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I disagree.

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Well I can hit a 2 inch diameter circle from 50 yards with a real 223. Winchester (I can not do that with any airsoft sniper rifle I know of), I would imagine it would only get easier with a bigger bullet.

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Real firearms are obviously more inherently accurate when compared to airsoft guns. Considering just the operator alone, I think it is harder to be precise with a real firearm because of typical noob flinch, and also real guns are heavier making them a lot tougher to shoot straight unsupported.

I guess what I'm saying is the learning curve is a lot tougher. Give that decent air soft player with no firearm experience that sniper rifle and he's likely to get nervous and blow the shot.

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I think he's suggesting having a decent chain of command, a plan, communications, logistics, training time to determine what things people are good at, and being able to assign people to what they are best at (NOT what they really kinda wanted), and all that. If you want to make Airsoft like military training, start setting up an Airsoft bootcamp, have them polish their Airsoft rifles, learn communications, etc. After that, look at your supply pool, figure out how many Airsoft machineguns you have, and how many Airsoft machingunners you'll need for the upcoming "conflicts" in your area. Those that performed best with their normal Airsoft rifle get to move on to the Airsoft sniper rifle selection phase, where they will be evaluated on their abilities, learn sneaky shit, stuff like that.

Basically, get close to the normal military structure, but with less money, hopefully decent organization, and no threat of death looming. You'd be making your friends your "soldiers", which changes the dynamic a bit.


Frankly, though:
I don't do any of this "play hard" shit, boot camp will still be around when I'm out of college. I've got a few decent Airsoft guns, some friends who'd want to shoot them off, we go into our backyard and take eye protection. Fire a few shots? Duck. Sneak around a bit? Pow.

Vertical, Real guns are inherently FAR more accurate than airsoft guns once any sort of wind comes into play. BB pellets are tossed by a spring or a blast of CO2 out through a smooth tube (or damn near close to it), and are then batted around in the wind on their way to the target. Hitting a Soda can at 100m with an Airsoft gun is pretty decent, considering how much accounting for wind had to be done. Hitting a Soda can at 100m and hitting the little "key" on top is amazing.I would say that type of accuracy is capable of being transferred to other, serious long-range, shooting.



6mm at 200 to 400fps: Airsoft
5.56mm at 3100fps: Real.

The caliber's not that much larger, but the bullet's a hell of a lot slower. This makes it far more susceptible to wind than your 5.56mm, firing at 3100fps. Not to mention one's bullet is made of light plastic and the other is LEAD IN A FULL METAL JACKET, which performs better in wind than what's basically coated plasti-foam.

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I agree with you. Like I said, they are more accurate. I'm just talking about the shooter though. I think a shooter must be more skilled to be precise with a firearm than precise with an air soft gun.

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Arrrrrrgh this is what I'm talking about... couple things....

First, what I mean by Airsoft not being real military is that at the end of the day, the airsofter takes off all his fancy gear, drives home, showers and falls asleep in his own bed watching TV. A real soldier doesn't have that luxury, a real soldier has to hump a 60-70 pound rucksack/backpack 12 miles in 3 hours, goes days without a shower or changing his clothes, sweats all day and then hates when the night comes, because it means he's gonna have do everything he did during the day except without the benefit of actually seeing anything. A real soldiers knows that trying to priorities of work in a patrol base when you can't even recognize the guy you're talking too because there's 2% illumination is just depressing. A real soldier eats MREs for days and appreciates the joy something as simple as a hot meal can bring. A real soldier hates getting up in the morning, because he's dry inside his sleeping bag, and the night has left dew on everything that will leave him with wet, damp boots that he will have to walk around in all day. A real soldier knows that a 20 minute shower can be the most satisfying thing in the world. A real soldier does endless details and police calls. That's the world of a real soldier. Airsofting will do nothing to prepare you for ANY of this. Yeah, that high speed, joe-cool geardo shit may make you look like a badass but at the end of the day you can just go home when it rains. A real soldier drives on, knowing that his life just got 100 times worse. And if you think airsofting will prepare you "tactically"... oh boy. Airsofting doesn't prepare you for how to do a zone recon, or how to conduct a movement to contact, or about reverse slopes or proper use of supporting weapons, or the endless things an infantryman will do that an airsofter never will.

Secondly, shooting an airsoft gun is absolutely nothing like a real gun, the fundamentals aren't even the same. I mean... I don't even know where to start with this one.

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I think what Seinfeld is saying is that you need to play paintball to know what it's like to be a real soldier.

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Yeah now that's a man's sport.

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BAH! I KNOW PEOPLE MAN, I KNOW PEOPLE.



I do.

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I lol'd. :lulz:

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^Second.



I find those who think that they will be experts with real firearms just because they are decent with airsoft guns are generally idiots. I love watching YouTube videos of them firing a real weapon for the first time, only for the recoil to cause the gun to bitch slap them in their idiot face. The bigger the gun, the better it gets. XD

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Paintball? Real men charge into battle naked, and bludgeon their enemies to death with their penis-club. I don't know what you guys have been doing.

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Ugh... *cough* Airsoft. :(

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Oh, right. So, SeinfeldRules, what is your opinion of flight simulators? Are the best ones capable of imparting any skill to actual piloting?

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Thread quickly derailed. Also, being in a battle isnt just shooting guns. Obviously.

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Authuran's right, don't derail this thread, guys. It's a discussion on Airsoft, not why "IT'S A KIDDY SPORT INFERIOR TO THE REAL MILITARY IN EVERY WAY."

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Besides, it's a lot harder to have fun running out of ammo and getting shot when the projectiles aren't .2g plastic balls.

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I use .23g BBs (ch00b).

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So fucking hardcore, man.

