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German Panther G Last version of the Panther to reach the frontline. It was also the most numerous, with more than the half of the built units. The Panther G will take part in every battle of the third Reich, from the Normandy up to Berlin. http://forgottenhope.bf1942files.com...er_G_Small.jpg |
Re: German Panther G OOh it looks so good, and even without a skin, this should keep peeps happy :D |
Re: German Panther G One word: Divine. Thank you gods of modelling for both Panthers. |
Re: German Panther G you guys are my new religion! haha it looks so good! cant wait to blow it away with a 'zook!!! |
Re: German Panther G WOOOOOOO UPDTAES!!!!! OMGZZZ!!!!!!!!!! *runs around like a tard hugging various staff members out of sheer happyness* Whoa! That's a StugIII G quality or better model! :eek: Good job guys..... give yourselves a pat on the back |
Re: German Panther G You've done it again! |
Re: German Panther G Good job. The dimensions on both models seem a bit different. Is it supposed to look like that? The D model tracks seem ok, but the G model tracks don't look like panther tracks: they should be hanging on the top, like on the D model. You must use the same tracks for both models, what's gonna be? I suggest the D ones, which must have less polys. |
Re: German Panther G Does that thing have a turret, or is it like a panzer2 (i think) or crusader? |
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Re: German Panther G Hey the panthers look nice :D But theres only one thing im worried about.. ive noticed this only on the G panther. on the right side tracks, at the rear. You have the wheel as a squarish block poking through the treads... ive seen that on a few tanks ingame and was wondering if you guys plan to fix that before releasing it. |
Re: German Panther G Niiiice model! |
Re: German Panther G Lost for words.....can't wait until I can jump in one of those.... |
Re: German Panther G @ww2freak i allready know about the tracks and they are allready fixed ... the render is just not updated |
Re: German Panther G Umm sorry to be the only complainer but isnt the G model supposed to have the added on chin armor? D and A model had the rounded gun manlet but the G had a flat chin piece cast into the manlet. Some D and A models were destroyed when incoming rounds hit the bottom half of the rounded gun manlet and were deflected into hull roof or front of turret base. The added on chin armor was supposed to prevent that, by eliminating the shot trap. Doesnt mean I wouldnt jump up and down in joy at having my favorite tank of WW2 to play in. |
Re: German Panther G @Anlushac11 not all G had chin armor ... also i think there was 2 types of the G version (im absolutly notsure about this, but when i wanted to add this plates i saw it dosnt really fit with the model... i have here a book with a different panther G than i have it on my blueprints - the one on my blueprints has no chin protectors, the one in my book has ... and the hull of the one with looks strange, i cant tell you what but something does look different on the one in my book - so i suppose there was 2 G versions, one with and one without protectors) |
Re: German Panther G panther and all the rest http://www.achtungpanzer.com/profiles.htm cool mod by the way! |
Re: German Panther G looks very good |
Re: German Panther G The Panthers were Medium Tanks(german classed), not heavy... Good model btw :) |
Re: German Panther G OK, enough of this BS! Everyone knows that we're just skirting the issue. . . When are we gonna get our hands on one of these? http://www.wwiivehicles.com/images/g...Elefant_05.jpg |
Re: German Panther G Dont get me wrong, I will still be giddy with anticipation for a Panther. I have also seen comments about the chin armor and it seems the Germans were notorious for rebuilding. It was not at all uncommon to see G turrets on older hulls and A and D turrets on G hulls etc. Same with Pz IV's. One historian said it was confusing sometimes because field rebuilds were common due to necessity. US did same things with Shermans. Whatever it took to get them to the front. |
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In real life no tank or AT field cannon could take it out, it was one of the best armoured vehicles in the war with 200 mm front armour and 130 mm plates covered the rest of the structure. It was invulnerable to all but aircraft and.......common infantry ! The germans tried to solve that by adding a platform on the back of the structure that could carry a few Panzergrenadiers to prevent it being attacked by infantry, but that only resulted in high losses amongst the Panzergrenadiers. THe desperate crews of these monsters have been known to attach mg34 under main gun barrel and pull the trigger with a rope, or even fire the MG34 through the main gun barrel itself ! Bisons, Panzerjager, Wespe, Hummel and some versions of Marders had that no mg problem too, but all carried a MG34 that could be mounted on the gunshields to defend themselves in case of infantry attack on their vehicle. I hope that will be represented in FH too. |
