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Lord Wiener March 16th, 2005 06:19 AM

Re: How fascist do you think gf is?
 
4/10

I agree with Azh. You break the rules, you pay the price.

Giz March 16th, 2005 06:24 AM

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Speaking of that. I guess that would make the law facist and all the police officers that enforce it.

School teachers are fascist because they enforce the rules of the schools.

need I go on...

Anywhere you go, rules are set and there are people entrusted to enforce them. That's life. Without them would be chaos.

Mihail March 16th, 2005 06:25 AM

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Your here of your own free will, if you don't like the forum or the way it's ran, either leave feedback in a constructive way, or get the hell out.

Mendrav March 16th, 2005 08:35 AM

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What if your text is misinturperated? Much of the time you have to be very specific with your wording so the person reading it understands*, so what if it's a case of a staff member reading your point differently to how you intended.






*As we all know, 60% as to how we look, 30% to how we say it and 10% to what we're acutally saying.

Nemmerle March 16th, 2005 08:52 AM

Re: How fascist do you think gf is?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gizmo
but then again I don't really understand what 'fascist' means when you compair it to the way a message board is run. :lol:

"All within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."
Benito Mussolini

In order here are some examples of how a forum could be interpreted to be fascist.

You can't delete your account.
"Advertising of other sites/services... is strictly forbidden."
"Please ensure you follow the instructions given by the forum staff at all times."

Quote:

Originally Posted by gizmo
School teachers are fascist because they enforce the rules of the schools.

:lol: School teachers are both unwilling and unable to enforce the rules.

Truce March 16th, 2005 08:54 AM

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Mendrav: That can be a problem, I suppose. I try never to use smilies or such myself, so detecting sarcasm from me can be troublesome... That's my own fault, though, and one little misunderstanding is rarely enough to get everybody angry with you... And even if that happens, then you should have enough sense to explain to the people involved that it was just a misunderstanding before things get out of hand.

FileTrekker March 16th, 2005 09:15 AM

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Heh, here we go again.

There is nothing fascist about GF. :n0e: but i dont think thats what were really disscussing here, is it? :p

Yes, occasionaly, not mentioning ANY names or places or faces, there have been, and no doubt will be one day, controversal desisions. But alot of people have been disaplined over such things and everything got its just deserts. I beleve if you are constructive and nice and are making a genuine, valid point in a mature way, then the staff wont dissmiss it they will talk to you about it. If you just start shouting "Your all useless cause you did this that and this and i hate GF" then... well its like AzH said. And why should the staff here have to take it? If you dont like being here then you can go. There are meny communities to take a part in im sure your already part of others. So... yeah.

Kokomo March 16th, 2005 09:43 AM

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they should adopt the imperial march as there theme song

amoreelitesoldier March 16th, 2005 09:49 AM

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grow up and stop your whining it's getting old...OK, for all you people who vote 2 cuz you don't think it's 'really' fascist, why did you even vote 2? GF pretty much has regular leadership that you'll find everywhere in life...If we didn't have rules, we'd have chaos, and there'd be all kinds of crap going on, so WE NEED RULES!

http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gifcan someone close this? cuz it's kind of, uhh...ummm...what's the word I'm lookin for...?...A HA! POINTLESS!!! that's ithttp://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/pleased.gif

Mast3rofPuppets March 16th, 2005 10:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by amoreelitesoldier
http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gifcan someone close this? cuz it's kind of, uhh...ummm...what's the word I'm lookin for...?...A HA! POINTLESS!!! that's ithttp://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/pleased.gif

no.

Nemmerle March 16th, 2005 10:54 AM

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I don't see what's with the scale, something either is fascist or it isn't.
It's like saying you're a little bit dead or a little bit suicidal, you either are or you aren't.

adibou March 16th, 2005 11:22 AM

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I think that GF's mods, admins are doing good job. http://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/pleased.gif

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mac Daddy
My point. Well my point is not being able to freely express certain topics or talk about certain members just because they hold a higher rank than you.

Not true!!
See...I've said so many ugly things to my friend Biggus and never got banned for that :p

Μαjïç MushrøøM March 16th, 2005 12:17 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by FileTrekker
There is nothing fascist about GF. :n0e:

In the most literal sense, I really have to agree. We have rules set by the highest points of authority here, but we also do try to be fair by listening to the members to some extent. Otherwise, this place would become very unpopular, and look at how many new members we have flowing in every day. :)

Without the system we have, I think this place would be much more chaotic and such is probably the reason I've seen that other forums are loaded with so much crap--lazy staff and lack of rule enforcement.

Dreadnought[DK] March 16th, 2005 12:37 PM

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if the forum is a fascist state, then every single one of you are fascists too. how is this forum any different than what goes on in your own homes? it doesn't matter if it is your home or if you're just living with your parents (and have a room). you invite your friends over to your house to have some fun. they are themselves and you all have a good time, but in the end there are some rules; rules you make because it is your house. if your guests act stupidly or break the rules, you ask them to leave.
it is funny to see how holy people can be when it comes an online community when, in fact, it's the same which counts as in ones own home.

