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Which is a better connection DSL , Cable , or T1? nt ------------------ c:DOS C:DOS/RUN RUN/DOS/RUN |
T1 BY FAR but very expensive |
m getting dsl tomorrow is it fast? |
dsl is what i have and i love it, i think it rocks cables ass.see the thing is every person that gets cable in a neighborhood it gets slower, but dsl isnt that way. dsl rules everything. i hope you enjoy http://www.veforums.com/smile.gif i sure am |
there are different speed dsls. some dsls are as fast as t1s. i think t1 is 1.5 megabits up and down? |
the guy said ours was going to be 1.5 up and down because we live in a small community ------------------ c:DOS C:DOS/RUN RUN/DOS/RUN |
yeah there are two dsl speeds, dsl and dslpropack, dslpropack is four times as fast as dsl but a lot of little places(including where i live) dont have dslpropack, but i really dont care cause dsl works just fine for me |
Does it download fast? cause when the sacrifice demo comes out i dont want to wait a long time ------------------ c:DOS C:DOS/RUN RUN/DOS/RUN |
give it an hour and a half tops, usually it takes just an hour for 90 megs but it might be a slow download provider |
It depends. My school runs off 6 t1 lines. When no ones on, I get 60..50..30 ping. Which is almost no lag. However, during the peak of the day.. I get 400-600 ping. Now I know people who are on DSL and Cable who have a steady 100 pings.. So all of them are fast. But it really depends on how many people share your bandwith. |
"the thing is every person that gets cable in a neighborhood it gets slower, but dsl isnt that way. dsl rules everything." this is not true. dispite what the dsl commercials are saying you ARE sharing your dsl connection. just not in the same place in the pipe as cable modem. after trying both here in orange county, cable modem is a little bit faster. |
We have double T3-lines here at my sutdent-dorm so I'm ok.... http://www.veforums.com/smile.gif (approx: 100mbit) ------------------ /Basse *I represent several "manahoars" of your caliber, I consider myself a "he-madam".* (Deuce Bigalow) |
it really depends on what kind of dsl, plus if you have a shared T-1 and how many cable customers there are in an area. I have T-1 service (which is technically vdsl) here where I live and I love it. |
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Well I have DSL and it has been a mixture of good and bad. I would rather have a cable modem. With games I have never had a problem with the DSL, but for web surfing, it really has problems. DSL (BellAtlantic) is new in my area so perhaps they are working out the kinks. Web surfing will be great for about 3-4 min and then stop dead in it tracks for about a full minute before picking up again. I havn't figured what the deal is but I suspect that the games are ok because they are not on port 80 ??? Still bizzare though. My friends with cable modems are all very happy with their service, and while in theory it(cable modem) does slow down the more people that are on it, in practice you don't experience it at all. If my DSL worked more consistently for web surfing I would be much happier with it. I did hear a rumor though that cable modems were more prone to packet loss, but I don't see why that would be true. ------------------ My corpse..2 inches from the zone..as usual. |
Auctally an Analog Modem is the fastest..if you have enough of them. For example my work has 125 An Modems...they link together and I get 2meg up and down!! |
Exactly how much would a T1 cost? for installation AND monthly fees,were thinking about getting one here but are unsure of the cost so far |
I'd put my vote in for T1 being the fastest of the three mentioned. |
No idea on the cost though. http://www.veforums.com/frown.gif |
I heard T1 can get up to $10,000. Renting one is around $1,000. |
T1 is usually meant for schools/businesses, unless your name is Richie Rich. For home use it comes down to ADSL v.s. Cable. From all the reviews I've read... Cable wins all the time. With ADSL, you've got the attenuation factor (if you're too far from the central office). With the cable you got the sharing bit. It's up to you, really. It's your buck. If you don't like one, you can always cancel and try the other. Danziger :^) |
Unless you have BIG bucks forget about T1. If you are near a main line you might get a good deal on a fractional T1, but even that isn't too cheap. yes T1 is the best, but it costs much more than any cable modem or DSL. On the upside, if you are near a ?node? you will save a lot on money on the install but will still have a hefty monthly... but you can make a little side money dishing out some private accounts to help pay it. I pay 40 a month for DSL, compare that to... sample http://home.iwc.net/prod04.htm Bandwidth Terms Price per Month Setup fee 1.55Mbps Monthly $875.00 $2000.00 768Kbps Monthly $500.00 $2000.00 512Kbps Monthly $400.00 $2000.00 384Kbps Monthly $350.00 $2000.00 128Kbps Monthly $275.00 $2000.00 Anyone out there who actually pays for a full T1 just for games.. well at almost a grand a month you can't get any more commited than that! Now that's Hardcore! ------------------ My corpse..2 inches from the zone..as usual. |
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And what about T3 and ATM?? I hope someone can answer this... LoRd Wh0Op a$$ -------- PeAcE OuT |
