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Patriotism and Nationalism are the same thing.

To some extend yes, but patriotism is the milder and also healthier form. That's not even mentioning ultra-nationalism.

As to your comment about a dictator and never walking out.
You'd be inviting getting yourself deposed. A dictator must, even more than a democratically elected government or accepted royalty, reafirm his position amongst the population.
Not going out is a sign of weakness and generally some element of the state will move in - the military for instance.

Also it's not good to assassinate dictators, you will want them in front of a court in order to legalise your own government.

Notice that successful dictators were rarely the in bunker 24/7 type of people.

As to the OP.
Feels more like the guy was braindead even before his injuries just not literary. Since not many people will think of something like this.

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Even if the guy had some vendetta against the government or the powers to be, the Dutch royal family, like other European royal families, have been relegated to national symbols rather than a meaningful role in the government. So I don't think he was motivated by that.

So looking at this man, as others have stated, he clearly had some issues which were worsened by his job loss. The royal family's procession was the most immediate things he could focus his rage on, that is the royal family, and ends up killing innocent people who wanted nothing more than to just enjoy a good day and see the royal family pass on by.

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A video reconstruction based on eyewithness reports (as the justice department doens't want to comment on ongoing investigations):

NOSJOURNAAL - Animatie van het drama op Koninginnedag

Translation of narrator:

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Sattelite footage comments:
The "Jachtlaan" (Hunterlane), a long straight road that ends at the road that gives access to Palace "Het Loo". On both sides (upper class) residential areas, from which several roads end on the Jachtlaan. One of those roads is the "Bosweg" (Forrestroad/Woodsroad). From there Karst Tates tries to turn left into the Jachtlaan. There are no fences. But there are two officers who sent him back.

Crossing footage (with car turning on crossing):
A bit later the black Susuki again approaches from the Bosweg into the Jachtlaan. This time at high speed. He drives around the officers and continues to speed away, without stopping, straight to his target about 500 meters down the road.

Footage of the main crossing (with truck and trafficlights):
There, just before the crossing, there is a single row of crowd barricades, before that the people stand a few lines deep/thick in the turn to the "Zwolseweg" (Zwol roasd, the road to the town of Zwolle), where the access road to Palace Het Loo is.

Sattelite footage:
From the Jachtlaan you can partially look into the "Loolaan"("Loo lane"). From there the bus with the royal family turns at walking speed to the right into the zwolseweg.

Main crossing footage:
Eye withnesses say that the black susuki drives at atleast 100km/h towards the crossing. At high speed he drives through the crowdbarriers and through the crowd.

Real footage of the event:
On the images/footage you can clearly hear two collisions/bangs. (Pause). It's unclear if Karst Tates, who wasn't wearing a seatbelt, was capable of accerating or to steer. After passing the crossing the car completes the last tens of meters still at atleast 50 km/h. At first he is unconsious, but a bit later he is said to have told an officer that he wanted/tried to hit the royal family.

He probably used the radio broadcasting reports to know when the bus was making the turn at said junction just before entering the palace.

It was running 20 minutes late, a good sign as it indicates the family did kept strictly to the planning and just had fun, it's "expected" from them not to tict too tidely to the scedule. =p

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What a retard, he didn't even bring explosives.

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I guess you don't know much about our culture.
I am not really into culture. Its mostly just luxury and not really needed. Survival of the Queen and royal family should come before any of those things. Especially in these troblued times.

Culture is what makes us who we are. Regardless of where. Every place in the world has culture, and often many, many hundreds of cultures depending on where you are. Without culture there would be nothing special (that was not natural) anywhere in the world. Culture should come faaaaaaarrrrrr before security. It's almost the same argument as privacy vs. freedom. I dunno where you are from but if you are from USA, you will recognize this argument. Dunno where you stand on it so whatever. Sorta killed my own point on that there. Anyway, al that's just my thoughts. Not looking to make trouble since I don't know you.

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Patriotism and Nationalism are the same thing.

Just had to say, patriotism is blind nationalism. Nationalism is actually knowing what you are talking about. A person can love their country cause they are told to (common in the US), or they can love it cause they actually have things they value about it.

Anyway, to the main point of thread. It's too bad to hear about the events of Queensday. Is there any more news about the bastard who did it? I will admit I have not read the second page yet. Lemmeh get on that. :)

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What a shame. I'd love to see more countries where security is so relaxed that something like that can be done. The US hasn't been able to in 100 years.

It's also a shame that we probably won't even see more then a 10 second clip of it in the US since it's not about some celebrity pregnancy or fluffed up report about something that just wastes tax dollars like the congressional investigation about steroid abuse in baseball players. (I wish I was joking.)

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Are we still having as bad of censors on the news here in America since the office change of Bush to Obama? I have been out of touch on stuff like that for a while, due to having an 18 credit semester of college and having no time to stay up on news. Now it's summer and I'm trying to get back up to speed on things. Have they made our news and media a little less censored or bullshitted to hell?

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Originally Posted by n0e (Post 4882907)

That is quite a shame. It might be due to the size of Denmark, but we rarely ever get news from anywhere but other nations.

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Originally Posted by Darkness Knight 15 (Post 4882875)

Anyway, to the main point of thread. It's too bad to hear about the events of Queensday. Is there any more news about the bastard who did it? I will admit I have not read the second page yet. Lemmeh get on that. :)

Just read the second page. :D And/or check the FH OT forum:

http://forums.filefront.com/fh-off-t...-do-fuchs.html

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Originally Posted by n0e (Post 4882907)

If it hasn't surfaced yet I'm afraid it never will. It did surface on the CCN site as a devoping story and then quitly disappeared of the main page. Not sure if the CNN (Int) channel broadcasted anything. I don't watch that crap. =p ;)

I tried in the past, but within a few minutes I went "ugh, they call this news? It looks like a bloody gossip show added with some drama, a lost reporter wandering in and topped with tons of flashing lights and things which may have been meant to attract my attention but just totally threw me off, made me sick and swapped to the Dutch Public (News) Broadcasting and/or BBC ASAP. I was like "what happend to the single news reporter with a screen next to him, a tape is rolled, news guy introduces next topic, tape is rolled, repeat, other dude shows the weather, then first guy wishes the audience a good evening, end (about 20-25 minutes in all).

Seriously: Studio with guy+desk+screen and reporters that tape some event and discribe what happend without resorting to paddeling a boat in 2 centimeter deep water for added drama. That's all you need.
Oh and make it state funded so they don't have to care too much if on a certain evening either 10 or 10 million people are watching...

Edit: Does www.journaal24.nl work for you people? It shows the latest news NOS (Dutch public news agency) broadcast (they air a new bullentin every (few) hours roughly speaking. Just for those who are curious (and are fluent in Dutch and various other nations, we don't dub when foreigners are on screen =p ) . Note that this is an digital broascasted which has the added (silly) newsbanner which isn't there in normal broadcastings.

If you wathc now you get to see the coverage of Liberation Day. :)

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Didn't know such a day existed.

Thanks for the violent videos.