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bear187 June 17th, 2005 04:05 PM

My Car Won't Run
 
I need some help guys. I own a 96 Mercury Cougar with a 4.6L V8. The car is running very rough, i have changed the spark plugs and the wires and it's running even worse now. I noticed when I cahnged the plugs on the right side of the engine they were black. What could this mean? Any suggestions are welcomed.

beef flaps June 17th, 2005 04:07 PM

Re: My Car Won't Run
 
Black and dry or black and wet?

Check engine light on?
Any cracks in vacuum tubing?
This engine have a dist or dist-less ignition?

bear187 June 17th, 2005 04:10 PM

Re: My Car Won't Run
 
It has coils and the plugs were black and dry.

C38368 June 17th, 2005 04:24 PM

Re: My Car Won't Run
 
My first guess would be carbon fouling (usually caused by an over-rich air-fuel mixture).

Tell us a little more about the engine. Does the intake manifold use a common plenum, or does each bank get it's own? One fuel rail per bank? TBI?
I'm taking stabs here, but you never know when you might stumble into the right answer...

bear187 June 17th, 2005 04:28 PM

Re: My Car Won't Run
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by C38368
My first guess would be carbon fouling (usually caused by an over-rich air-fuel mixture).

Tell us a little more about the engine. Does the intake manifold use a common plenum, or does each bank get it's own? One fuel rail per bank?
I'm taking stabs here, but you never know when you might stumble into the right answer...

I'm not quite sure what your asking. I work on the outside of cars not under the hood.

C38368 June 17th, 2005 04:32 PM

Re: My Car Won't Run
 
Fair 'nuff. TBH, I'm not all that well-versed with the finer points of modern engines ;)

Where'd I lose you?

Shintsu June 17th, 2005 04:36 PM

Re: My Car Won't Run
 
I know what the problem is...its a Ford :p

To be honest I'm not that much of a car person so I'll just sit here with a notepad and take notes from the wisers. :)

EDIT: If you love cars that don't run right then I see why you love Fords :lol:.

bear187 June 17th, 2005 04:38 PM

Re: My Car Won't Run
 
You lost me at the fuel plenum and rails. BTW I love my Ford

C38368 June 17th, 2005 04:55 PM

Re: My Car Won't Run
 
Old Ford Syndrome is a very real affliction ;) Trust me; I've got a '77 Ranger with a 460.

Ok then: how does air enter the engine? On most vehicles, there's a single air intake somewhere that feeds into a chamber (the plenum) atop the engine. Typically, this part of the intake is more or less a common area to all cylinders, but not necessarily always. Since I don't know offhand how 4.6L Ford was designed, I thought I should make sure.
Fuel rails exist on port-injected engines. They're basically hollow pieces of metal that the injectors tap into, and all they do is feed fuel to the injectors. They look just like a metal tube running the length of each cylinder bank. Every port-injected system I know of is considered to be "dry", where fuel is added to the intake charge only as it enters the cylinder.
Throttle body injection (TBI) moves the injector(s) to the throttle body itself. This is considered a "wet" system, as the fuel is added to the engine as soon as air enters the engine (carbureted engines are also wet).

If you've got four clean plugs on one bank and four dirty plugs due to carbon deposits on the other (which sounds like that you describe), then the side with fouled plugs is receiving too much fuel. That's why I'm wondering how air and fuel induction is being handled with your engine.

bear187 June 17th, 2005 05:19 PM

Re: My Car Won't Run
 
Ok i think I understand now. There is only one intake and i don't believe there is any fuel rails.

beef flaps June 17th, 2005 05:24 PM

Re: My Car Won't Run
 
Get some cleaner and clean the throttle body out good.
Change the PCV valve.
Change the air cleaner.

Run it for a little, then pull one of the right bank plugs out and see if it is black.

[CoUk]niu June 18th, 2005 12:03 PM

Re: My Car Won't Run
 
If it`s some kind of TBI injection system,check that both(at least GM has two) injectors are working.Simply take off the air cleaner and start the engine,then look down the bores.
If the spray pattern of both injectors look the same,they are at least functioning.

bear187 June 20th, 2005 02:20 PM

Re: My Car Won't Run
 
Ok My Car is running fine for the moment. The top plug for the injector was not connected. I still believe there was a problem before that. I believe it was either the Plug Wires or Plugs themselves but it's running like a dream now. Thanks for all of your help.

Oblivious June 22nd, 2005 06:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by C38368
I've got a '77 Ranger with a 460.

I think that's a requirement to live up here in the Northwest. Never have I seen so many old Ford trucks in my life!

C38368 June 22nd, 2005 10:21 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Oblivious
I think that's a requirement to live up here in the Northwest. Never have I seen so many old Ford trucks in my life!

Yeah, I am in Ford country here ;)
Though I must say, there's a 1970 3/4-ton Chevy out here--for sale but not advertised--that I've got my eye on.

Oblivious June 23rd, 2005 04:35 PM

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I like the old Ford trucks, but I still prefer Chevys. I need an old pickup to supplement my '89 Suburban. Hauling stuff to the dump without ruining the carpeted cargo area can be a challenge. This summer, I'd like get one, but I want a new video card too. I wonder which one the wife will think is a higher priority... :lookaround:

C38368 June 23rd, 2005 05:22 PM

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Chebby. Video cards get elapsed every few months; old iron is kinda like wine (but not always the fine sort).

I'm in the same spot as you: I like old Fords (Found On Road Dead is a joke, but Fix Or Repair Daily is more true than most think), but I'm really a Bowtie fan to the bone. Hence lusting over that C/20.

bear187 June 24th, 2005 08:59 PM

Re: My Car Won't Run
 
Ok car is running fine but when i changed the spark plugs on the left side there was oil on them and my car is blowing out blue smoke. What does this mean?

C38368 June 24th, 2005 10:38 PM

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...that you've got a very finicky car?
Oil on the plugs can come from a couple sources that I'm aware of: either through the piston rings or the valves. Based on what I've heard from others and read, bad rings are the more typical culprit. If you've got oil leaking in through the valves, the the valveguide is probably shot, and that's not the kind of thing you want to have to replace on a vehicle that needs to be reliable.
Blue smoke, in case you don't already know, is what you get when you're burning oil.

Unknown Evil June 29th, 2005 02:25 AM

Re: My Car Won't Run
 
[QUOTE=bear187]Ok car is running fine but when i changed the spark plugs on the left side there was oil on them and my car is blowing out blue smoke. What does this mean?[/QUOT
the blue smoke could be because the fuel in the engine is too dirty. and the oil on the spark plugs might just be because you might have a leak in the oil tank.


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