The New Pledge of Allegiance
 

I found this on another forum.

WRITTEN BY A 15 yr. old SCHOOL KID IN ARIZONA :

Since the Pledge of Allegiance
and The Lord's Prayer
are not allowed in most
public schools anymore
Because the word "God" is mentioned....
A kid in Arizona wrote the attached

NEW School prayer :
Now I sit me down in school
Where praying is against the rule
For this great nation under God
Finds mention of Him very odd.

If Scripture now the class recites,
It violates the Bill of Rights.
And anytime my head I bow
Becomes a Federal matter now.

Our hair can be purple, orange or green,
That's no offense; it's a freedom scene.
The law is specific, the law is precise.
Prayers spoken aloud are a serious vice.

For praying in a public hall
Might offend someone with no faith at all.
In silence alone we must meditate,
God's name is prohibited by the state.

We're allowed to cuss and dress like freaks,
And pierce our noses, tongues and cheeks.
They've outlawed guns, but FIRST the Bible.
To quote the Good Book makes me liable.
We can elect a pregnant Senior Queen,
And the 'unwed daddy,' our Senior King.
It's "inappropriate" to teach right from wrong,
We're taught that such "judgments" do not belong.

We can get our condoms and birth controls,
Study witchcraft, vampires and totem poles.
But the Ten Commandments are not allowed,
No word of God must reach this crowd.

It's scary here I must confess,
When chaos reigns the school's a mess.
So, Lord, this silent plea I make:
Should I be shot; My soul please take!
Amen



If you aren't ashamed to do this, please pass this on.



Jesus said, "If you are ashamed of me,
I will be ashamed of you before my Father."


Not ashamed. Pass this on

Honestly, the first thing to come to mind is: "Boo fucking hoo. :rolleyes:"

He's talking like anyone found praying is thrown in jail and will be shot the next morning and that Voodoo is a mandatory course in High School. Just because public schools don't teach scripture (as they shouldn't, parents can send their kid to a christian school if they want that) doesn't mean it's the end of the world, and liberty.

Also, was it not required to do it?
In the pledge of allegiance, it is mentioned that god is present or something right?
Thus the atheists, ca not have their hair purple as he says.

And in a way, I doubt this was written by a kid.

Nothing more than strongly biased and one-sided poem by naive pro-conservative kid.

Ahaha. No.

Just no.

Why would anyone even repost this? Bleurgh.

I second that, this is just some-one getting all dramatic because the system no longer endorses their religion as the single "correct way".

Sounds like a fellow Arizonan to me, but I don't know if I quite buy the 15YO bit.. Either way pretty interesting.

wtf is this crap, altho im not American, i still think this "new pledge of allegiance" is the stupidest crap ive ever heard, hes obviously bought up in a situation where god is everything and without god there is nothing.
i believe in god but still, this poem as relander said is basically bias and one sided

It probably was not written by a kid but you guys have missed the point completely.
It is clearly a statement about how a countries own values, traditions and culture are getting lost due to political correctness.

No, its a statement about how he wants HIS values to be the only ones supported by the system, and how much better than everyone else he is.

Dropping the word "freak" pretty much damned his "statement".

Finally someone gets it.

I'm no US expert, but was the US not built on a foundation of the separation of Church and State? Is there not an amendment which states this? If so, surely it's a good thing for God to be absent from official state declarations, not for political correctness but for the reasons the founding fathers set out?

The founding fathers also set out to build a nation with people that was allowed to say any damn thing they pleased, and thought. If you dont like the words god in pledge of allegiance just dont say it. It dont matter to me either way. I just dont want people telling me what I should be allowed to say or not to say.

It smacks of a chain letter, but the logic certainly isn't far removed from that age group(myself included). Amy, if something is OK'd by the government, even if people still can choose not to say it, it is an endorsement of one set of beliefs over another. I'm for removing God from the pledge of Allegiance and from the court room.

You are allowed to pray and say whatever the hell you want, but since public schools are part of the government/state, the pledges taken there should be free of any religious taint.

Have fun, folks. Words spoken from the heart of a born and raised Arizonan.. And an American in despair.

I have to agree with this more than just about anything else stated in this post.. I really don't think it was written by a kid dispite my AZ joke (Hey, I live there). The fact is that we (As American Cultures) are losing so much to government policy that it's sickening.

The US was founded on christianity and the biggest problem today is that there are too many damned amendments poking rights away (more than bringing about new ones) a little bit at a time. You want some good reading that's slightly off topic, check out the Patriot Act.
God shouldn't be directly taken into account in EVERY POLITICAL DECISION, but we have to have some morals and if we're just making up our own than we're no better than a terrorist. Politically correct? I've said it ot my teachers and I'll say it to you.. Fuck political correctness.. LIVE! And chose life! You own life! It is not man's place to judge man.. That's God's job so fuck it.