I will try to put an end to this thread as best as i can. Here are the differences in the most common speeds for DSL/CABLE/T1 services. I hope it helps anyone with questions.. Here Goes.. DSL Service usually starts at 384kbps and peeks at around 7.1mbit. Most isp/telco rarely go that high, so a figure of 1.5mbit downstream is the most common speed. DSL is a shared line is a sense that your connection is tied into your isps backbone, T3, OC3 etc, But it is NOT shared in a way that cable is. Cable service speeds generally average between 500kpbs and up to 5mbit downstream speeds, some average even faster. The downside with cable is your connection is tied in with everyone else on your node, which could be hundreds of homes. This usually doesn't pose a problem because most isp's are fit to upgrade if speeds drop. T1 Service, Frame Relay etc etc. are known to be used by business and corporations that need a high speed dedicated line. A T1 line is 1.54mbit up/down. It is not shared and a pure dedicated line. It costs Hundreds of $ a month and not for an average home user. (Remember also that T1's were available way before DSL, and most cable) CONCLUSION: Cable is still generally the fastest means of internet service available to home users. DSL may be a dedicated line that isn't shared, but the speeds don't generally match that of cable. Even at peak times Cable users usually surpass speeds of DSL owners. I myself can vouch for that, i have cable service myself here in NJ with optonline, and my speeds are 3-5x that of 1.5mbit dsl service and also costs less then half of what dsl does. Simply put, if cable is in your area I would give that a try first. Hope that clears soem questions up! Grahxen |
And what about T3 and ATM???? anybody knows?? LoRd Wh0Op a$$ -------- PeAcE OuT |
One thing that made me not choose cable, is @home (our provider) limits upload speeds to 128k. This is actually pretty darn slow considering you can upgrade dsl to match up and down, but not cable. I know a lot of people don't care because they just download and don't upload, but if you plan on running a web server, or hosting net games upload speed will be a huge bottle neck. ------------------ -- I'd give my right hand to be ambidextrous -- |
cable has been good to me. no one year contract, free installation, $40 a month and 120-240 kbyte dl, 30-40 kbyte ul. att ex. mediaone thingy |
Cable is the one you will find cheaper. Cable can but won't go faster than a T1. Of the 3, ADSL has the slowest capabilities, but overall will be faster than cable because your not sharing bandwidth with everyone around you. T1 would prove fastest of all as long as it's YOUR t1 and not being shared by a company or that you at least have full bandwidth at the time your using it. Cable runs around 40 bucks a month, sometimes cheaper. Adsl starting from 40 to 130? Different package deals. T1's i believe are 960 install, and around 600 monthly for the service. Hope that helps, if any of you feel my information is inaccurate please let me know, i just woke up so it's possible i could have said something invalid. |
For Whoop A$$, a T3 is generally over 20 times that of a t1 speed wise. I believe it runs 30 to 40 thousand install, and around 12 to 15 service monthly. ATM is near the speed of a t3 but i think it might be faster. I don't know much about it but ATM is not used for a home enviroment anyways, or college or anything. |
my Road Runner cable line, in southern Cali, gets me pings ranging from 25-120 to game servers. i haven't noticed a difference as far the time of day that i'm on. as for limits on download speed, there are ways to 'un-cap' your connection. |
I would have to say for DSL and Cable it all depends on your isp. http://www.veforums.com/smile.gif |
I have it now and its downloading at 950 kb persecond thats about 8x the schools T1! DSL IS BETTER THAN T1 BY FAR!!!!!!!!!!!! ------------------ c:DOS C:DOS/RUN RUN/DOS/RUN |
A T3-line is about 48mbit/sek I think... You can have one installed here in Sweden for slightly more than half a million swedish crowns... that's about 50-60,000$. The monthly fee is variable, but generally about 3-6,000$. (These prices are for a company or university, I don't know what it would cost for a normal person... http://www.veforums.com/smile.gif ) Gotta say it again... we have 2 (two) T3-lines here for my student-dorm... (sorry.. http://www.veforums.com/smile.gif ) They are linked to the main backbone in my city ( ca: 300mbit/sek ) Cable-modems haven't really caught on here as much as in the US, and DSL is just starting up. I won't move out of here until I can get a broadband connection in a normal flat... I'm hooked.. http://www.veforums.com/smile.gif ------------------ /Basse *I represent several "manahoars" of your caliber, I consider myself a "he-madam".* (Deuce Bigalow) |
WOOW ok thats FAST **** ( I mean T3 and ATM).. ANywyas thank you guys for the info. LoRd WhO0p a$$ ------------ PeAcE OuT |
Here at Shiny someone had the *bright* idea to get Business DSL instead of the T1 we had. You know, it's just as fast and a lot cheaper...NOT. Our ISP is crap and as a result it's a LOT slower now. |
Ouch, Torg. (Long time no see) There must be some way to set up priorities on who gets what out of the bandwidth (proxy server?). That way the ones who need the bandwidth will get it, while does who don't *need* it won't download crap that will slow everybody down. If that doesn't work, you can always go on a random shooting spree. Danziger :^) |
I hope that Cable/DSL Tuning Guide helps you, as well. Danziger :^) |
well, we ALL need bandwidth =) |
Giant_Citizen_Kabuto I was wondering what is the name of the company from which you got the dsl. |
