American Waco CG-4A Hadrian Glider
 

The CG-4A featured a steel tube and wood construction covered with canvas. The nose of the glider was designed to fold out and up in order to allow the loading of men and materials. The glider could carry either a jeep, a 75mm howitzer, a specially-designed bulldozer, or 13 men with their supplies and equipment. The gliders, which were normally towed by C-46 and C-47 aircraft, were crewed by a pilot and a co-pilot.

http://forgottenhope.bf1942files.com...Waco_Small.jpg

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I gotta ask: Will this be towed ingame by another plane? If so.. you guys own bf.

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Yeah that was my Q, how are u gonna get towing to work cos we aint seen it yet, GL :D
tho I suppose u could launch it in mid air at the edge of a map like in the dogfighting mod? I dunno but its gonna b cool

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More importantly, how rough a landing can it take?

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We have yet to get it in game, we are currently working on the "TOWABLE" aspect of it.. If it's possible it will be in FH. If not we will have to resort to putting it near the edge of the map in the air.

Either way, it will be a fun addition.

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you know the ohka suicide bomb stays on the bottom of the betty bomber and the pilot of that can press the button to release himself from it while airborne, so...

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^^^^ that looks cool

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And here is a pic of the interior


http://fhprivate.bf1942files.com/upl...1069810360.jpg

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WOOOOOOO UPDTAES!!!!! OMGZZZ!!!!!!!!!!

*runs around like a tard hugging various staff members out of sheer happyness*

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The water looks amazing on that last pic.

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lol it's just a render... but i love the cockpit. hehe..... cockpit

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Cool picture. Do the two steering wheels mean that there can be flight input from two players or is that just for aesthetics? Also, are you able to give an idea of how maneuvarable the glider will be? ty.

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My guess: No, and not much. Most large planes have sticks on that side for the co-pilot. And I bet the maneuverability will be similar to a C47 without engines.

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HERE'S AN IDEA:

Just a suggestion, but why dont you have it powered by a catapault on one side, much like the Natter rocket plane (except without fuel). I suppose you could tweak the physics so it goes farther with less speed. Either that or the Edge-of-the-map idea sounds great. Except maybe you could have C46/47s just for visual effect that tow you high in the air then disappear in the mist (that way you don't wonder how the heck the gliders got there.

PS: Be sure to leave plenty of sniper kits, a short beach, and a couple of battleships for our friends the allies, eh? ;-)

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Oh christ..... NO SNIPERS! They ruin the game completly.

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The copilot steering wheel is for aesthetics and acuracy, only the pilot can handle the volant.
It's not ingame yet, so we don't know its maneuvarability, and I hope that it will be carried by a C-47 and then it can be released and fly alone, our coders have done more difficult features before.

Good try, Formerly Human, but no, there will be no snipers in Omaha :D

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I love the cockpit!

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Wow, sweet cockpit and model!

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If that is going to be in the game, I will faint. I mean the cocpit is just........... wow.

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Who's going to use it? You've put it as American, but I always thought glider landings were a British speciality; both during D-Day and Market Garden.

Of course, I admit I'm getting my info from films here, but I had the impression gliders were a British baby.

Or not?

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Exactly!


Also the glider looks mint! Can't wait to turn in into an overgrown sive with my MG-42.

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Judge, what was that about an ohka?

And that glider looks great, so does the cockpit.

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Do you know if the C-47's would be piloted or automatic? If they are piloted how would you prevent people from just piling into the C-47? No parachutes or another way? Also, would the pilot of the C-47 or the glider pilot control the release of the glider? thx.

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very nice

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You're thinking of a Horsa glider

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Heh can it have a jeep?

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CG-4A was first used by US in Sicily invasion 09 July, 1943. 129 Hadrians and 8 Horsas were launched in Gale force winds with disastrous results, 50 landing in the sea.

Hadrians were also used in Burma, Operation Overlord, Operation Dragoon, and Operation Market Garden.

But my info also says the Brits never used their Hadrians operationally.

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Typical load was 13 troops(that includes pilot and co-pilot), or a jeep and crew of 4 plus equipment, or a 75mm Howitzer with 3 man guncrew and ammo and supplies.

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Duuh I know it could irl but I wondered if it could in the game!

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I know, I only placed this image because I found very good and I used you advantage that you had spoken on the subject! and forgives me my English!

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Well don't quote me then. Makes it look like you're replying to my question. And I forgive you.

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i kno this has been asked before but is it possible that when u enter the glider u are "reloaded" a parachute?

forgive me if its been asked before i just dont remember

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guys didnt parachute out of the glider. they "landed" it into the ground and walked out the door.

And how would you crash into the goony bird when its towing you and going faster then you?

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oh yea duhhhh i knew that i mustnt of been thinkin when i was postin sry bout that

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Are you referring to the part where I asked how they would prevent people from "piling" into the C-47? What I meant was that if people had parachutes wouldn't they just get into the C-47 and jump from that instead of bothering to get into a glider. I was curious as to how they would they would stop that.

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oh, lol.

I thought u ment some noob piloting the glider into the bird towing it.

I'm assuming they wont have parachutes, (or only paratroops can go in the c-47) or it will be map specific (wich is very likely)

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Gliders were used by both US GIR and British GIR (Glider Infantry Regiments) personnel.

References:

http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/5...ts/327/327.html

and like Simons said you might be thinking of the Horsa Glider used by the British 1st Airbourne:
http://www.britishairborne.org/planes.html

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Just leave the PrinceOW or a fletcher and I'll be as happy as a retard with a ball. :lol:

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Outstanding to se this added to FH as it is truly realistic :)

- The Gliders actually exsisted and some these Gliders are now in West Texas (Lubbock) to be exact - (I live near there too)

The Lubbock International Airport actually has a museum with several of the authentic gliders restored. So NO - this was NOT just a British Thing.

