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Hmm, so, if one bought directly from China, how much would 20 or so of these M14 replicas cost, or how much would Type-56s or SKSes cost?

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Will be recieving one of these 2 in a few years


1897 Winchester



One of the original Savage Over/Unders (Believe it's from 1944, I'm probably mistaken though)

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If they were made after 1986 you can't buy them.

Playing the Devil's Advocate here, lets say you have an M14 copy circa 1985. First you are going to have to pay the shipping fee for getting the Rifle across the Pacific. Second, you are going to have to pay a $400 tax because it is a select-fire weapon. Thirdly, you are going to have to pay the seller whatever they want; because pre-1986 is a limited supply, expect at least $6-10,000 dollars. And the last thing, you are going to need to pay a transfer fee from a federal firearms license holder so the seller can legally ship the rifle to the FFL and have them transfer it to you.

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I'd also like to get my hands on one. :naughty:
However I'm not too fond with by buying via internet.

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Yes I agree...:uhm: They are hard to find at gun shows. I'd have to take out a morgage payment to get one because of the price lol:lol: I still want one though. Hopefully one day.:rolleyes:




Ill be getting one of these soon. 9mm version with the law enforcement modification. Stainless steel, standard sights, and hopefully I'll be able to find a matchweight or compensator in 9mm. If not Im going to get one machined. Might cost a pretty penny but its worth it to me.


http://www.lonewolf3d.com/images/Gal.../USP_MATCH.jpg

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I prefer my pistols to be clean lined and stock but i use my stuff for CCW. go for it dude. USP's are the bee's knees

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So, if one was to procure these weapons through less-than-perfectly legal means, how much would they cost? Purely hypothetical, of course.

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My dad won't allow me to own firearms but I defintly want to start collecting once I'm out of the house. What would you guys suggest as a sort of "starter" gun? I imagine something in .22? I mean in terms of both price and ease of maintenance/storage/legal problems.

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I started off with .22s at around 5 years old. Jumped to .45 ACP and .30-06 after that. Here are a couple from my collection, I really need to take pictures.

Enjoy :)

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...nSt-Cyr/No.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...dnobayonet.jpg
http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q...eeenfield1.jpg

If any of you are interested in seeing more, I'll take pictures. Theres another No.4, 4 Colt 1911s, a Webley Mk.IV, several lugers, some more SMLE's.

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Heh, for price, check your Sunday paper for the local sporting goods store. Mine always has a Mosin-Nagant for sale for under $100, and last week has a Yugo Mauser 8mm, and some Polish weapon, for under $200 each. Keep in mind this is in CALIFORNIA. You, living in a state that surely is less anal-retentive about firearms, should find something cheaper.

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I've seen Nagants go for as cheap as 60$ with nothing extra, or 90$ with bayonet, sling, and ammo pouches. Not sure what sort of legal framework I would have to go thorugh to get a Nagant. I suppose I'll have to look into Michigan laws specifically.

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I started with my Mauser. One the gun was pretty cheap, two, surplus ammo is extremely inexpensive, and three it's a badass gun :)

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Is it 8mm? If so where do you get your ammo? :lookaround: It costs me $20 for 24 Remington 8mm Mauser rounds...:uhm:

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If you are going to get a USP, at least get it in .45. 9mm is just a waste.

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WW2 surplus is easy to get. all you need is the cash and a drivers license

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I want it in 9mm. Dept. won't authorize anything bigger than 40SW. Besides 9mm holds more rounds and with a compensator it should feel like im shooting a pellet gun. Or at least a .22. Means easier aiming / more accuracy. ;)

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What's your Dept's stance on .357 Sig? That .40SW necked down for a .357.

I've got a P229 in .357 Sig for CCW, and it's like a f*cking cannon!

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Im not sure i'll ask. But I prefer .9mm for many reasons. If it's smaller than 40SW or equal size i'd think it would be fine.

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Question: If Halo really happened and the Covenent landed on earth, what are the weapons you would use against them? Make them practical, and realistic. And really think about the enemy's you would encounter... weaknesses ect.

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You put a lot of stock in the compensator my friend. The 9mm is already a gentle round especially for as heavy a pistol as the USP. what WILL happen with the comp though is the guns inherent balance will be removed, its sight alignment displaced, parts will wear down faster, ammo usage will become more stringent in terms of pressure, over flash during night shooting and no holsters will fit your piece.

