The United States of America needs to fall
 

I think it's the only way to fix it at this point. Hundreds of protests, promises of increased military presence in the Pacific, shit economical practices, and faux democracy that is controlled by the media.

Yes, it's still pretty good to live in, as long as you don't try to exercise too much freedom. I'm glad to have food and water and shelter and an education and being allowed to say "and" this many times in a sentence, but I do not approve of the way the government handles internal and external affairs, and I doubt many would say we're heading towards better times.

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In New York city, police barricaded streets, and only allowed those with corporate ID's and those who "looked good", ie, suit/tie or elderly. Clearly, the intent was to keep protestors from blocking the street, but they police weren't allowing the press or even a man looking to catch the subway through.

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I don't like throwing around strong terms like "police state", but America is quickly fitting into a loose definition of that term.

Thoughts? Especially from those of you living outside of the US.

Re: The United States of America needs to fall
 

Yeah, it will be great if it falls, wheelbarrows of money worth nothing, even more strife and violence, tinpots taking control, people starving to death (at a worse than current scale), quality of life going down the drain.

All the "students" and left wing Ideologists will soon forget about what they were protesting about when theres nothing left, having "Freedom" wont matter to anybody, when you're free to die in the gutter with nothing to eat.

All these "Occupy" protestors in America and UK/Europe, most of them, bloody student or far left types and "Public Sector" workers, with the odd guinine bloke there, all claiming they're out for the "workers".

I grew up and am working class, did an apprenticeship, work in a factory, every penny counts, supposidly these arseholes reckon they speak for me, but they ain't got a clue, in the real world, we're still doing our jobs, getting food on our tables, after all is said and done, they all slink off back to their middle class surburbia, after "fighting the cause" that they can afford to fight as they have no real responsabilities and always have their family and comfortable lifestyle to go back too.

Half of them are a result of the privilidge and dont even know it and they come to me and they try to tell ME what its all about, Me, after working rock solid, breaking me back for far less than what their mum and dad buys for them. Half of the "Socialist" types also root for the "side" which is against their own people and country anyway, they dont really care about the "working man", they care about getting minions to join their dream of their "world order".

"Protests" have just become a "trend" for all the far left wing types, just as "Marches" have become the "trend" for the far right wing types.

Re: The United States of America needs to fall
 

I suppose I should redefine what I mean by "fall". I mean fall, and be rebuilt better than it was before. It will happen, it happens to large countries every few hundred years. Someone described such happenings as "the manure" of society. I can't remember who at the moment.

You seem to have not seen anything of the protests but what main news networks are putting out. There's nothing wrong with that, as that's the case with most people. Go to Youtube and look up amateur and independent reporters on the situation. It's quite a different picture than what Fox/CNN/CBS paint.

I'm not saying there are not those out there who fit your description, because they are most definitely out there. But the majority are not at all as you described.

EDIT: Protests are not "trends". International news would soon show you that. They take place when the people are dissatisfied with the current state of affairs in their nation. People do not protest when there is nothing to protest about.

Question for no reason other than I feel like asking: Would you describe yourself as politically conservative?

Re: The United States of America needs to fall
 

We don't need to fall. We just need to oust our childish leaders for more intelligent representatives.

Re: The United States of America needs to fall
 

I utterly loathe the Occupy protesters. While I don't agree with you on them being "far left", because many of them are not, I'll agree that they're a burden to society. It's a bunch of people who know what's wrong, but aren't willing enough to actually try and change it. Bitching about something is one thing humans are good at, implementing yourself into the system and trying to change things for better or worse is something few people dare try. They're no better than the people they're protesting in my eyes. I understand they want change, but they seriously need to try fixing it themselves. The people who got you into this problem are idiots, do you think they care enough, or are smart enough, to get you out of it?

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Well thats what their "De jure" claim, but lets face it, "de facto" alot of the people who go on these protests fit into a certain catigory, they go on them to be part of something, to be counter-cultural, "proffessional Protesters" too and like I said, most of them complain because they can do so, from the comfort from the background the "system their against" provides, its a form of rebellion for alot of them, oddly and ironically, alot of them grow older to become the same arseholes who then rule over the country and order us around.

I suppose I would be considered "Conservative", yes, but if we face the truth, most of the right wing "conservative" side are just a diffrent variation of sh!t

arseholes from both sides who if they just somehow agreed to "meet at the middle" and worked together for what benefits people we might actually get somewhere, but it will never happen, its amazing how so many people can base all their views on one side of the political spectrum, even if they contradict themselves over varying issues, its like "monkey see, monkey do" than actual "free thinking".

Its like me, I am strongly anti-abortion, I would tell anybody why I disagree with it and why they shouldnt do it, but guess what I am also pro-choice, as its overall not for me to decide what somebody else does.

Like the left wingers who "value all life, no matter what" who agree with abortion, but are against the death penality (this affects America more, in England, we've got rid of the latter), then you've got their equivilent, the right winger who "values all life, including that of the unborn", but are in full support of giving a criminal the chair or the injection, firing squad or whatever method used.

The right wingers who want more restriction on "free speech", but more guns incase their "free speech is threatened"

and the left wingers who are all for gun control, but hope for somekind of "Armed Revolution".

It boggles the mind and you Lads in America seem to be more divisive over politics than us lot in the UK.

Re: The United States of America needs to fall
 

*cries tears of joy*

I can't find anything I disagree with in that post. You're especially right about meeting in the middle.

Re: The United States of America needs to fall
 

There you go.

Re: The United States of America needs to fall
 

You're obsessed with that man, man!

Re: The United States of America needs to fall
 

We need fewer politicians practicing politics.