Gift March 16th, 2005 01:11 PM

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I don't think GF is fascist after all. And I agree with Majic.
Quote:

WE NEED RULES!
What about the FAQ? There are basic rules in it.

Mac Daddy March 16th, 2005 01:31 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by amoreelitesoldier
.If we didn't have rules, we'd have chaos, and there'd be all kinds of crap going on

Tell that to someone whos not a anarchist. http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif
Quote:

Originally Posted by amoreelitesoldier
can someone close this? cuz it's kind of, uhh...ummm...what's the word I'm lookin for...?...A HA! POINTLESS!!! that's ithttp://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/pleased.gif

How about no. What's wronge with somone bringing up a question and discussing it like adults? http://forums.filefront.com/images/s.../confusedx.gif

FileTrekker March 16th, 2005 01:34 PM

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Quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by amoreelitesoldier
.If we didn't have rules, we'd have chaos, and there'd be all kinds of crap going on



Tell that to someone whos not a anarchist. [img]images/smilies/roll%20eyes%20%28sarcastic%29.gif[/img]
...

Well that explains alot. :p really, we need rules. If you think otherwise like with this anarchist stuff your deluded.

colonel_bob March 16th, 2005 03:00 PM

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Hmm. I said 3/10, because while it is generally happy and flowery and such, but there isn't the problem of hippy-inspired democracy totally permeating the scene. Which isn't a bad thing.

What?

J-Dub' March 16th, 2005 03:05 PM

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2.0

Mr. Matt March 16th, 2005 03:18 PM

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GF suffers from the human condition, being as it is run by humans. Therefore, the degree of strictness varies from moderator to moderator. Some are questionably liberal, some are questionably strict, and the rest lean towards one of those two extremes at times but generally maintain a balance. Moderators by definition are supposed to be unbiased, not allowing their personal opinions to sway their judgements, but such a moderator doesn't exist. Because humans are imperfect. So are you, so you shouldn't hold it against them.

The forum generally speaking goes through phases; sometimes it is strict, sometimes it is not so strict. There was once a time when General Yib-Yab (Off Topic) was a place to have a laugh, almost a secondary spam forum. Now it is more strict. It will probably change again in the future. The same with the Pub, and all other forums. It is impossible to give a definitive rating.

Pethegreat March 16th, 2005 03:25 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mast3rofPuppets
no.

Fasicm:p^

You have to concider Gf a facist forum since the loyal are rewarded with the ablitly to spam threads and get away with it and have p0rn occasoinaly
*looks ar count:n0e:*
The bad are well...you knowhttp://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/winkx.gif.

There are also no elections for staff here since the leaders appoint those who are loyal.

Facism works well thoughhttp://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/smilie.gif

Phoenix_22 March 16th, 2005 04:20 PM

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OMG! yeah, i'm picking a 7. While the fascisim here is understood, it is fascist. Alot of other forums are much more lax, but i think GF is definetly one of the best, actually the best forum out there. Plus we have reasons why admins/mods are strict, there are many adverts, out of line activities, resulting in bans, etc.

PropheticKarma March 16th, 2005 06:53 PM

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Wow. I definately think GF's fascist. I agree though with Mr.Matt, GF's run by humans without a certain amount of disipline the whole thing would be a massive spam forum. For every action there's a consequence. Ours is AzH. :D But really it depends on the person and there general posting history if there a n00b they get a warning, if there a mod they should know better etc. We need rules that's what keeps and makes GF so great. We have something that keeps us within boundaries and smacks us when were pushing them.

NiteStryker March 16th, 2005 09:33 PM

Re: How fascist do you think gf is?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gizmo
School teachers are fascist because they enforce the rules of the schools.
.

Thats not the facisim i refer too. My school is like literally faciest. If you say anything negative toward the school, you get in loads of sh*t.

But I dont think GF is completly faciest.

FileTrekker March 16th, 2005 09:39 PM

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Quote:

There are also no elections for staff here since the leaders appoint those who are loyal.
Would a school let the pupils vote in elections on the school's staff members? No? Right then.

Μαjïç MushrøøM March 16th, 2005 09:41 PM

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No, but they do elect those students who get to be part of the student government (I'm not sure if all schools have those).

Guyver March 16th, 2005 10:21 PM

Re: How fascist do you think gf is?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Matt
GF suffers from the human condition, being as it is run by humans. Therefore, the degree of strictness varies from moderator to moderator. Some are questionably liberal, some are questionably strict, and the rest lean towards one of those two extremes at times but generally maintain a balance. Moderators by definition are supposed to be unbiased, not allowing their personal opinions to sway their judgements, but such a moderator doesn't exist. Because humans are imperfect. So are you, so you shouldn't hold it against them.

