I seemed to have misplaced my schedule 1 narcotic drugs...

[Sh0wdowN]

Originally Posted by MrFancypants

Don't do drugs, the risks outweigh the benefits.

You generalize, as not all drugs have the same effects or risks.
You impose your opinion as if it was a fact. It is evident that to some people the effects outweigh the health risks (for whatever reason), otherwise they wouldn't do it.

On the other side, I don't do drugs, and I don't really tolerate anyone in my closer social circle to use most drugs consistently. There are two drugs I put outside the category of 'most drugs', namely alcohol and marijuana. I am a bit more lenient towards these, however I do not condone consistent use of either, which I happen to look down upon. Marijuana users are generally more comfortable to be around than those intoxicated with alcohol, though, but I generally don't like anything that alters behavior or just the person.

I don't drink, but I have tried alcohol. Nowadays I only take a sip of various drinks, as I'm interested in the taste, but I leave it at that. I have tried salvia extracts, but it didn't do much for me, even though my two friends felt like the world skewed and distorted (facial expressions stretched out and froze, things falling sideways), and that was only a .25gram 5x extract dose each.

The reason for trying the drug is because it's a hallucinogenic drug. I would probably try mushrooms or LSD, because I'm interested in hallucinogens, but only to satisfy my baseless arrogance that I can see through hallucinations, since I cannot fathom how people are unable to rationalize their way through it. I suppose it's to inflate my ego that I'm better than most others, while in actuality it'll only help to stabilize it, since even though I probably have a fair bit of willpower, there's still the physical aspect of it. Don't get me wrong, I willingly let myself be submerged in the hallucination, because otherwise it'd wouldn't make any sense to do it. The point would be to break out of it after it has started, or not break out per se, but to rationalize everything and *know* that it is imaginary. So, yeah, I'd try hallucinogens to broaden my horizon and understand/investigate hallucinations (thus people who suffer from it, such as the schizophrenic).

Only a one-time deal, however, since I'm not interested in any more than that.

Maybe a bit more in-depth than what you were asking for, but, yeah.

[MrFancypants]

Originally Posted by Sh0wdowN

You generalize, as not all drugs have the same effects or risks.
You impose your opinion as if it was a fact.

Just posted my opinion, that you get all defensive about it is your problem.

It is evident that to some people the effects outweigh the health risks (for whatever reason), otherwise they wouldn't do it.

I know a few smokers who admit that the risks of smoking outweigh the benefit but they smoke anyway. Addicted people don't act rationally. Often they will come up with excuses or justifications for their behaviour as it is easier than the effort to stop an addiction.

[Jeffro]

Originally Posted by MrFancypants

I know a few smokers who admit that the risks of smoking outweigh the benefit but they smoke anyway.

I smoke cigars for the taste. I could quit and not smoke on for years if I wanted to, but why? That'd be like stop drinking beer because it is known to cause liver damage. I'll take my chances.

Addicted people don't act rationally. Often they will come up with excuses or justifications for their behaviour as it is easier than the effort to stop an addiction.

The same goes for people who are obsessed with video games and rationalize that it is good for their eye/hand coordination.

[Vasili]

I used to do glue and crap, all the bad chemicals. Yeah, don't fucking do that.

[Sh0wdowN]

Originally Posted by MrFancypants

Just posted my opinion, that you get all defensive about it is your problem.

I said myself I don't do drugs, so it's not being defensive per se; I also said I agree with you for my part. It was just that you told people not to do it because of your opinion, and I'm pretty sure most people can make up their own opinions on the matter, especially if they were to post in this thread.

And it's still a generalization.

I know a few smokers who admit that the risks of smoking outweigh the benefit but they smoke anyway. Addicted people don't act rationally. Often they will come up with excuses or justifications for their behaviour as it is easier than the effort to stop an addiction.

And yes, but there are non-addictive drugs that people continue to use, so physical/psychological addiction isn't the case, but it's more what Jeffro said.

[Badha1rday]

Originally Posted by Jeffro

The same goes for people who are obsessed with video games and rationalize that it is good for their eye/hand coordination.

Well, shooters are.

[Mastershroom]

^Side-scrollers, too. RTS and RPG though, not so much.

Anyway, other than "legal" drugs (alcohol in its various forms), I have tried marijuana (weed, pot, herb, etc.), hashish (hash) and I overdid my Vicodin prescription when I had my wisdom teeth pulled.

The weed was pretty good. My first time was two summers ago in Croatia with my cousin. Now I pretty much do it whenever I have access, which isn't all that hard. I have a pretty sweet arrangement because a friend of mine who deals doesn't have a car, and he repays me in product for giving him rides. I enjoy the effects. I don't think I feel it as extremely as some others say they do, though.

Hash was a lot like weed as far as the effects, but it's a whole lot smoother going down; there isn't that scratchy burning feeling you get with weed.

[Nemmerle]

If I was a lawyer I'd be in tears right now.

Originally Posted by MrFancypants

I know a few smokers who admit that the risks of smoking outweigh the benefit but they smoke anyway. Addicted people don't act rationally. Often they will come up with excuses or justifications for their behaviour as it is easier than the effort to stop an addiction.

Even if they have a bias in seeking the justification if they can justify it then it doesn't become any less rational to do so. A policeman has a bias in seeking to find you guilty, but if he does so it doesn't become invalid simply because it was his job to do so. You’re either guilty or you’re not, either justified or not; the bias with which one approaches the issue is irrespective of such things.

[MrFancypants]

Originally Posted by Nemmerle

Even if they have a bias in seeking the justification if they can justify it then it doesn't become any less rational to do so. A policeman has a bias in seeking to find you guilty, but if he does so it doesn't become invalid simply because it was his job to do so. You’re either guilty or you’re not, either justified or not; the bias with which one approaches the issue is irrespective of such things.

I didn't say that the justification of a drug addict always makes sense. A person with lung cancer who continues to smoke doesn't act very rationally, even if he thinks of an excuse that lets him get away with it.

Originally Posted by Jeffro

I smoke cigars for the taste. I could quit and not smoke on for years if I wanted to, but why? That'd be like stop drinking beer because it is known to cause liver damage. I'll take my chances.

Good for you, but not everyone has the same willpower and people tend to overestimate their abilities in such situations.

The same goes for people who are obsessed with video games and rationalize that it is good for their eye/hand coordination.

Sure, videogames can be addictive as well. In my experience it takes less effort to stop such an addiction though.

Originally Posted by Sh0wdowN

I said myself I don't do drugs, so it's not being defensive per se; I also said I agree with you for my part. It was just that you told people not to do it because of your opinion, and I'm pretty sure most people can make up their own opinions on the matter, especially if they were to post in this thread.

And it's still a generalization.

I understand that you don't like being told what to do, but I'd risk that minor annoyance for the chance of influencing some unexperienced person who comes here and sees mostly a glorification of potentially dangerous drugs.

I am aware that people will make up their own minds anyway, just as I assumed that people will know enough about drugs to spare me from writing a detailled account of how each drug differs from one another in their potential to ruin one's life.

[SpaZy]

First smoked wee din grade 7, my mate found out his dad was growing pot and stole a leaf and we all smoked it in the park, didnt really smoke for 2 years, but i now smoke weed every now and then.
2 of my mates just started growing pot so in some way i am affiliated with that as i go with them daily to check out the plants. hahaha

but other then alcohol and marijuana Ive never done any hard drugs, pills and needles are not for me.