Theres a reason only sport shooters use them. they arent practical for duty use

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I know an Officer who works in a different county than mine and he has a USP45 with a compensator. He has complained about the guns balance a few times...

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See? The weapons aren't designed (as in, primary goal) to be used with a compensator, so they are balanced fine to start with, assuming the gun manufacturer knows what they are doing.

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Answer: CBRN: Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear Weapons. It would be the end of the f*cking world as we know it.

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The ones that were found at Saddam's?

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I've been looking through various Michigan laws but anytime it mentions firearms it refers only to pistols. Anyone happen to know offhand Michigan laws regarding rifles, such as if I wanted to purchase a Mosin-Nagant? ORm yabe have a link to said laws. What sort of licenses I would have to get(if I could even get one at my age), if needed, and those kinds of things.

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Most states' laws are pretty good when it comes to rifles, especially when it comes to those "harmless" bolt-actions.:rolleyes: Are you going to use it for hunting, plinking, competitive shooting?

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I'd think that there would be no laws about Mosin-Nagants that wouldn't apply to Remingtons or something like that.

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Most likely I would just be taking it down to the range to fire off. Though this is assuming I can convince my parents to allow me to purchase one, of course. For now I'm making do with my Daisey pellet gun, which is almost as powerful as a .22 anyways.

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If you want a decent .22 LR, I'd recommend a Ruger 10/22. You have many optional things you can do w/it & it's very accurate. You can find them in just about any pawn broker. They're very common & the pawn price's will be better than a gun store.

Those interested in M14's: They're very easy to build yourself. Get an Armscorp receiver & the rest are just parts that anyone can buy. I've built a few & owned a few. I'm not a big fan of that particular weapon, but it does what it's supposed to do.

You can't order direct from a foreign mfr, even if you have an FFL. You'll still need an import/export license.

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Afterburner, I am sure most rifles are legal in Michigan. All of the states have similar laws regarding firearms. It just depends on your age.

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I know that, I'm just wondering if there are any particular licenses I have to get. I was talking to my dad and he says he thinks to get hunting rifles in Michigan(which I'm fairly certain almot any rifle would be considered over here) you just have to take a gun saftey class first.

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well here in connecticut they don;t require you to have entything if you are just a marksman/shoter but you do have to be over 18 for bolt-action,and 21 for the semi-auto. there is a federal law on mg's/smg's and enty thing full-auto.but if you want to be able to carry a conseled wepon(pistol/guns in general)you have to take a class and be over 21.As for foregin they have a tendancey to clog up and disfuction i go with USA only and it's good im just no a fan of blowback from falty recevers. just my oppinon.

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Haha, I will sell you guys guns :D Cheapy Cheapy almost free :D

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um ok well what are they i can't be gettin sh*t now!:smokin:

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Isn't it the Israelis that use modified 10/22s equipped with red-dots and suppressors for dispersing crowds of pissed off rock-throwers? Or is that just a myth?

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We have a ak-47 a riot gun which is a 8 shell shotty, several sawed off shottys all of course 12 gauges. Umm we have a 30-30 carbine i have a semi auto 12 gauge goose gun lol thats what i call it i use it for goose and dove. Then we have a colt .45 and a glock 9mm i love the .45 its a badass. Then i have pump action 410 shotty that i like to blast squirrels with. Also i have a Piranha G3 Paintball gun thats been modified with electronic trigger and a 16inch armelson stealth barrel. Then i have a m4 airsoft gun its a cheapy but it hurts like a mofo if you can get hit by it since the accuracy isnt there lol. O ya i also have 2 gas masks for tear gas or whatever i have no clue where we got them but i doubt we will ever use them. Anyways thats how we roll down in Texas.

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Don't buy Ruger.

They don't care about gun owners, don't fight for gun rights, and are only in business for the money.

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were can i get a German 1944 KAR 98 Sniper?

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an authentic one? be prepared to get reamed in the ass my friend. A broke dick non shooter will cost you $1500 easy. A shooter about $3000 and an accurate matched one about $5000

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I've seen those go at a local gunshow for about $2000, the K98 with both scope variants; High turret and whatever the claw one is called.

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that kinda cash i'd just buy another Weatherby. for 2 bills it better be able to shoot the cock off a dust mite history or no...

suprisingly, Mosin Nagant snipers arent all that expensive, just hard to find. probably because so many were made.

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i want a shooter type KAR98 with a LR scope(LR=long range)

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Wait, the Mosin-Nagant plain or the sniper version?

