editors we can all help each other out. The games too short? We'll just make it longer for us. We can do what we want. "Single map happenstances" like max at a gas station/quickiemart robbery
or stuff like that. It doesn't always have to be a complete map pack, addon, mod or TC to keep a game alive and kicking.

Remember good old Duke3d maps? Many good ideas for single levels which KICKED ass, even though there (obviously) was no great plot to unwrap. I am looking forward to sharing mine and playing yours (i'm not talking about playing doctor games here!!)

Just a little comment, but I THINK that you can prevent shootdodging from turning off bullet time by turning off bullet time assist in the options menu.

I believe that there'll be tons of maps out not too far into the future...

Like you said, look at Duke3D... Heck, we all had to use Build back then, and that was a piece of crap, but there's literally THOUSANDS of maps and addons out for that game now!!!

I'm sure Payne will evolve into something bigger than what we can even imagine.

A first Person view that switched to third when you use the bullet time or one of the Slo Mo functions would be cool...

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i have to admit that i preffer single player parts of the games to muliplayer parts.... you have to think more and you can bend reality for just a few moments... rarely online can you get a bunch of people to role play in the middle of a deathmatch and by role play i mean act out your character.... not run around and build up stats hehehe this happend once in a game of rune and it was a blast( i was the wise warrior at the top of the mountain that would read passaged of tao te ching hehehe anywho single player can be more detailed and immersive than muliplayer if ya want an immersive multiplayer game go out and play anarchy online(which kicks ass might i add) as for mod why don't one of you go and make a web page so we can organize the mod makers and get something out.... i am guessing we shall have a few levels out at the end of this week or sooner http://www.veforums.com/smile.gif i am suprised how far people have gotten by themselves so early. yes i want a non linear level!

Ok for any one doing a TC I have to plead with you,please dont forget, what was
for me, the best part of Max..... The mood.

Matrix mods with wall running and 1 handed cartwheels are OK, but what I loved
was the "Last Man Standing" style Narrative, the mind warping dream/trip levels, the
very cool comic book bits. the whole game had a dark brooding feel to it and i loved
it for that.

Even the mighty Deus Ex didn't have this kind of mood to it, yeh it had a great story,
and gameplay but it didn't drag me in the way Max did.

I'm also basically going to implement Oni-esque martial arts, which is a whole new ballgame...

that sounds ****ing awesome! i think someone should throw more special moves in too, like special ways of shooting, for example:
1)use dual guns to shoot to both your left and right, either with arms crossed or arms straight out.
2)shoot behind your back or over your shoulder.
3)a quick roll (like in tomb raider) so you can turn 180 easier.
4)a running baseball slide that lets you slide across the floor further and stay on your side longer for better/cooler shots.
5)shootdodge while throwing grenades or cocktails.
6)yes, Oni style martial arts moves (combos, throws, etc.) but done with guns still in his hands.
7)a pistol-whip like move.
8)grab on ledges, jump and hang over ledges like in mgs2 so you can drop down on people.
9)a way to stand still during bullet time while bobbing and weaving the bullets in slow motion al la the matrix (with a cool blurring type effect).
10)random animation changes in the way max fires 2 guns at once (instead of holding them straight out maybe cocking them to the sides, holding them at waist level, etc.)

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