Re: German Panther G LOL. I'd love to EXpack that thing. |
Re: German Panther G It´s splendid. :thumbsup: With good textures this could get a favoured vehicle among players. |
Re: German Panther G @ anlushac11 The picture here that you posted http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/panste.jpg This picture is also a Panther G model with steel-rimmed wheels and it is not the D variant that you said. |
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I mainly used that pic to show the differences in the turrets gun manlet but you are correct they are both G's. And after researching further early G's did not have hte chin armor, later models did. So, my bad. |
Re: German Panther G @ Master Minder There weren't 2 versions of the panther Ausf. G The Panthers were changed steady during the production ran to bring the latest technology to the front. A lot of changes are taken from the develpoment of the Panther II by the way. In middle of 1944 a new chin was added, because of the reasons Anlushac11 wrote about. So all Panther G produced since the middle of 1944 had the new chin. In general there are only a few visible things to differ the different versions: Ausf D had originally a vision port at the fornt and another port for the MG, later D models had a machine gun with a ball mounting early models had two floodlights, later only one Ausf A vision port at the front; machine gun with a ball mounting one floodlight Ausf G vision port replaced by a periscope; machine gun with a ball mounting; one floodlight later models had a new chin (some very few models had steel wheels like the one of the Königstiger) So I suggest if there is an extra model for the Panther G, it would be reasonable the add the new chin. Here are some good pictures of the different Panthers: http://panzerlexikon.de/galaus/panth.htm PS: ähm, just another hint: unlike on the Panther D render there are no floodlights on the Panther G render |
Re: German Panther G Way to double post n00b........ it's called the EDIT BUTTON! USE IT! It's like magic! :eek:----->http://www.gamingforums.com/images/v...ttons/edit.gif |
Re: German Panther G Ok just to sort this out, it is a Pzkpfw V Ausf G Panther early production model. The only question I have is the exhausts. http://www.jagdtiger.de/GermanTanks/PzV-22.jpg Just to sort any further questions here are more views; Pzkpfw V Ausf G Panther (Early prod.) mit FG1250 http://www.jagdtiger.de/GermanTanks/PzV-17.jpg http://www.jagdtiger.de/GermanTanks/PzV-18.jpg note rubber roadwheel rims http://www.jagdtiger.de/GermanTanks/PzV-19.jpg http://www.jagdtiger.de/GermanTanks/PzV-21.jpg Note also, the zimmerit paste is a postwar addition and commanders turret equipment are a replica. This Panther is regularly driven and was used during the funeral procession of a Wehrmacht General recently. http://www.achtungpanzer.com/images/panste.jpg This Panther G was fitted with Henschel Tiger late production roadwheels for the Panther II project. The actual vehicle is held at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds. May I suggest that when the Ausf D is textured you use the Dark yelllow as all over base coat with either Dark green or Red brown (and combined) as the camm pattern. Then texture the Ausf G with Dark Green overall base coat with Dark yellow and Redbrown camm. Note the above pictures are representative of late war camm and vehicle markings. If the D is to be used on a winter map then the textures would be Dark yellow with whitewash, this also applies all german armour post 1943. Hence all german armour post November 1944 were darkgreen with whitewash for winter camm or a combination of field green, dark green, red brown, panzer grey and white in a disruptive pattern. |
Re: German Panther G about the exhausts we can discusse, but i have pics here showing the exhausts i made (like allready somebody said, germans used what they get, if they had a panther D hull and a panther G tower they simply build a panther D with panther G hull.. so there are MANY different versions) - zimmerit is going to be skinned ... not modelled ... and this rims take to many polys ... i dunno how much you know about engines or modeling, but we cant make everything we want to do .. |
Re: German Panther G Hi, great model... haven't tested the FH yet, but I'm sure to do so TODAY!!! I think the Panther G -model had a "shot trap" under the gun mantlet, or in the lower gun mantlet. the shot trap prevented a ricochet from gun mantlet to penetrate upper hull at weak point. The upper hull/ deck was only about 20mm thick, if a recall correctly. BUT anyway a amazing model.... MikuLEE,..... :rock: |
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The chin armor was my question regarding the model of the Panther G. I was under impression all G's had the chin armor but I was wrong. Turns out the chin armor was introduced on later production models of the Panther G's. EDIT: BTW got to play the Panther last night in Bagration and its my new love. Was killing T-34's fairly easily until a T34/85 got behind me. |
