Michael Jackson Dead...?

[AlDaja]

Originally Posted by NiteStryker

They obviously thought micheal jackson was the messiah of our time.

Perhaps, people are feeble, we cling onto people and ideas as inspiration and hope to inspire and uplift our lives. So for some he would be a kind of messiah, why is that necessarily a bad thing? Many in this nation have imprinted this notion on Obama. Past icons have done the same for others, Martin Luther King Jr., Gandhi, Mother Teresa, Jesus even. Other than Christian mythos, other cultures and faiths do not see Jesus as a Messiah. They see him as I see all the others I mentioned, someone ahead of their time, inspirational, humanist in the best possible means, flawed…but in the end human, no more no less.

[bud389]

Originally Posted by NiteStryker

No, it doesnt. There were multiple accusations over the years and if he was so innocent I dont know why he would pay them the hefty sum of 25 million.

Its ok tho, with enough money, anyone is innocent of anything.


Messing with children, living on a wave of perscription-strength pailkillers, dangling kids off a balcony, sharing bed with kids, giving them "jesus juice"....need I go on?


See above.

Then how come no one seemed to care nor notice them? False i presume?! Most likely... And i have never heard of any other "accusations", only that one and only that one was on the news and in Michael Jacksons BIOS, so either your making that up, or they were false.

Messing with children? Lol, a little "General" aren't you? And that is also not a factor as their hasn't been shit proven about such things.

The painkillers were for his plastic surgery and skin condition, are you really that unsympathetic that you need to hate someone for using drugs because of a condition? That's like me saying someones an asshole cause their taking tylenol, it doesn't even make sense.

That was massively distorted by the media, he didn't "DANGLE" his child from a balcony, the news made it out to be like he was holding the kid with one fricken hand by the arm, 3 feet away from the balcony, it's total BS, it was more like "Leaning" his child, 3 inches from the balcony, jesus. That's really also the ONLY thing you can really "accuse" him of, and even that isn't a strong enough reason to hate someone who's tried to live by good morales and was abused physicaly and mentally by his father, very harshly may i ad.

The amount of disrespect and ignorance about Michael Jackson is almost appauling.

[NiteStryker]

Originally Posted by bud389

Then how come no one seemed to care nor notice them?

At least one person noticed them (me). And people nowadays dont care about it because they are blinded by their "micheal can do no wrong" notions just because the guy is dead now.

1993 accusations

Overview of Child Molestation Accusations

So at least 2 people 10 years apart accused him of this shit.

Originally Posted by bud389

False i presume?! Most likely... And i have never heard of any other "accusations", only that one and only that one was on the news and in Michael Jacksons BIOS, so either your making that up, or they were false.

You can presume anything you want, doesnt mean it didnt happen.

Originally Posted by bud389

Messing with children? Lol, a little "General" aren't you? And that is also not a factor as their hasn't been shit proven about such things.

So giving kids "jesus juice" (which has been speculated to be alcholic of some kind) is ok with you? What about a grown ass man sleeping in a bed with children that were not his own? That is ok to you? Anybody in america who did that shit would be called a "creep", or more accurately, a "sick fuck", but you give Micheal a pass because.......?

Originally Posted by bud389

The painkillers were for his plastic surgery and skin condition, are you really that unsympathetic that you need to hate someone for using drugs because of a condition? That's like me saying someones an asshole cause their taking tylenol, it doesn't even make sense.

Hmmm...this doesnt look like tylenol to me...

The powerful sedative Diprivan was found in Michael Jackson's home, a law enforcement official said Friday.

Diprivan is an anesthetic widely used in operating rooms to induce unconsciousness. Also known as Propofol, it's administered intravenously and is very unusual to have in a private home.

That doesnt seem like a drug he needed because of any condition...

Originally Posted by bud389

That was massively distorted by the media, he didn't "DANGLE" his child from a balcony, the news made it out to be like he was holding the kid with one fricken hand by the arm, 3 feet away from the balcony, it's total BS, it was more like "Leaning" his child, 3 inches from the balcony, jesus.