The forum generally speaking goes through phases; sometimes it is strict, sometimes it is not so strict. There was once a time when General Yib-Yab (Off Topic) was a place to have a laugh, almost a secondary spam forum. Now it is more strict. It will probably change again in the future. The same with the Pub, and all other forums. It is impossible to give a definitive rating.

I have to agree with you there Matt. I personally think that I use a comfortable medium regarding moderation of the forums I'm assigned to. If being strict is called for I use it other than that I just make suggestions and post like every other regular member on the forums.

triekie March 16th, 2005 10:33 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JP(NL)
freedom is such a subjective term.

6/10

Being a newbie i want to gave 7/10 coz most of the topics here the moderators know what they talking about and the staffs. And i sense that most of them or should i say all of them are friendly... plus like what he said freedom is such subjective term.

I want to include these:

....We need rules that's what keeps and makes GF so great. We have something that keeps us within boundaries and smacks us when were pushing them. ----PropheticKarma13 (right man!):bows:

Nemmerle March 17th, 2005 04:42 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by triekie
PropheticKarma13 (right man!):bows:

Psst, *in fake whisper* you know she's actually a girl.

Kerian March 17th, 2005 06:50 AM

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as everyone has said we need rules to keep the idiots in line. from my experiences GF is for the most part remarkably tollerant of people and how they discuss things but if saying such things are prohibited and you will get punished for ignoring this is fascist then so be it, i don't see it working any other way really.

qotsa March 17th, 2005 06:57 AM

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I like fascism.I think it rules.I say GF is 8/10.

But,being serious,I think these forums rule..I dont find the staff to be soo harsh or anything..Its simple,you use these forums correctly,have fun,don't continuously break the rules,and you're fine.
You keep on messing around,obviously the staff will have to be harsh with you.Its their JOB.

Tas March 17th, 2005 09:02 AM

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Whenever there are strict rules being enforced anywhere the people in charge are called nazi's..

I havent been on GF for very long, but i have never had any problems with the staff here, i rarely venture out of the "Forgotten Hope" section, but then again i wish people in general had a higher tolorance for controversial topics..

Scuse the spelling please..

Spartan March 17th, 2005 12:47 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by qotsa
You keep on messing around,obviously the staff will have to be harsh with you.Its their JOB.

Exactly, all these rules are here for a reason. People will always complain when rules must be enforced.

-Aqualung- March 17th, 2005 07:29 PM

Re: How fascist do you think gf is?
 
The GF officials do exercise some control over GF, but only the right amount needed to maintain a forum. Besides, of all the forums I've seen, GF has some of the best staff. If I had a list of my favorite members, an overwhelming majority would be moderators or administrators. But Mr. Matt is still on it.

NiteStryker March 17th, 2005 08:34 PM

Re: How fascist do you think gf is?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Μαjïç MushrøøM
No, but they do elect those students who get to be part of the student government (I'm not sure if all schools have those).

And all that is is a popularity contest. The person who has the most friends is the one elected, which is never the best one. (Just like in real politics)...

But I think there should be staff elections.

Ravermandsaint March 17th, 2005 08:52 PM

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The word "fascist" is a bit strong, but I certainly think some mods jump too conclusions too fast. And some have serious attitude probs...:moon: I almost fell into the trap of agreeing with some of those "things". Some moderators are typically hypocritical. Without getting the rule-book here...

Instances that without real reason messages were gone at the end of a topic while harmless, and a mod places his own message with a BS reason at the end and closing the topic while fresh, happen too much. Now the stupid thing...very old threads with the same kind of similarity as mentioned above, are not removed or closed, sometimes months old.

Furthermore free speach is an illusion of this world. No body is really free, there's always someone who feels better, or has more power, bringing fear and loathinghttp://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/madx.gif .

NiteStryker March 17th, 2005 09:54 PM

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Well there is not free speech here, and sometimes thats good and sometimes its bad. No1 wants to come to a forum where people just flame all the time, that gets old. But you gotta allow enough ragging on to keep it interesting (and then the special designated forum for flaming only).