Re: German Panther G Yes, but the new mantlet with the chin armor was, except for the removed vision port, the only thing that differed him visibly form the Panther A. Anyway an Panther G early is amazing too, especially because only a few Panther G with new mantlet had Zimmerit Paste. (The new mantlet was introduced in september and the Zimmerit was cancelled on september the 9th) @ FryaDuck Some Panther G had flame-suppressing exhaust pipes. Your pictures show an Panther G special model "Sperber", who had IR nightvision devices and the flame-suppressing exhaust pipes were needed for night operations. Are there night-maps in FH 0.6?;) see: http://www.missing-lynx.com/articles...dw/panth-2.jpg (but this is an late Panther with improved mantlet) http://www.wargamer.com/Hosted/Panzer/pantherc.html |
Re: German Panther G the problem here is: i really would like to add chin armour, but i cant - it dosnt fit with the hull (there is no space to place the chin armour) - thats the main problem why ... i would have to overwork about 30% of the hull if i would add chin armour .. the model could be fixed soon but the skin would take long... i dont think its that important if the pantherG got or dont got chin armour ... |
Re: German Panther G true rather get that IS-2 done ffs ;) |
Re: German Panther G Master Minder, Yes dont worry about the chin on the mantlet. Just worry about fixing the mantlet itself. It is to narrow. It is easy to see when compared to the D model. Also are you fixing the road wheel configuration? And the tracks? They seem to narrow, and they sag way to much. Look at the D model, by Omni. It is almost perfect. |
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Re: German Panther G Masterminder My query of the exhaust was more along the lines of isn't the flame trap exhaust easier to model and have less polys? The chin is not necessary and won't change any aspect of the game as shots are not deflected off the gun mantle into hull roof, which is what the chin was designed to prevent. The only other question is like why isn't it skinned, faster faster more more. Blackeagle3500 You would also agree that not all Panthers received a Zimmerit coating pre September 44. I have newsreal footage of a late G with chin, flame trap exhausts and zimmerit as well as D's and D1's and A's without Zimmerit. I thought the "Sperber" was also called the Vampyr but whatever they were named they were used during daylight. My example pics are exactly what they are examples. During the war 801 didn't have zimmerit applied and it wasn't fitted with the FG1250. This is the problem of museum curators not going to the required lengths to ensure their charges are correctly displayed. Ultimately, if the only thing I could be pickey about is the exhausts then the rest must be bloody good! |
Re: German Panther G Orginaly posted by, Blackeagle3500 "Yes, but the new mantlet with the chin armor was, except for the removed vision port, the only thing that differed him visibly form the Panther A." Not true. The hulls differed. The G hull's sponson undersides were straight. The D and A had a weded plate toward the rear. |
Re: German Panther G G's were also supposed to have redesigned hull hatches and removal of the drivers visor in the hull glacis plate. |
Re: German Panther G @ FryaDuck "You would also agree that not all Panthers received a Zimmerit coating pre September 44." The Zimmerit coating wasn't introduced in september 44 it was cancelled in september 44, so I would say not all Panthers pre september 44 got Zimmerit. " I have newsreal footage of a late G with chin, flame trap exhausts and zimmerit as well as D's and D1's and A's without Zimmerit." Zimmerit was introduced in September 43, the Panther A was introduced in August 43, so there were Panther A without Zimmerit. The new mantlet for Panther G was introduced on september 1944 and the Zimmerit was cancelled on september the 9th 1944 the new exhaust was yet introduced before the new mantlet, as your picture shows, so there could be some few Panther G with new mantlet and exhaust and Zimmerit. By the way: Zimmerit wasn't only a productio feature. It could be additional added on the tanks; even if they were still painted. Sperber was the name of the night-fighting panther special units. There were two solutions (german:"Lösungen") "Lösung B" was a Panther with IR devices for commander, driver and gunner. "Lösung A" was a Panther with IR devices only for the commander, an halftrack with an extra IR floodlight and another halftrack with a Panzer Grenadier Squad with nightvision devices "Vampir". And night-fighting special units operate during the night. "G's were also supposed to have redesigned hull hatches" Your right, my fault. "removal of the drivers visor in the hull glacis plate" I already mentioned that ("vision port replaced by a periscope") @ born2lift what do you mean with "The G hull's sponson undersides were straight." |
Re: German Panther G Flame trap exhausts were fitted from October 44. This all matches up with the footage which, I believe, is from the Ardennes offensive in late '44. The only thing I can figure is which unit the Panther belonged too as the markings are indistinct. |
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