WTF DIFFERENCE DOES THAT MAKE? 3 inches vs 3 feet....



Do you think thats acceptable parental behavior!?!?!

Again....any other parent would have their kids taken away from them. He got a pass because he can look like hes walking on the moon and wear a glove on 1 hand.

Originally Posted by bud389

That's really also the ONLY thing you can really "accuse" him of, and even that isn't a strong enough reason to hate someone who's tried to live by good morales and was abused physicaly and mentally by his father, very harshly may i ad.

And the kids in Neverland were molested sexually by Michael, very often may I add.

Accusations are sometimes proven false. Im telling you what happened with Michael and "it seems like a good idea to hold the kid over a balcony several stories high".

If I was a parent, my child would not be on a balcony period, let alone holding him while I was on a balcony, let alone holding him OVER THE DAMN RAIL.

Originally Posted by bud389

The amount of disrespect and ignorance about Michael Jackson is almost appauling.

The amount of naive "Micheal is God"-thinking individuals is embarrassing.

[bud389]

Originally Posted by NiteStryker

Hmmm...this doesnt look like tylenol to me...



That doesnt seem like a drug he needed because of any condition...




Do you think thats acceptable parental behavior!?!?!

Again....any other parent would have their kids taken away from them. He got a pass because he can look like hes walking on the moon and wear a glove on 1 hand.


And the kids in Neverland were molested sexually by Michael, very often may I add.

If I was a parent, my child would not be on a balcony period, let alone holding him while I was on a balcony, let alone holding him OVER THE DAMN RAIL.


The amount of naive "Micheal is God"-thinking individuals is embarrassing.

lol "questinoable sedative prescription drugs", yes, michael jackson is cartelling and abusing prescription drugs even though he has a rare skin disease and has undergone much plastic surgery, oh how wrong of him to do what his doctor is telling him to do!

I never said it was good parental behaviour, but what about those millions of parents not controlling thing childrens behaviour to let their children to grow up to be assholes and pricks, such as the ones who drove the kid at V-Tech to shoot up the school, why don't you complain about them? Well? Their faults are much more devastating and harmful to others more so then a father trying to share his child with the world, although in a wrong way, he meant for good intentions.

Lol, okay, you know that as fact right? When he won the case against the one child because of the money and they could never find enough evidence to prove anything the other times, lol, yea, go ahead, keep it up, cause it's still not getting you anywhere in this arguement.

Well, that's the difference between you and him, your the type that puts safety locks on paper holders so your child doesn't get a papercut, hes the type of father that's more daring. Well, WAS more daring, you don't have to worry about him being a father anymore since he's dead now.

I'm not one of those cult fallowing fans of his, but i do believe he got way more BS then he deserved, he got crucified within our culture. And you still can't deny the fact he's had the #1 best selling album of all time and has been an innovation within the music industry for a long time.

Honestly, anyone who can't find a song of MJ's that they ATLEAST can't sit through without grovelling, has no taste in music.

[nazoa93]

Originally Posted by bud389

Well, that's the difference between you and him, your the type that puts safety locks on paper holders so your child doesn't get a papercut, hes the type of father that's more daring. Well, WAS more daring, you don't have to worry about him being a father anymore since he's dead now.

"Daring" and "Stupid" often go hand in hand. How is him being "daring" helping the kid at all? Is he accomplishing anything by putting the kid on the other side of the rail? I doubt he sat on the rail with his legs on the other side and "leaned" over the edge, so why would he do that to his kid who won't even remember him doing it in the first place?

And your last sentence, a misguided attempt to guilt trip? All it did was make your whole post sound like you moping for no reason.

One thing I want to say, people die, why should Jackson get special treatment? Yes he made music, and a lot of people liked it. But why should we really care? We didn't know the guy personally, all we did was hear his music. People making MONEY off of his memorial is ridiculous. The only thing the people going will remember is his music, which they can listen to at any time thanks to the internet, CD's and ipod's. Music changes with time anyways, move on, he's not the best, and no one will ever be. Everyone has their opinions, so no one can EVER please everyone.

