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Pure-Chaos August 20th, 2004 01:33 PM

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Yes our natural disasters are on the increase. Also they have predicted that by 2080 Europe will no longer have a winter! The sea's will rise, sinking low countrys like the netherlands (which half of their population is below sea level). We are really in for it..

Sourse (Includes a LOT more info :)) http://edition.cnn.com/2004/TECH/sci...eut/index.html

Vertical345 August 20th, 2004 01:34 PM

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well good, you had it comin.

Biggus Dickus August 20th, 2004 01:52 PM

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I hate the winter anyway.

Seriously, there is another thread about this subject here. I think I will probably merge this one with it if people are posting in this one.

Pure-Chaos August 20th, 2004 02:00 PM

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ah sorry, i didnt know.

Darkness Knight 15 August 20th, 2004 03:21 PM

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Who is this "they" you speak of???

Mihail August 20th, 2004 03:24 PM

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2080, most of us are more then likely going to be dead by then. And if not sooner if Bush is re-elected.... WW3.

X-C August 20th, 2004 03:27 PM

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Heh I hope WW3 starts soon. Hurry up and blow ourselves up already. I just read today that by 2025 that Asia, Africa, and Europe might be going to war over water and not oil.

Vertical345 August 20th, 2004 03:29 PM

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ha well thats dumb, to fight over water is absurd.

V0rtex August 20th, 2004 03:29 PM

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Meh, Europe's had a long prosperous life. All good things must end sometime. http://www.gamingforums.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif (Please note the smilie)

Mihail August 20th, 2004 03:37 PM

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Infact, North America has the same problem with fresh water, if not worst. The main fresh water rivers in the world are here and in canada. The rest of the world is rather fresh out of luck, much like water.

Biggus Dickus August 20th, 2004 05:11 PM

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Pure-Chaos, your post is totally off topic. Deleted.

Fissure August 20th, 2004 05:12 PM

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the idea of fighting for water more absurd, and that makes it all the more frightening in real life. Not that it scary to go to war, but over what we will be fighting for. Such idiots like G.W. will only make that inevitable war come sooner.

Pure-Chaos August 20th, 2004 05:15 PM

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you have made a very good point. Well lets all hope for the best. Our fresh water cant run out that quick, we have moutains of snow which is fresh water once melted, most countrys when desperate would resort to that.

Fissure August 20th, 2004 05:32 PM

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yes, but then the battlegrounds of the world would shift from the middle east to the arctic and antarctice fesh water ice caps and then the water there would be spoiled with oil from planes and boats ruining the water supply. But I try not to be pessimistic so I just think that Gerogie will choke on another pretzel and this time his buddy Powell wont be there to help him.

X-C August 20th, 2004 08:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mihail
Infact, North America has the same problem with fresh water, if not worst. The main fresh water rivers in the world are here and in canada. The rest of the world is rather fresh out of luck, much like water.

No we are doing pretty fine. The population density in North America is very low. We got a lot more life. And plus, if we ever did run out of water, we got our little neighbor up north to pick on.

Mihail August 20th, 2004 08:51 PM

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EAST LANSING, MI, October 21, 2000 -- A report released today by the World Resources Institute (WRI) reveals that the world's freshwater systems are so degraded that its ability to support human, plant and animal life is greatly in peril. As a result, many freshwater species are facing rapid population decline or extinction, and an increasing number of people will face serious water shortages.

The report, "Pilot Analysis of Global Ecosystems (PAGE): Freshwater systems," says that while many regions of the world have ample freshwater supplies, four out of every 10 people currently live in river basins which are experiencing water scarcity. By 2025, at least 3.5 billion people or nearly 50 percent of the world's population will face water scarcity.

In addition, 29 of the world's river basins -- with a projected population of 10 million each by 2025 -- will experience further scarcity.

Further analysis of existing freshwater studies reveals that more than 20 percent of the world's known 10,000 freshwater fish species have become extinct, been threatened, or endangered in recent decades.

In the United States, which has the most comprehensive data on freshwater species, 37 percent of freshwater fish species, 67 percent of mussels, 51 percent of crayfish and 40 percent of amphibians are threatened or have become extinct.

"The findings are very disturbing," said Jonathan Lash, WRI president during a press conference at the annual meeting of the Society of Environmental Journalists. "We essentially gave the world's freshwater systems a physical exam and found out that it is more imperiled than the other ecosystems we studied."

According to the report, much of the degradation of the world's freshwater systems is due to habitat destruction, the construction of dams and canals, introduction of non-native species, pollution, and over-exploitation.

The PAGE report estimates that dams, diversions or canals fragment almost 60 percent of the world's largest 227 rivers. The only remaining large free-flowing rivers in the world are found in the tundra regions of North America and Russia, and in parts of Africa and South America. About 40,000 large dams over 15 meters high fragment the world's rivers.

Studies of the introduction of non-native fish in Europe, North America, Australia, and New Zealand, reveal that 77 percent of them resulted in the drastic reduction or elimination of native fish species. In North America, alone, 27 species and 13 subspecies of native fish became extinct in the last century largely due to the introduction of non-native fish.

The report said that water-borne diseases from fecal pollution of surface waters continue to be a major cause of illness in the Third World. While surface water quality has improved in the United States and Western Europe, nutrient loading from agricultural runoff continues to be a major problem.

Although rivers, lakes and wetlands contain only 0.01 percent of the world's freshwater, and occupy less than 1 percent of the Earth's surface, the global value of freshwater services is estimated in the trillions of dollars. "We need to value freshwater ecosystems not only from the goods they produce, like fish and clams, but also the services they give, like the filters and nurseries that wetlands provide," said Carmen Revenga, one of the report's co-authors.