Seeing as how the weapon is almost the same, and the sniper versions are just ones that seemed more accurate, or have a heavier barrel, couldn't you try your luck with a normal Mosin? I am guessing that many of the ones you can pick up for under $100 were never fired.

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to RoboGamer:
Adding a long range scope to a shooter K98 is like adding a turbo kit to a winnibago. Even the best war issue K98's arent going to be worth much at over 300 yards and beyond that you'll be lucky to put lead on target. what you CAN do however is get a russian rearsenal K98 for less than 100 bucks, get it drilled and tapped, and put a Tasco scope from Wal-Mart on her. Thats probably an good setup and will allow you to accurately (about 3 MOA) shoot out to 100 to 300 yards.
If you HAVE to roll with it though. Get the Yugo M48/a Mausers. Mitchell has a shiat load of them in unfired condition, its a faithful replica of the German K98 (i think its superior) and will fit any sight you want to put on there.
the best shooting K98's your likely to see:http://www.mauser.org/rifles/german_k98/index.htm
M48's for the budget minded shooter aiming for performance over name:
http://www.mauser.org/rifles/hist_m48/index.htm
bit harder finding scopes and mounts, ebay has a few, most collectors are out and the ones available demand a premium. so if you have $2000 to blow on an old scope, here ya go:http://cgi.ebay.com/German-WWII-ZF41...QQcmdZViewItem




I could be getting mixed up by what you consider long range though, my best iron and glass is a Weatherby .270 with a Swarovski PV and i can put a hole through dinner plate at about 700 or so yards off hand.

To Crazy:
Ive seen plenty of original sniper Mosins with the bent bolt handle and original mounts. whats hard to find are period sights for the bastards in good condition. The Sovs were all about sniping so they had shiat loads of them made. (they were easy to find 3 years ago anyway. they might be a bit more rare these days like the non greek M1's) heres a good reference on them in general http://www.mosinnagant.net/sniper%20...ke-snipers.asp

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NEVER drill any kind of old war-issue rifle, ESPECIALLY a German Mauser. The value of it is completely ruined. A 98k is much too nice of a weapon to put a piece of shit scope mount on it. If you are going to do that, buy a yugo M48 or an SKS. You can mount scopes on those WITHOUT having to drill/tap the receiver.

Russian Capture 98ks are more than $100 bucks Roaming East, so I don't know where you are getting your figures from. They typically range from anywhere from $250-$400 depending on condition and quality.

Never by a Mitchell's Mauser. That guy is notorious for putting his own fake marks on the Mausers he sells, and on top of that, he is trying to pass off 'post-war yugoslavian mausers' made in 1948 as actual German model 98s, which is a load of bullshit. He is overpriced as well for his mixed-match serial numbers on rifles he is selling for $600+. Don't buy from him.

If you want a cheap and reliable Yugoslavian version of the 98, you cannot go wrong with an M48. For $110, plus shipping and transfer fees, you can get a rifle that performs just as well as a K98 without putting a big dent in your wallet. You can also put a scope mount on it, if I recall correctly, without permanently removing your rifle's older value.

I recommend AIM Surplus:

http://aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Yugos...er_Rifles.html

Nagants are extremely cheap. You can get a 91/30, M44, or M38 for around $100. Here's an M44:

http://aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Russian_M44.html#a240

I just bought a Russian Capture 98k, not matching but all of the German markings, complete with intact swastikas, for $280, +50 shipping/packaging (came with a case), and then more for transfer fees.

Here she is:

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...o/IMG_0282.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...o/IMG_0278.jpg
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1...o/IMG_0285.jpg

If you are seriously interested in purchasing a mauser, nagant, or any kind of rifle, whether it be an SKS or an Enfield, I recommend:

www.gunbroker.com

and

www.auctionarms.com

I have never purchased off of auction arms, but I bought my SKS through gunbroker. Both have excellent search features and protect you from fraud.

Remember, don't buy from Mitchell's Mausers. NEVER.

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Here are a few pictures I uploaded a while ago:







There are a few more, but these are probably the most interesting guns. One of the revolvers at the top is a Schilling Suhl, and last gun is obviously a C-96.
I don't know much about the other two weapons.

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If you ever want to sell that C96, give me a holler. :deal:

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I will probably sell a few guns, but not the C-96 :)
It's in a bad condition anyway, the barrel is rusty and the gun is assembled from parts with different serial numbers.

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I understand.

So it is the rifling that is rusted out?