[bud389]

Originally Posted by nazoa93

"Daring" and "Stupid" often go hand in hand. How is him being "daring" helping the kid at all? Is he accomplishing anything by putting the kid on the other side of the rail? I doubt he sat on the rail with his legs on the other side and "leaned" over the edge, so why would he do that to his kid who won't even remember him doing it in the first place?

And your last sentence, a misguided attempt to guilt trip? All it did was make your whole post sound like you moping for no reason.

One thing I want to say, people die, why should Jackson get special treatment? Yes he made music, and a lot of people liked it. But why should we really care? We didn't know the guy personally, all we did was hear his music. People making MONEY off of his memorial is ridiculous. The only thing the people going will remember is his music, which they can listen to at any time thanks to the internet, CD's and ipod's. Music changes with time anyways, move on, he's not the best, and no one will ever be. Everyone has their opinions, so no one can EVER please everyone.

Do fathers accomplish anything when they take thing kids hunting (at a questionably young age)? Do fathers accomplish anything when leaving their children alone with large amounts of toys (some of which they could probably swallow). And mabye daring was the wrong word, perhaps Carefree? Not everyone is so uptight as everyone else, mabye he was just so happy he couldn't control himself. Alls that matters is that the kid is fine, it would've been a problem if he had dropped him, and that's all i'm going to say.

[Nemmerle]

Originally Posted by bud389

Do fathers accomplish anything when they take thing kids hunting (at a questionably young age)?

Yes, it's a bonding activity, the child learns some field craft skills, and it's fun.

Originally Posted by bud389

Do fathers accomplish anything when leaving their children alone with large amounts of toys (some of which they could probably swallow).

Sometimes, yes. Children do enjoy toys. As long as it's not done to excess there's no real problem with it.

Originally Posted by bud389

And mabye daring was the wrong word, perhaps Carefree?

I think negligent is a more accurate description.

Originally Posted by bud389

Not everyone is so uptight as everyone else, mabye he was just so happy he couldn't control himself.

Being unable to control yourself doesn't excuse anything.

Originally Posted by bud389

Alls that matters is that the kid is fine, it would've been a problem if he had dropped him, and that's all i'm going to say.

Ah I see, so if he'd pointed a gun at the kid and pulled the trigger and the gun had simply failed to go off it wouldn't matter as long as the child was fine? Intentions matter, the attention you pay to things matters.

[Warborg]

Originally Posted by bud389

even though he has a rare skin disease

That's what happens when you mix plastic with flesh

Originally Posted by bud389

such as the ones who drove the kid at V-Tech to shoot up the school, why don't you complain about them? Well?

If they were being praised as some great person/people , you would hear me complain about them too.

Originally Posted by bud389

Their faults are much more devastating and harmful to others more so then a father trying to share his child with the world, although in a wrong way, he meant for good intentions.

There was NO good intention with that, He knew it would get headlines...thats why he did it. If he wanted to show off the kid, go downstairs and out the door WITH the people.

Originally Posted by bud389

Lol, okay, you know that as fact right? When he won the case against the one child because of the money and they could never find enough evidence to prove anything the other times, lol, yea, go ahead, keep it up, cause it's still not getting you anywhere in this arguement.

The first one was paid, if he was innocent why not wait and see if the court set him free, although in the second one they were blinded by his fame. "It's Michael he's so sweet and famous...he can't be bad... he's innocent"

Originally Posted by bud389

Well, that's the difference between you and him, your the type that puts safety locks on paper holders so your child doesn't get a papercut, hes the type of father that's more daring. Well, WAS more daring, you don't have to worry about him being a father anymore since he's dead now.

How dare you speak of daring and compare it alongside my child. I'LL NEVER do anything to risk my child being hurt. Anyone who does(MJ) doesn't deserve to have a child

Originally Posted by bud389

I'm not one of those cult fallowing fans of his, but i do believe he got way more BS then he deserved, he got crucified within our culture. And you still can't deny the fact he's had the #1 best selling album of all time and has been an innovation within the music industry for a long time.