I agree full heartedly.. If you don't like it, don't do it.. This is America, you're free to do (or refrain from doing) anything you want! As per the latter of your post.. I don't like it either.. Did you know it's a misdemeanor to say "For Mother Russia" in New York? Even as a joke... You get cited.

The problem with that thought is that you'll always have human instinct getting in the way.. If you leave it in, the Christians are happy, but the Mormans, Jewish, and Atheists are ticked.. You take it out, the Atheists are happy, but the Christians, Mormans and Jewish are ticked.. You put a fkin (no offence intended) Star of David ont he flag, the Jewish are happy, but the Atheists, Christians and Mormans are pissed.. There is a bible in almost every hotel room in this (seemingly) God forsaken country.. Why? There are crosses in front of houses and state buildings alike all accross the country.. A large portion of Government parties pray before elections and during critical times.. Religion is here.. You can't stop it.. Just as you can't stop the fuel economy and global warming, you can't stop it.

DEAD. FUCKING. WRONG.

Stop saying that! If you bother to read anything written by the Founding Fathers beyond the first lines of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, you'd see that many of them were Deists, not Christians, and that many of them were greatly concerned at religion ever having a role to play in American politics.

Article 11 of one of the first treaties written by the United States, the Treaty of Tripoli, states the followingJust stop saying that! Stop saying that! Stop saying that! You have no idea how infuriating it is to see that constantly written! Banging my head against a iron wall seems to have more effect!

Sorry if this offended anyone, I'm just sick of hearing/reading people state that.

Lol, the "rewritten by 15 year old (right...) allegiance" made me laugh, it's so sad. :rofl:

It's just a bunch of words, what exactlly it is that you say to pledge your allience to something doesn't matter. I could plesge my alliance to whatever on my believe in half eaten peanutbutter sandwhiches. If that is what I believe in and makes my pledge feel meaningfull to me then that's all that matters.

TZhat being said, by default the pledge shouldn't refer to any higher being (god, magic power, ...). That way you don't "force" people to pledge allegiance on something they don't believe in.

I the Dutch militairy they let you pick between something like "so I pledge to god all mighty" and "so I promise".

Who cares?

Excuse me for being reaise IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM where that was taught. I've seen way too many things in this countries early government to believe that there wasn't an intent of having SOME religion in the government facets of this country.

What public school system is that? My schooling barely taught me any history, let alone history with religious skew.

Do not put your fate in the hands of any organization designed to serve the lowest common denominator, let alone the public school system.

Actually if all religion was banned, I'm sure it would even alot of things out. This "15 year old" seems to think that it's only christianity that are stopped from expressing their faith. Why don't you come to England where people don't give a flying fuck what you think because we all got past the point where religion is important in everyday life.

hehe, i love this country. The constant balancing act between being an overbearing puritanical nation of God-Fearing pilgrims and also the worlds largest drug consuming, smut producing arms providers must make for interesting political debates.

Wait, are you suggesting that those two don't go hand in hand?

Praise the lord and pass the ammunition brother

That's what this country consists of.. Rich-ass politics payed for by the highest bidder to run the organizations put together for the lowest bidder.

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If all religion was banned suddenly.. You'd have an 80%+ of Americans in an uproar.. You can't simply ban something. There were almost a trio of riots here in my home town when the No Smoking law got passed adn that wasn't even a ban.. Just a restriction.

And this affects my statement how? Just because you use something doesn't mean you should rely solely on it.

You just don't get it I guess.. Do you realize that religious discussion is actually allowed nationally in schools? Teachers can actually discuss it.. Doesn't mean that atheist parents have to like it, but the fact remains that religion has not in any way been taken out of our government and government systems country-wide. It actually helps in some areas.. Sad thing is that you prolly won't be able to have a preist give you your last rights in the hostpital some day cause "It might offend someone".. All I'm sayin is that this country WAS founded on religious principals with god's name in mind.. And it is still prominent in several areas of government.. For how long? Who knows, but it aint causin harm to anyone who claims to have any sanity.

Oh, so those that are offended that their government favors one form of belief over another is now insane?

Religious discussion isn't the problem. Religious endorsement is. By stating "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance, you are endorsing a monotheistic religion.