Grand River Mutal I live in a small town im not suprised i get such good results. Im the only one right now out of 780 people so Thats y. ------------------ c:DOS C:DOS/RUN RUN/DOS/RUN |
Any users here on broadband connections in the UK? I'm waiting for ADSL at the moment, cable probably will happen but not soon - anyone from the UK actually got anything up and running? I'm not interested in ISDN - I really don't think it's worth the bother so close to ADSL being available. ------------------ http://www.planetquake.com/hk |
T1 is the fastest since it goes through a backbone directly. There is SDSL, ADSL, VDSL, and more that can go up to 10 megabits a second. If it's ADSL vs. Cable then Cable offers more speed. |
Warmoodev, best I can give you is 2nd hand knowledge of NTL's cable service (If you in NTL's range..) £25 with rental cable modem included, 512kbps (compared with 56k modem, or my 3mbps in Canada) Its not as fast as the cable yanks and canucks know and love, but its a lot faster than dialup/ISDN. I hear no complaints from my pom friends with it. You probably already know or this, but what the hell http://www.ntl.com/cablemodems/default.asp Duckfeet |
Ok, here's how it is! T1 is the best, well actually there is T3 now. But out of your choices T1 is the best. Here is thing thing though. Noone in this chat can sit here and tell you DSL is better or Cable is better. It really just depends where you live. That is the main factor, where you live. I'll give you some examples of why this IS true. Ok! I live in a small town in Oklahoma, I swear to you I'm not hick! Hehe, anyways... People in this town have two choices: DSL(just came out) or Cable(by Roadrunner). Cable IS the faster choice here. Not many people share the same "nodes" which connect people in neighborhoods, which can "slow your connection". I must tell you though, even when its a busy day it doesn't slow down that much. I usually get anywhere from 300k to 700k. That's the thing with Cable, the speeds bounce up and down. DSL here sucks ass! We were going to get it instead of Cable because our original service provider advertised it and said how great it was. Turns out, we weren't close enough to the station that handles the DSL lines. They have like a maximum length of 3 miles or something close to that. I think they can extend the length by putting up "switching" stations but if you live in a house that has a DSL line but goes through a one of those switching stations, it will be slower than if you were within the original 3 miles of the line. Another factor that will determine your speed. I've heard that the closer you are to the place that handles all of the lines, the faster it is. So if you are at the very end of that line you could be getting crappy speeds while someone closer is getting faster speeds and spending the same price. If you live within the 3 miles and you can get cable service where you live it comes down to price. My dad pays 40 bucks for our Roadrunner and that includes the renting of the cable modem. The amount of cable always stays the same. However, with DSL you pay more money for the speeds you want. Even though we can't get DSL cause we are too far away, I have checked out the prices. I can't remember exact prices or speeds but I'm just using these as examples. If you wanted DSL at the slowest speed it would be 40 bucks. This speed is around 150k. The up and down speeds aren't the same. Up speeds are a little slower. Then you can pay 70 bucks and bump the speed up to 500k. Then fork over 100 bucks for 1,000k or 1MB. It all depends on how much you can spend and the speeds you want. The good thing about cable is, it is usually faster than the average DSL service. This is because the speeds of cable bounce up and down so you can get an extremely fast download then get one at 200k. With DSL you are just guaranteed this one speed that won't change. I've heard that DSL users get really good ping though. My pings usually aren't that bad on my cable, around 50 most of the time. I am not an expert on all of this but I have researched this somewhat. I am also speaking from experience. But I live in a totally different place from you so your DSL services may be better there. That is why you need to check everything out before you buy. If you live in a highly populated place, go with DSL. If you live in a somewhat small town got with cable. And then factor in prices. There is a lot of stuff to worry about but see if you can't get a trial subscription do DSL and one to Cable. I've heard of people being able to do that. Someone earlier said that it would take you like 20 min to download the sacrifice demo. They are wrong and dumb. I could download that sucker in 7 min easily. But anyways, remember this, location location location! And compare prices with speeds that you can get. I hope that helps! |
Warmoodev your in for a long wait the evil corporation you know as BT has decided us mortals are not to be granted ADSL of any kind till the end of next year in specific places.... probably london first then the big cities. Wellcome to the digital stoneage ! |
Let's all run the speed test gauntlet! http://www.dslreports.com/stest/0 I got 1381 kbps d/l and 99 kbps u/l on the Megapath server. I am on the East Coast, though. I have cable subscribed to Knology. I oughta try this when it isn't 4:00PM on a Saturday during Christmas break. [This message has been edited by Terminotaur (edited 12-30-2000).] |
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