sorry mm although i like charnel i do like pyro nearly as eaqually his level 1 sux but level 2 rules fire form will kil countless amount of sythes as long as u heal and it kills blights neverfiend etc. yes i love charnel but pyro is second persephone is just healing spells in different form and a crap rain of frogs her only good spell is charm and maybe rainbow

Whoah, SEIFER, slow down.... ;-/\

-H:Ax!s

[This message has been edited by Horizontal:Ax!s (edited 03-16-2001).]

Charnel Lvl 1 is toast to Pyro. If you shoot fireballs at scythes, whole groups can go down. Flame minions, used alone, can take out locusts and fallens, and single-unit cog attacks can also kill fallens. When they explode, they do good damage to fallens. Pyro can easily kill Charnel, if used properly.

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The Star Snuffer

"How do you know so much about swallows?"

Shut up Star Snuffer. I'll kick your ass in half a second. In the game with Choopy, no one was winning because the lag was so bad. Every unit was dead, a firefist was stuck in the ground running around. I was Level 9, heh, I even used Pyro. SEIFER, I was just talking about Level 1, nothing further. Persephone does not suck btw, she's just not the best. She certainly can beat Pyro though..

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"Yes... Torture has its merits"
-Charnel, the one true God who becomes the strongest through his enemies susceptible skin

Oh and... our skills must now be completely different than they were 1-2 months ago. So if you want to know who would win, we must play now.

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"What an unutterably lovely moment... Pyro is destroyed"
-Charnel, the one true God (of course)

0WNED!

lol, Visnu, you did spell it wrong, Malleus got it right.

Though he stated it crudely, Mm-_- does have a point. Unfortunatly it is a point that everyone knows about already...Charnel lvl 1 is slightly overpowered.

In truth, pyro and persephone are the only ones with level one units that come close to matching Charnel's (this is after patch 3 when persephone becomes balanced). For now, persephone will win against charnel's level one if used with the same skill as the charnel player.

I know that I will get arguments from players that have dedicated themselves to playing as stratos or james, but I'm talking about EQUALY skilled players using the god of their choice.

Whether you agree of disagree with what I (and just about everyone else on this forum) have said, feel free to state your opinion; but please make sure that it makes sense and is constructive with something to back it up ie. not a flame).

[This message has been edited by Lovidican (edited 03-16-2001).]

These are the results of me vs Choopy:
1vs1 (Me and Choopy): I win
2vs2 (Me and Incarnate vs. Choopy and Some Other Guy): CIS win

He used Pyro Level 1 and I used Charnel Level 1. About your opinion on Percy level 1 vs Charnel Level 1, *prepares his speech papers.... HA!

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"What an unutterably lovely moment... Pyro is destroyed"
-Charnel, the one true God (of course)

[This message has been edited by Mm-_- (edited 03-16-2001).]

Please, do prepare that speach....The only weakness persephone has is her ranged at level 1 (and even that isn't as bad as everyone says). This is more than made up for by shrieks and druids. Just hotkey their special ability and target the wizard with the shrieks and charnel level one (as with any other) is dead.

Do you really think you know the game better than the people that made it? You probably play charnel level 1 so much, that you know every trick to using it. Try using pyro level 1 that long and see how good it actually is.

The only way to test balance is by putting two equally skilled player against each other (not you) and see who wins the most out of several games. And this is VERY difficult to do as it is hard to find equally skilled players.

So don't go saying there is an imbalance which is so great that it makes one god impossible to defeat, because there is no way to judge and backup such a comment (not even with the numbers from the astral void).

By the way, I'm sure you didn't forget this, but let me mention it anyway http://www.veforums.com/smile.gif . A wizard has a GREAT deal to do with winning and losing. Try to send a netherfiend against a bombard and it will probably die (sometimes even when sped up). Run up (with speed) to a bombard (with fireform and healing) and it's instantly dead without risking any of your souls.

Units such as cogs really need coaching because of low health. Once they get to their objective (ranged), they can take them out without too much trouble, whether they live or die. Unfortunatly they have to get there first and that is where the wizard comes in. Turn shield on (other than fireform), have healing ready, and run in to take the damage as you set your cogs into place. I know you don't have shield at level one (you don't have ethereal form either), but you can still use heal and avoid the attacks as the enemy units aim for you. And once you have eight or more spitfires, that damage can bring down any locust swarm (within reason, and scyths aren't a problem then either http://www.veforums.com/smile.gif ).

And you seem to ignore the spells that each rung comes with. Fireball is arguably the best level one spell (maybe second only to lightning) in the game becuase of it's AOE (works wonders against clumped locusts.) Funny how the two best spells come with the two weakest melee. Could be becuase they were meant to be used....

Even with all these arguments, I still think that charnel is overpowered, but not by as much as you say (unbeatable). I'm sure that the test teams at shiney/interplay would have seen that as a problem, don't you think? http://www.veforums.com/wink.gif



[This message has been edited by Lovidican (edited 03-16-2001).]

Course' not. You really think Shiny is God don't you. And your wrong about a great deal many things, Cogs have more health than any level 1 unit if you don't count shields. Charnel is not that imbalanced, maybe by a tit bit over the regular gods. You're also mentioning old stuff. I sent in 8 frostwolves and killed 4 guardianed Bombards http://www.veforums.com/smile.gif When cogs get to ranged, which Choopy managed, he killed 1 of my fallen, 2 scythes, and 2 of my locusts (He never got to fireball em since Locusts' drain owned him badly) Then he pretty much lost that battle. Yes, the cog died and the steam killed 1 fallen hehe.

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"What an unutterably lovely moment... Pyro is destroyed"
-Charnel, the one true God (of course)

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