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Old December 28th, 2012   #1
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Default Transplants for Semi-essential Organs

How does it work?

E.g. Say for some reason somebody had to have something like their intestine replaced because of infection or severe damage or the like, how would one acquire a new intestine?
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Personally I'd steal what I needed from sleeping victims, but I believe in general that doctors source what they need to perform transplants from donors, living or recently deceased. Assuming I've understood the question, anyway.

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How does it work?

E.g. Say for some reason somebody had to have something like their intestine replaced because of infection or severe damage or the like, how would one acquire a new intestine?
Intestines aren't normally replaced, normally if theres a problem, the problem section is cut off, then sowed back together.

Intestines are so long that you could loose half a meter and still be fine for the most part, your absorption of nutrients would be slightly dampened but thats about it.

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Intestines aren't normally replaced, normally if theres a problem, the problem section is cut off, then sowed back together.

Intestines are so long that you could loose half a meter and still be fine for the most part, your absorption of nutrients would be slightly dampened but thats about it.
Indeed. My Aunt only has about a foot of her intestines left. She has to plug herself into TPN every evening to recharge, as she can no longer absorb enough from food. Exactly like Asimo, which is what I call her now.

Along with gutless.

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Personally I'd steal what I needed from sleeping victims, but I believe in general that doctors source what they need to perform transplants from donors, living or recently deceased. Assuming I've understood the question, anyway.
So, there's no problem? Assuming no problem with blood groups, what if the recently deceased was somebody in their 70s (assuming natural death) but it was needed for someone in their 20s? Also how do they keep the organ in a live condition if the person whom it belonged to originally died?

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Intestines aren't normally replaced, normally if theres a problem, the problem section is cut off, then sowed back together.

Intestines are so long that you could loose half a meter and still be fine for the most part, your absorption of nutrients would be slightly dampened but thats about it.
I wasn't talking about intestines themselves, it was meant to be more general but even if we assume intestines in specific, let's just say the unlucky dude/dudette requiring the transplant was ferociously mauled by a bear or some crap but were strangely lucky enough to not be killed by the bear and not succumb to the physical trauma but not so lucky since their entrails were yanked out. Whatever works, just that the intestine becomes useless in it's entirety.
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I'm not too sure, but I'd guess the doctors would always run some kind of quick compatibility test on said organ and the person who needs it, though if someone who got an organ of an older donor, I guess it just would "break down" earlier than what it would if the donor was of the same age of the one who needs it.

As for keeping it alive, I would also guess either freezing or connecting it to a provisory "body" or something similar, to keep it runing.

Pretty interesting topic if you ask me. I usually get into heated discussions with my Spanish teacher because I don't want to donate anything after I die, which she finds selfish and unnecesary (Unecessary to keep my organs if I'm dead anyway).

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If a bear got ahold of your intestines I would be more concerned with all of your crap leaking out into your body more than anything else. Can you say massive infections?


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I wasn't talking about intestines themselves, it was meant to be more general but even if we assume intestines in specific, let's just say the unlucky dude/dudette requiring the transplant was ferociously mauled by a bear or some crap but were strangely lucky enough to not be killed by the bear and not succumb to the physical trauma but not so lucky since their entrails were yanked out. Whatever works, just that the intestine becomes useless in it's entirety.
In the chance this man survives being mauled and only his intestine's being ripped out or ripped open and he doesn't bleed out and makes it to a hospital in a stable condition? Well.... They'd hook him up to a dialysis machine and feed him intravenously what he needs, but the chances of having bowels replaced with a donor is very very low, think there's only been a handful at best in the world, and the price of being in this hospital being constantly on the dialysis machine with various other drugs keeping you alive would mean eventually they'd say enough is enough and stop treatment or how I imagine most for profit hospitals do it, slowly OD the patient of pain killers until they slip off.

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and the price of being in this hospital being constantly on the dialysis machine with various other drugs keeping you alive would mean eventually they'd say enough is enough and stop treatment or how I imagine most for profit hospitals do it, slowly OD the patient of pain killers until they slip off.
Wouldn't insurance, or public health care reduce the costs? Would anybody seriously, and intentionally kill off a human being? The younger they are, the more one would hope, and hold out, one would think.

I can't imagine somebody surviving long after such trauma. I wouldn't even think it possible to stabilize them, not for long anyway.

Edit: http://www.post-gazette.com/stories/...longer-361392/

Well, apparently this organ creates the strongest rejection response, meaning life long medication to keep your body from killing your new intestines.

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Would anybody seriously, and intentionally kill off a human being?
Yes. Yes they so totally would. It's a veneer, this civilisation thing - and if you want to hang onto it you need to construct systems in which doing the moral thing is encouraged and makes sense.

Uh, a decent primer on this - bar the overly optimistic ending - would be The Lucifer Effect by Philip Zimbardo. I believe it was published in 2007.

I'd almost recommend history books to you but you'd probably say that we're not like the people who did all those horrible things (though genetically the odds of them all being sociopaths are vanishingly slim.) But we used to do things, even fairly recently - the last couple of hundred years -, like roasting cats alive in wicker baskets for the eviluz.

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