It probably was not written by a kid but you guys have missed the point completely.
It is clearly a statement about how a countries own values, traditions and culture are getting lost due to political correctness.
I'm no US expert, but was the US not built on a foundation of the separation of Church and State? Is there not an amendment which states this? If so, surely it's a good thing for God to be absent from official state declarations, not for political correctness but for the reasons the founding fathers set out?
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The founding fathers also set out to build a nation with people that was allowed to say any damn thing they pleased, and thought. If you dont like the words god in pledge of allegiance just dont say it. It dont matter to me either way. I just dont want people telling me what I should be allowed to say or not to say.
It smacks of a chain letter, but the logic certainly isn't far removed from that age group(myself included). Amy, if something is OK'd by the government, even if people still can choose not to say it, it is an endorsement of one set of beliefs over another. I'm for removing God from the pledge of Allegiance and from the court room.
The founding fathers also set out to build a nation with people that was allowed to say any damn thing they pleased, and thought. If you dont like the words god in pledge of allegiance just dont say it. It dont matter to me either way. I just dont want people telling me what I should be allowed to say or not to say.
You are allowed to pray and say whatever the hell you want, but since public schools are part of the government/state, the pledges taken there should be free of any religious taint.
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Originally Posted by George Bernard Shaw
No man ever believes that the Bible means what it says; he is always convinced that it says what he means.
Have fun, folks. Words spoken from the heart of a born and raised Arizonan.. And an American in despair.
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It probably was not written by a kid but you guys have missed the point completely.
It is clearly a statement about how a countries own values, traditions and culture are getting lost due to political correctness.
I have to agree with this more than just about anything else stated in this post.. I really don't think it was written by a kid dispite my AZ joke (Hey, I live there). The fact is that we (As American Cultures) are losing so much to government policy that it's sickening.
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I'm no US expert, but was the US not built on a foundation of the separation of Church and State? Is there not an amendment which states this? If so, surely it's a good thing for God to be absent from official state declarations, not for political correctness but for the reasons the founding fathers set out?
The US was founded on christianity and the biggest problem today is that there are too many damned amendments poking rights away (more than bringing about new ones) a little bit at a time. You want some good reading that's slightly off topic, check out the Patriot Act.
God shouldn't be directly taken into account in EVERY POLITICAL DECISION, but we have to have some morals and if we're just making up our own than we're no better than a terrorist. Politically correct? I've said it ot my teachers and I'll say it to you.. Fuck political correctness.. LIVE! And chose life! You own life! It is not man's place to judge man.. That's God's job so fuck it.
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The founding fathers also set out to build a nation with people that was allowed to say any damn thing they pleased, and thought. If you dont like the words god in pledge of allegiance just dont say it. It dont matter to me either way. I just dont want people telling me what I should be allowed to say or not to say.
I agree full heartedly.. If you don't like it, don't do it.. This is America, you're free to do (or refrain from doing) anything you want! As per the latter of your post.. I don't like it either.. Did you know it's a misdemeanor to say "For Mother Russia" in New York? Even as a joke... You get cited.
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You are allowed to pray and say whatever the hell you want, but since public schools are part of the government/state, the pledges taken there should be free of any religious taint.
The problem with that thought is that you'll always have human instinct getting in the way.. If you leave it in, the Christians are happy, but the Mormans, Jewish, and Atheists are ticked.. You take it out, the Atheists are happy, but the Christians, Mormans and Jewish are ticked.. You put a fkin (no offence intended) Star of David ont he flag, the Jewish are happy, but the Atheists, Christians and Mormans are pissed.. There is a bible in almost every hotel room in this (seemingly) God forsaken country.. Why? There are crosses in front of houses and state buildings alike all accross the country.. A large portion of Government parties pray before elections and during critical times.. Religion is here.. You can't stop it.. Just as you can't stop the fuel economy and global warming, you can't stop it.
Stop saying that! If you bother to read anything written by the Founding Fathers beyond the first lines of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, you'd see that many of them were Deists, not Christians, and that many of them were greatly concerned at religion ever having a role to play in American politics.
Article 11 of one of the first treaties written by the United States, the Treaty of Tripoli, states the following
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"As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.
Just stop saying that! Stop saying that! Stop saying that! You have no idea how infuriating it is to see that constantly written! Banging my head against a iron wall seems to have more effect!
Sorry if this offended anyone, I'm just sick of hearing/reading people state that.
Lol, the "rewritten by 15 year old (right...) allegiance" made me laugh, it's so sad.
It's just a bunch of words, what exactlly it is that you say to pledge your allience to something doesn't matter. I could plesge my alliance to whatever on my believe in half eaten peanutbutter sandwhiches. If that is what I believe in and makes my pledge feel meaningfull to me then that's all that matters.
TZhat being said, by default the pledge shouldn't refer to any higher being (god, magic power, ...). That way you don't "force" people to pledge allegiance on something they don't believe in.
I the Dutch militairy they let you pick between something like "so I pledge to god all mighty" and "so I promise".
Stop saying that! If you bother to read anything written by the Founding Fathers beyond the first lines of the Declaration of Independence and Constitution, you'd see that many of them were Deists, not Christians, and that many of them were greatly concerned at religion ever having a role to play in American politics.
Article 11 of one of the first treaties written by the United States, the Treaty of Tripoli, states the following
Just stop saying that! Stop saying that! Stop saying that! You have no idea how infuriating it is to see that constantly written! Banging my head against a iron wall seems to have more effect!
Sorry if this offended anyone, I'm just sick of hearing/reading people state that.
Excuse me for being reaise IN A PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM where that was taught. I've seen way too many things in this countries early government to believe that there wasn't an intent of having SOME religion in the government facets of this country.
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