I can't deny facts that he did have the #1 best selling album of all time

Originally Posted by bud389

Honestly, anyone who can't find a song of MJ's that they ATLEAST can't sit through without grovelling, has no taste in music.

So, you are saying if I like Country music or Heavy Metal that I have no taste? Sorry, I find it hard to believe only pop music has taste

[NiteStryker]

Originally Posted by bud389

lol "questinoable sedative prescription drugs", yes, michael jackson is cartelling and abusing prescription drugs even though he has a rare skin disease and has undergone much plastic surgery, oh how wrong of him to do what his doctor is telling him to do!

No. The drug diprivan is a different case. He ordered his doctor to perscribe it to him. If the doctor said no, he was fired.

Originally Posted by bud389

I never said it was good parental behaviour, but what about those millions of parents not controlling thing childrens behaviour to let their children to grow up to be assholes and pricks, such as the ones who drove the kid at V-Tech to shoot up the school, why don't you complain about them?

Because thats not the object of this discussion, and I dont think the parents were to blame for a college-age kid loosing his mind and shooting up a school.

Originally Posted by bud389

Well? Their faults are much more devastating and harmful to others more so then a father trying to share his child with the world, although in a wrong way, he meant for good intentions.

Good intentions / bad judgement doesnt help anything.

Originally Posted by bud389

Lol, okay, you know that as fact right? When he won the case against the one child because of the money and they could never find enough evidence to prove anything the other times, lol, yea, go ahead, keep it up, cause it's still not getting you anywhere in this arguement.

You are in a mere handful of people in the world that believe in his complete and total innocence even tho there is enough evidence. Thats denial.

Originally Posted by bud389

Well, that's the difference between you and him, your the type that puts safety locks on paper holders so your child doesn't get a papercut, hes the type of father that's more daring.

You fool dont even act like you know me. Having your kid endure a scraped knee to build up toughness is the other side of the spectrum from holding him over a rail to show him off to people.

Originally Posted by bud389

I'm not one of those cult fallowing fans of his, but i do believe he got way more BS then he deserved, he got crucified within our culture. And you still can't deny the fact he's had the #1 best selling album of all time and has been an innovation within the music industry for a long time.

If charles manson had 13 number 1 hit records, he would be out of jail as well. Im not denying he did some cool shit musically, I will defend to the death my statement that he had alot of talent and potential that was destroyed by his downright disturbing acts with children.

Originally Posted by bud389

Honestly, anyone who can't find a song of MJ's that they ATLEAST can't sit through without grovelling, has no taste in music.

Groveling? No. I would put anything that John Williams has created well above any micheal jackson music.

Originally Posted by bud389

Do fathers accomplish anything when they take thing kids hunting (at a questionably young age)?

I personally dont condone shooting small animals to prove your a badass (if you sneak up and kill the animal with your bare hands then you are a badass, but any monkey can pull the trigger on a gun), but taking your son out to do anything is bonding time. By dad taught me how to ride a bike, took me to the park, played catch, flew kites, all the fun shit you do as a kid. And he didnt dangle me off a balcony.

Originally Posted by bud389

Do fathers accomplish anything when leaving their children alone with large amounts of toys (some of which they could probably swallow).

Well a good father wouldnt leave a 9 month old with a bunch of legos.

Originally Posted by bud389

And mabye daring was the wrong word, perhaps Carefree? Not everyone is so uptight as everyone else, mabye he was just so happy he couldn't control himself. Alls that matters is that the kid is fine, it would've been a problem if he had dropped him, and that's all i'm going to say.

So the end justifies the means when childrens' lives are put in danger because the parent was negligent?

You would be the carefree parent that lets your kid fuck around with a metal fork and an electrical wall socket.

[Warforger]

Wouldn't that be more akin to tripping actually? People make mistakes, we can't really expect someone not too.