A priest can't give you your last rites soon? What Limbaugh-scented crap is that? If you are identified as Catholic, then I'm sure they'd consider it ok to do so. I personally would be pissed off that some organization I don't belong to is writing me off as dead, and that their writing me off as dead might influence the staff into not putting as much effort into saving my life as possible, because, "hey, he's had his last rites, now all we're doing is stopping him from going to God".

Please give me the data that states religion helps government and government systems country wide.
I guess that post I made, what with that quote from the Tripoli Amendment, was completely ignored by you.
I hope that changes. The interests of any faith don't always coincide with those of the United States government, or the people it governs. Example: Abortion may be bad in the eyes of Gawd, but now that a generation has gone by with legalized abortion available, you'll see that crime rates have dropped.(Thanks, Freakonomics!) I suppose it isn't exactly moral to go "gee, it seems that a lesser amount of unwanted , abused, neglected children means a lesser amount of criminals, so abortion must be ok!" in your world.

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Atrusino, please, pay attention to the news. After 24 hours, ask yourself, "How the hell could the USA have been founded on the Christian religion?"

A) That was likely not written by a 15 year old. It is possible, but unlikely
B) It is in no way at all illegal to pray in class. Never has been, never will be. Any student can pray, silently or aloud (provided he is not a disturbance to the class), and even invite other students to pray with him or her at any time. The school, however, cannot organize prayer sessions for all its students. So the entire point of the 'new school prayer' is worthless.

The sorry thing is that students are often shunned by classroom authorities. I don't know if this is a problem in other areas of the country, but even I got shit a few years ago for prayin in class before the AIMS.

From students, or from school administrators?

School personnel (Teacher and 'Director')

Were you praying loudly, or silently?

Silently.. But I was setting a bad example to my fellow students.... " "

All the more reason to take a neutral stance, NO religious endorsement of any kind in schools. Let the parents and children decide for themselves.

As for your state buildings being covered with religious stuff, that's just a product of (willful) ignorance really, since the people authorizing their placement apparently didn't know what their own country is about.

How so? You can do whatever you want as long as it does not infringe upon the rights of others. Granted there are seperate school rules which must be followed, but they certainly can't force you not to pray if you aren't being disruptive.

my school stills says the pledge with "under god", nothing has changed here, if people dont want to say they wont, and allot of kids dont bother to even stand during the pledge, so it wouldnt change much if they did take it out

i see no reason to keep it in the pludge, it was started during the cold war, its not something that has been there since the dawn of the nation or anything like that

It's more like pass the lord and praise the ammunition. ;)

That's just an extreme example that will never happen and you know it.

Yes, but not Christianity. Most of the founding fathers were deists, not Christians.

It affects the legality of euthanasia, abortion, morning after pill, birth control, homosexual marriage/civil unions, etc.

I guess I'm just an insane atheist who eats abortions, worships Dr. Kevorkian, and wipes my ass with the bible...:rolleyes:

Apparently not cause I sure got a LOT fo flak for it.


Man they're pullin our rights away one little bit at a time.. I don't think it'll ever stop.

[quote=Jeffro;3967638]Yes, but not Christianity. Most of the founding fathers were deists, not Christians.[quote]
Either way.. It is obvious that there was some intent of religion playing a small roll in government.. Can anyone tell me what Seperation of Church and State REALLY means?


Exactly.. And people say that's a bad thing... Liberal pricks.

Eh.. No hard feleings either way.. We have a right to believe in whatever the hell we want.. Or nothing at all. I just wish Atheists would stop making so many damned anti-christian movements. If they targeted religion in general I'd have no beef.

WHAT! You complain that people aren't allowed to pray in school and you complain about people getting abortions, taking the pill and have gay marriage.

Perhaps you didn't notice Christianity is dominant in the western world and is therefor causing the most grief to "these people", public schools don't have rituals involving Satan, and our governments are not making decisions based on Islamic scripture.

Agreed 100%. If you dont support it, you dont have to participate.

If a Muslim student has to pray to Mecca 4x a day Im not going to be offended if he whips out his prayer rug and does his thing. Im not going to be offended if I walk in the restroom and see a kid washing his feet in the sink because his religion tells him he has to.

I'm a Christian, I don't see why anyone would be offended by somebody praying, HELL, I go to school, if you ask me I'm more offended by the people who insult others on a daily basis, rather than the ones who have a different Religious preference than you.

I don't really care, though; I don't like people who pray out really loud like an attention whore anyways, and trust me; I know plenty of people like that, if you want to pray, do it silently, you don't even have to close your eyes, as far as I'm concerned.

I fold my hands, bow my head and close my eyes.. And if anyone has a problem with it.. Bite me. The biggest problem in schools these days is that everyone is way too opinionated and judgemental.