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| Having now returned for a while from Pendleton, I actually have some time on my hands to visit GF now and again. On one of my recent visits I opened a tread entitled "why do we regret" or something like that. Seems like an interesting question to me, worthy of discussion for disscussions' sake. But the thing that really struck me about what the author posted was at the end of his post Quote:
Why is it in today's world whenever anyone introduces a topic about something remotley intellectual, intelligent or deep, we feel the need to excuse ourselves for being "weird". Stop apologizing for being smart, and actually using that most valuable organ; your brain. This goes right up along there with people apologizing for things that they can't even control, or apologizing for being annoying (which actually IS annoying) every time they ask a question or make a request. Seriously, when did it become abnormal to think about things, ourselves and the way we work? Or anything else? I want to see no more comments of this nature. If you've had a deep or intellectual thought, something you want to discuss or shed light on, DO SO! And without excusing your intelligence and insight!
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Welcome to hell on earth. Modern life is Rubbish. (and "hi") |
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| well, hello and welcome to GF. Indeed you are right, this is exactly what distresses me. I myself have always been something of a nonconformist simply because of my hatred for everythingh you just pointed out there. My real concern though is, why and when did it become the norm to be an idiot?
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How else does one explain Britney Spears? Around the time that global communications and instant news became the norm, so adhering to the thoughts and ideals put forward by the instant comms became the acceptable way to behave. I laugh because all we're doing with our conformist approach to human society is dooming ourselves to failure. Darwin was a non-conformist. Newton was a non-conformist. Einstein was a non-conformist. Curie was a non-conformist. Hawking was a non-conformist. Anyone who has offered anything towards the development and continuation of the human race has been a non-conformist. The people we rely upon for our development, for our advancements, for our future, are the very people we seek to subjugate with our desire to be clones of the latest pop sensation. I wonder often why the Champions of Humanity, the people who still think even bother to put their theories and thoughts forward for criticism. Why set oneself up for the ridicule of one's peers? These people are generations ahead of their peers. Darwin died over 200 year ago but still forms the very foundations of modern concepts of evolution. He died a heretical figure. My greatest fear is that our Darwin (or Einstein or Hawking) is ridiculed into submission by the idiot masses and our next great step on the journey of conscious development is never realised. Alas I see this is our future. Pop Culture will always 'win out' vs. independent thought. A single voice is oft drowned by the cumulative volume of idiocy. |
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| zeez, you might do good to bring yourself to the pub during your stay. you seem like someone who is willing to put in energy to make long and convincing posts, so you would like it there. and i agree with the posts you are making. i am nostalgic of the 60s and 70s, and even the early 1800s, though i wasn't even alive. i just wish i was born in different times. being a baby boomer would be the shit man....
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| Very good point you made, Mirage. It is all about fearing that you will be ridiculed into submission by people who base life upon there own opinions only and have no room to grow in the brainal region. It is not the fault of anyone because that is how people are conditioned to grow. My mom watched older movies when I was growing up so now I like them whereas someone else not raised on them probably has a better chance of not liking the older movies. It is the fault of no one since your parents were raised in a similar fashion. If you are non-conformist then you have been raised on the fringes of society and you wanting to explore new areas of life comes natural. You are not even a rebel because you probably do not even realize that you are thinking 'strange' thoughts. This stuff comes naturally and if natural is bad then might as well dress yourself up as Santa and go on a shooting rampage. Welcome to the forums, Zeez. I am looking forward to more of your posts.
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| I don't think that talking about "deep" stuff like that really makes you intellectual... I think it's more out of being curious and wanting to hear other people's opinions on their actions and feelings toward something. Not caring or already having an understanding of something like that doesn't make you unintellectual. I also don't think he was "excusing" himself for being deep, sometimes it's weird when someone posts a topic like that in the wrong section.
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| Non conformity is laughable. So many people make it their mission to go "against the grind". To be different, rebellious. Well, so have many other people. Congrats, you just conformed to the non conformists. Why do people care so much about trying to stand out?
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We generally think of intellectuals as people who devote their lives to 'smart' things, but people are not different enough to separate them into groups such as 'intellectuals' and 'non-intellectuals' because we all use our brains to do 'smart' things at some point. Quote:
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| thats an excellent point aero, so in reality the true noticeable difference between the people is weather or not they try to "hide" their "intellectual moments" in an effort to conform. Which is why people who do NOT do so feel compelled to "excuse" themselves for not doing it. I think it is the greatest tragedy in human society as a whole that the mainstream to which we are supposed to conform calls for the suppression of intellect in order to be "cool".
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| i sort of agree with nikes point. a lot of people wanna be rebels becasue it seems so glamorous and stuff. however, when a new fad comes around, they fall into it just like most everyone else. i myself am not really a rebel when it comes down to it, i like things to be very structured, but do think that individualism and questioning things are fine, so long as they don't interfere wtih the good way of life.
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| Just remember that without non-conformists society cannot progress at all. If everyone is thinking the same things then where will that lead anybody? I think one of the biggest examples is music.
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However, I'm not saying it's for every situation where you need something that you should be like this. It... depends.Quote:
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Also to refer to the point that zeez made about pop-culture winning, that is the need for non-conformists to be "rebellious" as so many refer to it as. They need to stand out and make a shout. That's the only way people are gonna recognize. I know many people who respect Einstein, Hawking and Newton even if they don't really care about intellectual matters. I think this is another point that is important for one to actually make an impact whether people like it or not. It is the amount of influence they wield. Look at the people zeez has mentioned. Their teachings are even prevalent and present today no matter how many years it has been since they have died (if they have). That is the reason that I think they are still big figures and quite reveared (how is that spelt?). |
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I'm not saying this is an intellectual conversation at all... it isn't! I've had much deeper conversations over things than what a meaning of a word means to me... but I guess some of you must not have experienced that yet. I'm so intellectual right now. I guess what I'm really trying to get at is that this is in the wrong forum... I suppose none of you noticed the hyperlink in my last post.
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Take, for example, the Church of Satan. One could claim this is a society of non-conformity. They have rejected the beliefs and ideals of modern society and embraced the most carnal of man’s manifestations. But is this non-conformity? No, it isn’t. It’s simply another set of rules and another set of clones following those rules. To be a true individual in the sea of humanity that surrounds us is to reject labels and tags and reject belief systems. I am neither liberal, conservative, Christian, Moslem or Atheist. Not pro-life or pro-choice. I am Zeez. I am me. I reject society’s attempts to box me into their system for it is a system of control above all else. It’s difficult to fully identify non-conformity as most people who are different are lost in a sea of uniformity. It’s needle in haystack syndrome. The biggest group with the biggest voice shouts loudest and, naturally, the individual is drowned out and goes unnoticed. For some it is ideal. For others it is immensely frustrating. I abhor the elitist who believes they are so different that people should follow them and conform to their way of thinking. A true individual does not need the validation of his peers. A true individual simply is. |
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