What is a good Valentine's Day present?

[Mastershroom]

That's a pretty pathetic excuse, if you ask me. Every girl I've dated got out of that shy phase within a month, including one Jewish girl. How long have you two been together?

[Stratopwn3r]

Originally Posted by Zamamee

That's a pretty pathetic excuse, if you ask me. Every girl I've dated got out of that shy phase within a month, including one Jewish girl. How long have you two been together?

a year and 3 months.

[Mastershroom]

And how much of her have you seen since then, out of curiosity?

[Destroyer25]

Originally Posted by Stratopwn3r

She's scared to show me her body.

Is that because she has low self esteem and she thinks shes fat? Or does she just not want to have sex?

[Nittany Tiger]

Originally Posted by Inyri Forge

Chocolate.

If a girl doesn't like chocolate then she's not a real girl and you don't want her.

So you hate chocolate?

[>Omen<]

LOL, funny how I was thinking earlier when reading about the chocolates that they can come back to haunt you when your girlfriend, turn wife, turn 200 lb overeater, can't manage to keep her hands off them.

@Strat,
On the whole sex thing, I haven't read all the posts, but many women are resistant to it not out of embarrassment or self consciousness, but out of worry that the guy may be more interested in their body than the non physical part of them, like Zam sounds to be. They read that as being shallow and non committal. How dare any guy accuse a women of not putting out as if she NEEDS an excuse. Just move on and look for someone else that's as loose as you if that's your mindset. If you want more than that however, you have to know the female you're with well to know what approach is going to work, and it can be hard to tell.

Some women may not seem to obsess over the little romantic nuances, but most every female wants at least some level of it, and when they don't see it they become concerned about your sincerity. A big part of romance is patience. I know that sounds old fashioned and some may think 21 months is long enough if not too long, but ask yourself this. Do you think if you'd been more romantic with her she'd not been so hesitant? If you hesitate at all with that question, you may already know the answer.

To a large degree, the stereotypes about men not wanting to show and talk about their feelings while women do is true. In a primordial sense, men are still of the hunter mindset, and women of the gatherer. A female would be more likely to talk with her female friends in private about where you'd taken her, what gifts you'd bought her, etc. Here you are on a public forum asking how to get into her pants. Totally different mindsets, and I dare say if she knew what was being discussed here it might take you even longer to gain carnal knowledge of her, if you had any success at all.

Bottom line, all you need decide is if you want one cheap slut after another, or a woman that's worth spending a lot of time if not a lifetime with. One takes little if any time and commitment, the other takes much patience, understanding, and yes, that "C" word some guys fear most.

[Dragonelf68]

Originally Posted by Stratopwn3r

a year and 3 months.

wat. That is very, very suprising. Have you atleast been able to feel her up? Or gotten something from her? (you know what I mean)

[Mastershroom]

Originally Posted by >Omen<

the guy may be more interested in their body than the non physical part of them, like Zam sounds to be.

Begging your pardon, but I've been with my current girlfriend since 2007, and I have no intention of breaking up. Believe me, if the sex was all there was to it, we'd have split a looooong time ago, because frankly, that would get boring. It's not my fault she just also happens to be a beautiful girl.

But hey, thanks for calling me shallow.

[Stratopwn3r]

Originally Posted by Zamamee

And how much of her have you seen since then, out of curiosity?

Waist up.

Originally Posted by Destroyer25

Is that because she has low self esteem and she thinks shes fat? Or does she just not want to have sex?

She doesn't like her body.

Originally Posted by >Omen<

LOL, funny how I was thinking earlier when reading about the chocolates that they can come back to haunt you when your girlfriend, turn wife, turn 200 lb overeater, can't manage to keep her hands off them.

@Strat,
On the whole sex thing, I haven't read all the posts, but many women are resistant to it not out of embarrassment or self consciousness, but out of worry that the guy may be more interested in their body than the non physical part of them, like Zam sounds to be. They read that as being shallow and non committal. How dare any guy accuse a women of not putting out as if she NEEDS an excuse. Just move on and look for someone else that's as loose as you if that's your mindset. If you want more than that however, you have to know the female you're with well to know what approach is going to work, and it can be hard to tell.

Some women may not seem to obsess over the little romantic nuances, but most every female wants at least some level of it, and when they don't see it they become concerned about your sincerity. A big part of romance is patience. I know that sounds old fashioned and some may think 21 months is long enough if not too long, but ask yourself this. Do you think if you'd been more romantic with her she'd not been so hesitant? If you hesitate at all with that question, you may already know the answer.

To a large degree, the stereotypes about men not wanting to show and talk about their feelings while women do is true. In a primordial sense, men are still of the hunter mindset, and women of the gatherer. A female would be more likely to talk with her female friends in private about where you'd taken her, what gifts you'd bought her, etc. Here you are on a public forum asking how to get into her pants. Totally different mindsets, and I dare say if she knew what was being discussed here it might take you even longer to gain carnal knowledge of her, if you had any success at all.

Bottom line, all you need decide is if you want one cheap slut after another, or a woman that's worth spending a lot of time if not a lifetime with. One takes little if any time and commitment, the other takes much patience, understanding, and yes, that "C" word some guys fear most.

It isn't a big deal. And I was the one who wanted the committed relationship. On our second date, she refused to let me walk her home, because she didn't want her parents to know she was out with a boy AND so that it would be easier to break up with me. I am also the more romantic in the relationship (that might sound dicky.) Also, if I ask her to do something, even none sexual things, like ask her parents about halloween or a ski trip. She freaks out at acts like it's a big deal.

Originally Posted by Dragonelf68

wat. That is very, very suprising. Have you atleast been able to feel her up? Or gotten something from her? (you know what I mean)

Yes and no.

[Mastershroom]

That just seems very weird...sounds like she either has some sort of commitment issues (I've had to deal with this sort of thing), or maybe she's just not that into the relationship.