Here is a link to the Museums Website - The Display is absolutely cool!

http://www.silentwingsmuseum.com/sw_program.html

As for Towing? - This was already being done with a Japanese Bomber in one of the FH .5D Pacific Isle maps correct? Iwo Jima - or something I can't remember/check - (since my BF 1.5 upgrades all my FH mods are hosed) and YES - I have installed the Hotfix/patch on both my Servers and my personal game on my personal pc.

"sigh" - no luck so figured I'd wait for the release of .6 - and NOW with the addition of this Glider and the many other awesome additions, I like everyone else here REALLY am anxiously anticipating the moment I can get my FH servers back up and flying that Glider :)

Speedwolf..

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Could the Dak and the glider be spawned as one entity with the glider detachable? Could the pilot fly both, when he switches to position 2 (glider pilot) the glider detaches from the Dak (which despawns) as it is no longer required. Any player could mount either the glider or the dak but be located in the glider for when it detaches.

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yes i know this is an old topic (since the last post was 2 weeks ago)......but as far as the towing, piloting, spawning.....etc.....
Apparently you can spawn in the c-47 correct? or does it require you walk to it?
as far as the glider....being released at the edge of the map (which seems like a good idea) presents many other problems.
First of all the glider is not powered so eventually it will land (or crash) on the ground....so that means a spawn point will have to be created on the glider and someone is going to have to immediately take controls before it starts to nose dive. I know moveable spawn points are easily made, but having something floating in air at the start of a round at the edge of the map can prove to be quite a mess without the proper people in the pilot seat (and especially if they are disoriented, they might end up in the deserter-zone for a while).
While the glider is very neat I'm real doubtful as to how it could be very effective....i like engines on my planes...gliding around is relaxing, if you're not in a battle.

Either way I think having it spawn on a tow-cable from the back of the c-47 (while it is on the ground of course) is the best way to go. So if no one is using it, it is ready to go....that way you dont have to scramble and depend on random noobs to keep the damn thing in the air or when nobody is using it for it to continuously crash on its own.

Having a release ability should be easy as bombs are done that way....making the cable bend according to which direction the c47 is going and the glider following would be the hardest part....would look rather retarded having the glider on the end of a big stiff stick protruding from the c47 and the c47 unrealistically swinging it all over the place when it turns.

As far as maneuverability....dont count on it being good with that either...this should only go on the biggest of maps....As I remember from Saving Private Ryan, that crashed glider pilot said he nearly broke both his arms trying to keep it in the air...Too much weight since the general that was on board wanted to have a personal armored plate mounted beneath him... While piloting a glider might not be that realistically bad, I can still understand.

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Yea, someone else said it earlier but...more importantly, how hard of a shot can this bastard take on landing. Since most gliders in the actual landings came down like meteors (saving private ryan for instance). A lot of people who cant fly are gonna send us like hail into the ground and all die. And where is a field going to be where you can land it? I think these would work great on Bocage, since the 2nd wave of the Gliders landed around first light. There is plenty of farm-land to plant the glider on the ground. But If you have one little area to land, tanks and MGs will camp that field. Also, how long would it take to get it to stop sliding to a speed where guys can hop out and not get wounded/killed? I like the glider, I'm just curious how the landing aspect will take place.

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Just make sure I am the pilot and you will get on the ground safely. I can promise you that.

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Or me ;-)

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OMG, when will people stop citing SPR as the athoritative source of WW2 information? Gliders tend to light, many contructed out of wood and cloth. Also, they tend to have a large wingspan to increase lift. The one glider you mention (shudder) supposedly had a large metal plate added to the floor, which increased it's weight considerably, it was not a regular glider. I'm trying to be nice so I'll just say this: Please do a little research and then make your posts.

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The story of the Officer killed in SPR is based on a true story but it was the exception.

Everything loaded onto a glider is weighed beforehand and troops were required to leave behind any non esential items.

Gliders have to be loaded to a specfic weight and that weight is not to be exceeded. And the load has to be balanced so the glider will glide down nose first without too steep an angle.

Someone got the idea to install armor plate under the feet of the Airborne officer to protect him from ground fire. And then didnt tell anyone.

Result was a grossly overweight glider that once released fell to earth like a rock and crash landed. I dont remember if the real life officer actually died or if he broke both ankles. I want to say he died from a broken neck.

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Ha, shut up man. I've read and checked out many books son. And oh yes, many crashed pretty good. For instance, when I read band of brothers, they said their general went on a prep-run in one just to see how glider inf. was and ended up getting some broken ribs. I don't get info from SPR, but it was an example people can relate too since most have viewed the movie have they not(thats why I said "for instance")? Sure it may have been overloaded or whatever, but still a lot of gliders came down like my r/c airplane last week. So, yes, landing in a glider isn't like setting down in a 747, it's a little more eventful.

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"Son", that's cute. What I took exception to was the statement "came down like meteors". Yes, it was basicly a controlled crash landing, but they didn't plummet from the sky, as that suggests. I'm sure the landing was bumpy, I don't believe the wheels had any kind of shock absorbers, but the pilots were well trained and they were landing in large open areas for the most part. It wouldn't make much sense to send in large groups of soldiers that way if they knew most of them would be injured/disabled before they even encountered the enemy.

As for the SPR nonsense, every time some quotes it as absolute fact, it just increases the uneducated's faith in it as a completely accurate source, spreading further foolishness.

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I know, I was just trying to make an example of what is going to happen when someone who can't fly gets behind the yoke.