Are you talking about science describing Biblical events?
There is scientific evidence of Biblical events, but some theories cling onto science too much.
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Originally Posted by Sedistix
Wait a second. Are you implying that they're correct in this policy?
Nope. The opposite actually. I see where I said what you thought, though.
I was thinking back to some theories I've heard that try to strictly wrap science around Biblical events (which aren't scientific) instead of trying to explain natural phenomena with Biblical events (which, again, aren't scientific). On both ends, you get crazy theories.
Think about it. How does a huge flood create gaps in the land below it? That erosion would have to be a supernatural event itself.
No, I don't believe that Noah's flood had any part in the Grand Canyon's creation. It's not impossible (if you account for supernatural events), but very highly unlikely.
No. My analogy was trying to use science to describe something that goes beyond scientific logic.
God doesn't have to obey scientific laws to do things.
For this case, the flood may have caused the canyon to be formed, but there would be no purpose in God to do that, and it's impossible scientifically for floodwater to create a canyon that fast no matter how deep the water was or how fast the water is flowing. You can do the math for the erosion rate for water coming in fast enough to cause the great flood, but we don't know exactly how deep the flood was (over Mt. Everest, but how much more), and that would be a key factor in explaining this scientifically. But if God did this, he wouldn't do it scientifically, so the whole argument fails altogether.
So, scientific theory doesn't support a rapid erosion of land on that scale. I'd imagine that those events don't even happen on the sea floor (or we would notice them).
The only way creationism could explain the creation of The Grand Canyon would be via a direct supernatural event.
Who knows, it could have came into effect after your visit? Various sites date the news between 2006-8. Pretty wide gap actually. It could also be that the policy was discarded before your visit.
Your problem is your sources. It probably was a rumour in the more conservative blog community and jummped from one to the other, hence the high amount of casual non-factual sources. It's a pretty common effect in all blog communities. Which basically forces you to look for the original source when referring it anywhere.
Also there is absolutely no sense in floodwater of any amount making such a massive cannyon in such a short time. If there really were these massive amounts of water, they'd spill out and we'd be witnessing wider, more delta like erosion patterns. Since the current needed to create such a deep incission in such a short time calls absolutely staggering amounts of water.
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Last edited by Junk angel; March 26th, 2010 at 07:21 PM.
Your problem is your sources. It probably was a rumour in the more conservative blog community and jummped from one to the other, hence the high amount of casual non-factual sources. It's a pretty common effect in all blog communities. Which basically forces you to look for the original source when referring it anywhere.
Again, the book is true. The idea that the rangers can't tell people the true age is false. From the link you posted.
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It also argues that the Canyon was cut over a short period of time. Really wacky stuff – and definitely not the scientific view that the Park interpreters are trained to tell the visitors.
No. My analogy was trying to use science to describe something that goes beyond scientific logic.
God doesn't have to obey scientific laws to do things.
For this case, the flood may have caused the canyon to be formed, but there would be no purpose in God to do that, and it's impossible scientifically for floodwater to create a canyon that fast no matter how deep the water was or how fast the water is flowing. You can do the math for the erosion rate for water coming in fast enough to cause the great flood, but we don't know exactly how deep the flood was (over Mt. Everest, but how much more), and that would be a key factor in explaining this scientifically. But if God did this, he wouldn't do it scientifically, so the whole argument fails altogether.
So, scientific theory doesn't support a rapid erosion of land on that scale. I'd imagine that those events don't even happen on the sea floor (or we would notice them).
The only way creationism could explain the creation of The Grand Canyon would be via a direct supernatural event.
Ok, if you take the Bible as the word of God that makes sense. If you take the Bible as the word of some camel drivers who lived a few thousand years ago using science (such as archeology) can be used to explain events thoguh. If there is a story about a devastating flood that destroyed the whole world you have to consider that the whole world as those people knew it was probably limited to the Euphrates/Tigris region. Then there is the problem that stories told from one generation to another have some exaggerations for dramatic effect, so instead of the whole world you probably just had an event that destroyed a few cities. That sounds pretty much like a natural disaster such as a tsunami. The idea that a natural disaster is the punishment of some angry god isn't exactly new either. And then there was perhaps some guy who survived the disaster (the ancient equivalent to those "dude dug out of rubble 3 weeks after earthquake" stories you hear on TV), so they keep making up stories about him as well. In the end you have an awesome story that a religious person can use to make some moral statements. If you're bad, God will drown you. If you're clever, you are prepared for natural disasters etc.
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