I think at times the decisions to close the threads could be reconsidered, but when you consider a moderator/admin force of mabey a hundred (i dont kno the exact number), compared with something like 100,000 registered users, im sure its quite a strain to police every forum down to the Sims modding and editing. So overall I think they do a good job :thumbsup:

Dreadnought[DK] March 18th, 2005 04:02 AM

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FYI, there are 6 admins, 6 super moderators and 58 moderators

SharpShooter(US) March 18th, 2005 01:28 PM

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"Some" of the admins are pretty anal. . . .about some simple things

XLove & MutilationX March 18th, 2005 10:07 PM

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personally, i think that GF is in many ways very CONTRADICTIVE FASCISM. i really despise the fact that some people with their sigs/avatars/ and names have gotten away with so much. for example the whole subject regarding reference to Nazism. Why has this issue just been adressed in recent weeks/months when it has gone on for as long as i can possibly remember.yet, by same token, i get criticised simply for the old name i had within weeks of first being here over any sort of anti-religious reference i may or may not have intended. i suppose i'm still pissed in a way that whoever was offended by my name didnt have the balls to confront me themselves.instead they had to get a Mod to confront me for them. some of you [GF as a whole] are just too sensetive, this even easily applies to any Admins/Mods. yes i know its a hard reality but deal with it. you're going to live in a world where there are people such as myself who like to express themselves - and its your responsibility to react in the most suitable and rational manner. this is afterall, an online environment - if each and everyone one of us were to take certain sensetive issues to heart over how someone presents their views or expresses themselves through creative efforts via avata/forum name,etc. we'd all be subjecting ourselves to non-needed cardiac arrests from getting pissed all the time and spending so much pointless time and effort arguing or trying to make a point. in the end none of it matters.

With all this aside, i think that the structure of GF needs some serious work on ethics and where to draw the line to sucesfully establish what is acceptable for all.
i see the wrong people getting away with much, and the people who intend no harm at all catching most of the heat.

thank you and good night.
sieg heil/praise righteous satan/burn the american flag...etc.

[note:i am making a point by saying the immediate above remarks]

NiteStryker March 18th, 2005 10:40 PM

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Quote:

6 admins, 6 super moderators and 58 moderators
Thats 70 people to police around 70,000 active members. Thats quite an immense task.

Μαjïç MushrøøM March 19th, 2005 12:23 AM

Re: How fascist do you think gf is?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XLove & MutilationX
thank you and good night.
sieg heil/praise righteous satan/burn the american flag...etc.

[note:i am making a point by saying the immediate above remarks]

Heh, point well taken. Although it is my and the rest of the staff's job to oversee such issues, I must agree that many (if not most) people are far too sensitive on them. Believe me when I state that it can be quite a mental sacrifice to make and/or enforce certain decisions regarding those aspects of the rules.

Dreadnought[DK] March 19th, 2005 03:33 AM

Re: How fascist do you think gf is?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XLove & MutilationX
i suppose i'm still pissed in a way that whoever was offended by my name didnt have the balls to confront me themselves.instead they had to get a Mod to confront me for them.

to be fair, what did you want the to do about it? it's nothing they can change. it's not like they can just drop you a PM asking you not to say certain things in the future. changing a name can only be done by admins.

XLove & MutilationX March 19th, 2005 09:18 AM

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bt people do pm eachother ask them not to say certain things.
all i am saying, is that i think i would have respect for this person if they did make the effort themselves to confront me and tell me how they felt, rather then to make themselves anonymous...

it happened to bother someone so much that they had to make the effort to speak to an admin in order for something to be done about it. ironically almost, i had no intentions whatsoever to have any sort of anti-religious sentiment in my name, nor to intentionally piss anyone off.if that were the case, i'm sure i would have came up with something quite worse. it was merely a play on words and nothing more then that. unfortunately, someone took it to heart in the vein of it infact being anti-religious, and allowed it to have a personal effect on them. thats all i'd like to say..

AzH March 19th, 2005 11:08 AM

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Quote:

rather then to make themselves anonymous...
internet. anonymity... see the link here? ;)

Ravermandsaint March 19th, 2005 11:23 AM

Re: How fascist do you think gf is?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by XLove & MutilationX
it happened to bother someone so much that they had to make the effort to speak to an admin in order for something to be done about it. ironically almost, i had no intentions whatsoever to have any sort of anti-religious sentiment in my name, nor to intentionally piss anyone off.

Then it went a little far about youre name. A person has to be very sensitive if he/she get's offended by youre name:lol: . And religious people can get absurdly sensitive; i mean wars get started over such things(:confused: ). I dont know if youre a religious person, but i think religions should be banned. Not just on the gf, in the hole wide world. And thats my opinion.

XLove & MutilationX March 19th, 2005 01:40 PM

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lol, yes Azh i do...only now since you came along of course.

SpiderGoat March 22nd, 2005 03:14 AM

Re: How fascist do you think gf is?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NiteStryker
Thats 70 people to police around 70,000 active members. Thats quite an immense task.

Hey, do you realise with how many officials Rome governed her empire? ;)

Μαjïç MushrøøM March 22nd, 2005 03:19 AM

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First of all, we have much more than 70,000 members, Secondly, realize that a very significant amount of them are not even active. If they were, we'd need far more staff in each group of mods, SMs and admins. Managing the number of active members as they are is indeed quite a task in itself.

XLove & MutilationX March 22nd, 2005 09:31 AM

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you tell em, Magic! :p


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