Airsoft Sport - Page 6

***Skanker*** · April 19th, 2010

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Originally Posted by Vertical345

I don't necessarily agree with that. I think a real firearm is harder to be more accurate with.

I disagree.

***Fracture*** · April 19th, 2010

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Originally Posted by Vertical345

I don't necessarily agree with that. I think a real firearm is harder to be more accurate with.

Well I can hit a 2 inch diameter circle from 50 yards with a real 223. Winchester (I can not do that with any airsoft sniper rifle I know of), I would imagine it would only get easier with a bigger bullet.

***Vertical345*** · April 19th, 2010

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Originally Posted by haKZ

Well I can hit a 2 inch diameter circle from 50 yards with a real 223. Winchester (I can not do that with any air soft sniper rifle I know of), I would imagine it would only get easier with a bigger bullet.

Real firearms are obviously more inherently accurate when compared to airsoft guns. Considering just the operator alone, I think it is harder to be precise with a real firearm because of typical noob flinch, and also real guns are heavier making them a lot tougher to shoot straight unsupported.

I guess what I'm saying is the learning curve is a lot tougher. Give that decent air soft player with no firearm experience that sniper rifle and he's likely to get nervous and blow the shot.

*Crazy Wolf* · April 19th, 2010

I think he's suggesting having a decent chain of command, a plan, communications, logistics, training time to determine what things people are good at, and being able to assign people to what they are best at (NOT what they really kinda wanted), and all that. If you want to make Airsoft like military training, start setting up an Airsoft bootcamp, have them polish their Airsoft rifles, learn communications, etc. After that, look at your supply pool, figure out how many Airsoft machineguns you have, and how many Airsoft machingunners you'll need for the upcoming "conflicts" in your area. Those that performed best with their normal Airsoft rifle get to move on to the Airsoft sniper rifle selection phase, where they will be evaluated on their abilities, learn sneaky shit, stuff like that.

Basically, get close to the normal military structure, but with less money, hopefully decent organization, and no threat of death looming. You'd be making your friends your "soldiers", which changes the dynamic a bit.

Frankly, though:
I don't do any of this "play hard" shit, boot camp will still be around when I'm out of college. I've got a few decent Airsoft guns, some friends who'd want to shoot them off, we go into our backyard and take eye protection. Fire a few shots? Duck. Sneak around a bit? Pow.

Vertical, Real guns are inherently FAR more accurate than airsoft guns once any sort of wind comes into play. BB pellets are tossed by a spring or a blast of CO2 out through a smooth tube (or damn near close to it), and are then batted around in the wind on their way to the target. Hitting a Soda can at 100m with an Airsoft gun is pretty decent, considering how much accounting for wind had to be done. Hitting a Soda can at 100m and hitting the little "key" on top is amazing.I would say that type of accuracy is capable of being transferred to other, serious long-range, shooting.

6mm at 200 to 400fps: Airsoft
5.56mm at 3100fps: Real.

The caliber's not that much larger, but the bullet's a hell of a lot slower. This makes it far more susceptible to wind than your 5.56mm, firing at 3100fps. Not to mention one's bullet is made of light plastic and the other is LEAD IN A FULL METAL JACKET, which performs better in wind than what's basically coated plasti-foam.

***Vertical345*** · April 19th, 2010

I agree with you. Like I said, they are more accurate. I'm just talking about the shooter though. I think a shooter must be more skilled to be precise with a firearm than precise with an air soft gun.

***Scientist Dr. Professor*** · April 19th, 2010

Arrrrrrgh this is what I'm talking about... couple things....

First, what I mean by Airsoft not being real military is that at the end of the day, the airsofter takes off all his fancy gear, drives home, showers and falls asleep in his own bed watching TV. A real soldier doesn't have that luxury, a real soldier has to hump a 60-70 pound rucksack/backpack 12 miles in 3 hours, goes days without a shower or changing his clothes, sweats all day and then hates when the night comes, because it means he's gonna have do everything he did during the day except without the benefit of actually seeing anything. A real soldiers knows that trying to priorities of work in a patrol base when you can't even recognize the guy you're talking too because there's 2% illumination is just depressing. A real soldier eats MREs for days and appreciates the joy something as simple as a hot meal can bring. A real soldier hates getting up in the morning, because he's dry inside his sleeping bag, and the night has left dew on everything that will leave him with wet, damp boots that he will have to walk around in all day. A real soldier knows that a 20 minute shower can be the most satisfying thing in the world. A real soldier does endless details and police calls. That's the world of a real soldier. Airsofting will do nothing to prepare you for ANY of this. Yeah, that high speed, joe-cool geardo shit may make you look like a badass but at the end of the day you can just go home when it rains. A real soldier drives on, knowing that his life just got 100 times worse. And if you think airsofting will prepare you "tactically"... oh boy. Airsofting doesn't prepare you for how to do a zone recon, or how to conduct a movement to contact, or about reverse slopes or proper use of supporting weapons, or the endless things an infantryman will do that an airsofter never will.

Secondly, shooting an airsoft gun is absolutely nothing like a real gun, the fundamentals aren't even the same. I mean... I don't even know where to start with this one.