She added that in some countries, the growing concern for species extinction, the maintenance of pristine habitats and the need to maintain the other goods and services ecosystems provide, are driving governments to restore and rehabilitate freshwater systems.

The PAGE report on freshwater systems is the first of five technical reports that will be released in the next six months. Other reports will cover agroecosystems, coastal areas, forests, and grasslands. Taken together, these reports are the first such comprehensive assessment of the state of the world's ecosystems.

They set the stage for the Millennium Ecosystems Assessment (MEA) that will be launched next year by WRI, the United Nations Environment Program, and other international agencies. The MEA is expected to fill in the data gaps identified by the PAGE reports through the participation of hundreds of the world's leading scientists who will be mobilized for this $20 million, four-year effort.

"The challenge for the 21st century is to understand the vulnerabilities and resilience of ecosystems so that we can find ways to reconcile the demands of human development and the tolerances of nature," said Lash.

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JizzyB August 20th, 2004 09:05 PM

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So we're all going be fighting in WW3. Hmmm. Interesting.....

Vertical345 August 20th, 2004 09:13 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mihail
EAST LANSING, MI, October 21, 2000 -- A report released today by the World Resources Institute (WRI) reveals that the world's freshwater systems are so degraded that its ability to support human, plant and animal life is greatly in peril. As a result, many freshwater species are facing rapid population decline or extinction, and an increasing number of people will face serious water shortages.

The report, "Pilot Analysis of Global Ecosystems (PAGE): Freshwater systems," says that while many regions of the world have ample freshwater supplies, four out of every 10 people currently live in river basins which are experiencing water scarcity. By 2025, at least 3.5 billion people or nearly 50 percent of the world's population will face water scarcity.

In addition, 29 of the world's river basins -- with a projected population of 10 million each by 2025 -- will experience further scarcity.

Further analysis of existing freshwater studies reveals that more than 20 percent of the world's known 10,000 freshwater fish species have become extinct, been threatened, or endangered in recent decades.

In the United States, which has the most comprehensive data on freshwater species, 37 percent of freshwater fish species, 67 percent of mussels, 51 percent of crayfish and 40 percent of amphibians are threatened or have become extinct.

"The findings are very disturbing," said Jonathan Lash, WRI president during a press conference at the annual meeting of the Society of Environmental Journalists. "We essentially gave the world's freshwater systems a physical exam and found out that it is more imperiled than the other ecosystems we studied."

According to the report, much of the degradation of the world's freshwater systems is due to habitat destruction, the construction of dams and canals, introduction of non-native species, pollution, and over-exploitation.

The PAGE report estimates that dams, diversions or canals fragment almost 60 percent of the world's largest 227 rivers. The only remaining large free-flowing rivers in the world are found in the tundra regions of North America and Russia, and in parts of Africa and South America. About 40,000 large dams over 15 meters high fragment the world's rivers.

Studies of the introduction of non-native fish in Europe, North America, Australia, and New Zealand, reveal that 77 percent of them resulted in the drastic reduction or elimination of native fish species. In North America, alone, 27 species and 13 subspecies of native fish became extinct in the last century largely due to the introduction of non-native fish.

The report said that water-borne diseases from fecal pollution of surface waters continue to be a major cause of illness in the Third World. While surface water quality has improved in the United States and Western Europe, nutrient loading from agricultural runoff continues to be a major problem.

Although rivers, lakes and wetlands contain only 0.01 percent of the world's freshwater, and occupy less than 1 percent of the Earth's surface, the global value of freshwater services is estimated in the trillions of dollars. "We need to value freshwater ecosystems not only from the goods they produce, like fish and clams, but also the services they give, like the filters and nurseries that wetlands provide," said Carmen Revenga, one of the report's co-authors.

She added that in some countries, the growing concern for species extinction, the maintenance of pristine habitats and the need to maintain the other goods and services ecosystems provide, are driving governments to restore and rehabilitate freshwater systems.

The PAGE report on freshwater systems is the first of five technical reports that will be released in the next six months. Other reports will cover agroecosystems, coastal areas, forests, and grasslands. Taken together, these reports are the first such comprehensive assessment of the state of the world's ecosystems.

They set the stage for the Millennium Ecosystems Assessment (MEA) that will be launched next year by WRI, the United Nations Environment Program, and other international agencies. The MEA is expected to fill in the data gaps identified by the PAGE reports through the participation of hundreds of the world's leading scientists who will be mobilized for this $20 million, four-year effort.

"The challenge for the 21st century is to understand the vulnerabilities and resilience of ecosystems so that we can find ways to reconcile the demands of human development and the tolerances of nature," said Lash.

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wow, thats really bad. I dont think we will run out of water too soon though.

Suede-y August 20th, 2004 09:36 PM

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wow dude...i bet ill be dead by 2080 but i liked Europe... stupid global warming

X-C August 21st, 2004 05:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Vertical345
wow, thats really bad. I dont think we will run out of water too soon though.

2025 is only 21 years away. Plus WW3 is inevitable in my opinion. It will come along sometime.

SnuFFeh August 21st, 2004 05:18 AM

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Winter sucks, it will be a lot better with Sun all year round :)

bagabondo August 21st, 2004 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mihail
. The main fresh water rivers in the world are here and in canada.

shhhhhh! couldn't you keep that low profile, bush will declare war to us(if he gets reelected).
I heard they borrowed water from us once, they said that they'd give it back... I don't see how they're going to do that unless they plan to piss in bottles....

Suede-y August 21st, 2004 05:30 AM

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i prefer a like 50 to 60 degree climate...not too cold not too hot ;) but i would rather have winter then hot and humid year round. also if a war starts in 2025 then i guess thats ok...i still had like 38 years good years of my life.


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