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what gun do you own?? for me i have 2 guns right now 45cal handgun and a shotgun. and i'm in target shooting. i do it with some friends in the shooting range

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I have 3 guns. A Mossberg 500 in 12 guage, which was my first gun. I bought it used and it looks used, but it works great.

I inherited my grandfathers Marlin 336 lever action deer rifle. It's chambered in .35 Remington and was manufactured in 1950! I can shoot 1-2" groups with it at 100 yards with factory sights after all these years. :)

My first gun I bought new I got just this past Christmas. It's a DPMS AR-15 AP4 Carbine in 5.56. I've already put about 1200 rounds through it, and it has yet to jam or malfunction yet, but I baby it and spend at least 1-2 hours cleaning it after shooting. It's a fun gun but it's a toy. My favorite gun is my Marlin by far, it's a real man's gun. :P

(It's not my fault I went off topic, he asked me!)

Time to try and contribute somewhat to the thread. :)

I think airsoft does a great job at simulating some parts of soldier training. With that said, it won't teach you about real firearms, it won't teach you how to be a soldier. It will teach you how to move more efficiently, and if played with people with a serious mindset, it will teach you communication and some tactics too. What you take from airsoft is going to depend almost 100% with the type of people you play with.

The fact is, whether you're in the military and see airsoft as lame or not, you can't deny it being a damn good idea and pretty fun too.

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He just said a CA (Classic Army) M15A4. :rolleyes:

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Decided to take out my M324 tonight, holy CRAP did I shoot the hell out of this one Rockstar can 0.0 also I filled it with fake blood, making it funnier. No, but seriously, the aluminums all bent up and everything.

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My G22 wouldn't put much of a dent into a filled can, unless at close ranges, but those berettas that I used to have would destroy them... :/

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I remember when there were some expired cans of soda in my house, and trying to take them out with my Airsoft guns. It took a while to open it up(the cans were sealed, but we probably weren't going to be drinking them), but it was cool to see the reaction.

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You should shake them up as hard as you can first. I had a can of tomato V8 that was really nasty so I took it back up, shook it up, lined it up on the swing, shot it, BAM, V8 explodes everywhere.

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Ooh, sounds fun... Next time I get a can of soda, I think I'll not drink it, but shoot it instead! Might take a few shots, but I'm pretty sure I can pierce it with my G22 eventually.

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It does sound fun, I've only shot empty soda cans and water bottles.

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Blah, empty things are no fun.

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Shoot steel plates at close range with no eye protection. That is fun!

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I've only ever shot empty soda can's before I had an electric gun to measure fps on my modded guns. =p

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How do you do that?

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You use a Coke can and shoot through different parts of the can. I think if your gun can shoot though the sides it does 300-350 and if it shoots through the bottom it does 350-400 if I remember right. It's the poor mans chrono. :lulz:

It's actually kinda worthless.

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What range do you do this at?

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Just a few feet away.

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he said he sell it and he buys the real thing and im asking him what real gun he bought

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I think you do it at point blank, but I don't think you are going to loss much FPS doing it a few feet away either.

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I don't know what range I shoot my cans with.. maybe 40-50 feet away? possibly more. Also, I tore up another rockstar can full of water today.

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Ordered a plate carrier with a shitload of pouches. Kinda gonna make my own CIRAS vest. It'll be fun. :)

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Just went out airsofting (didn't get my new vest yet though due to some shipping complications). Here's a couple pics.

I'm on the left.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._1558660_n.jpg

And now I'm on the right. :o

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-..._3134585_n.jpg

I decided to just wear my riggers T-shirt instead of my ACU jacket, in return, my friend wore a pink headband during gameplay.

Also, this is from last time... Where I look more badass.

http://hphotos-snc3.fbcdn.net/hs567...._1743386_n.jpg

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Is that a SCAR? I can't really tell.
Im gonna order an ASGI G4-A3 soon and a KSC USP compact for a pistol. I have a small fetish regarding the USP Compact :p

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Yes sir. :-D Did the paintjob myself (it used to be all black).

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Cool! About time someone started an airsoft discussion here. I love playing, every time I come home on leave I get a huge group of friends together to play for an entire day. At least one day. Thing is most of them can't get their own guns, so its up to me to arm most of them. Hence I have an extensive collection, aquired over a period of seven years. Its cool because it gives me plenty to choose from as well. I can't always remember the company that made the ones I have but all told I have;

Tokyo Mauri - Thompson.

Tokyo Mauri - MP5A5 w/Madbull XM203

Some shotgun from AirsoftGI, don't remember make/model, but it shoots three round burst using 3 inner barrels.

Bolt action sniper form Evike, again, can't remember make/model

A&K - M60

Tokyo Mauri - RPK

Tokyo Mauri - Spring powered Desert Eagle

Marushin - M2 Carbine (gas powered)

Classic Army - M249 "Para" SAW

UTG - M16A4 w/scope (works very well)

SCW - "Government Issue" Colt .45 (Gas powered)

Again, forget the company, but My pride and joy: Barret M82.

Oh, and an airsoft claymore.

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What make?

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What do you mean?

Btw, I got my new vest today and it PWNS!

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Aha! I found a pic of one of the Berettas that I used to have! It's not a great pic, but it's some sort of idea of what it looked like.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4.../Picture34.jpg

Heh... I'm pointing it at the back of my sister's head... I wish the gun still worked and that I was still in possession of it... But I don't really want possession of it as badly as I want that jacket and ring, both of which belonged to my dad, from his military days.

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I believe he means brand, i.e. CA, JG, Echo1.

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Oh, yea.

It's an Echo1. Lot's up upgrades though. Systema gears and bore-up kit and a G&P piston. Some more, but that's all the important stuff.

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Sold all my airsoft ages ago. had a Sun M249 though

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star m249?