great model... haven't tested the FH yet, but I'm sure to do so TODAY!!!
I think the Panther G -model had a "shot trap" under the gun mantlet, or in the lower gun mantlet. the shot trap prevented a ricochet from gun mantlet to penetrate upper hull at weak point. The upper hull/ deck was only about 20mm thick, if a recall correctly.
BUT anyway a amazing model....
MikuLEE,.....
The chin armor was my question regarding the model of the Panther G. I was under impression all G's had the chin armor but I was wrong. Turns out the chin armor was introduced on later production models of the Panther G's.
EDIT: BTW got to play the Panther last night in Bagration and its my new love. Was killing T-34's fairly easily until a T34/85 got behind me.
Yes, but the new mantlet with the chin armor was, except for the removed vision port, the only thing that differed him visibly form the Panther A.
Anyway an Panther G early is amazing too, especially because only a few Panther G with new mantlet had Zimmerit Paste.
(The new mantlet was introduced in september and the Zimmerit was cancelled on september the 9th)
@ FryaDuck
Some Panther G had flame-suppressing exhaust pipes.
Your pictures show an Panther G special model "Sperber", who had IR nightvision devices and the flame-suppressing exhaust pipes were needed for night operations.
Are there night-maps in FH 0.6?
the problem here is: i really would like to add chin armour, but i cant - it dosnt fit with the hull (there is no space to place the chin armour) - thats the main problem why ... i would have to overwork about 30% of the hull if i would add chin armour .. the model could be fixed soon but the skin would take long...
i dont think its that important if the pantherG got or dont got chin armour ...
Master Minder, Yes dont worry about the chin on the mantlet. Just worry about fixing the mantlet itself. It is to narrow. It is easy to see when compared to the D model. Also are you fixing the road wheel configuration? And the tracks? They seem to narrow, and they sag way to much. Look at the D model, by Omni. It is almost perfect.
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the problem here is: i really would like to add chin armour, but i cant - it dosnt fit with the hull (there is no space to place the chin armour) - thats the main problem why ... i would have to overwork about 30% of the hull if i would add chin armour .. the model could be fixed soon but the skin would take long...
i dont think its that important if the pantherG got or dont got chin armour ...
I am a Panther fanatic and I can live without the chin armor. Besides usually I am too busy to notice small things like that. We have a Panther in game and that is all I care about.
Masterminder
My query of the exhaust was more along the lines of isn't the flame trap exhaust easier to model and have less polys? The chin is not necessary and won't change any aspect of the game as shots are not deflected off the gun mantle into hull roof, which is what the chin was designed to prevent. The only other question is like why isn't it skinned, faster faster more more.
Blackeagle3500
You would also agree that not all Panthers received a Zimmerit coating pre September 44. I have newsreal footage of a late G with chin, flame trap exhausts and zimmerit as well as D's and D1's and A's without Zimmerit.
I thought the "Sperber" was also called the Vampyr but whatever they were named they were used during daylight. My example pics are exactly what they are examples. During the war 801 didn't have zimmerit applied and it wasn't fitted with the FG1250. This is the problem of museum curators not going to the required lengths to ensure their charges are correctly displayed.
Ultimately, if the only thing I could be pickey about is the exhausts then the rest must be bloody good!
Orginaly posted by, Blackeagle3500 "Yes, but the new mantlet with the chin armor was, except for the removed vision port, the only thing that differed him visibly form the Panther A."
Not true. The hulls differed. The G hull's sponson undersides were straight. The D and A had a weded plate toward the rear.
Last edited by born2lift; December 5th, 2003 at 02:39 PM.
"You would also agree that not all Panthers received a Zimmerit coating pre September 44."
The Zimmerit coating wasn't introduced in september 44 it was cancelled in september 44, so I would say not all Panthers pre september 44 got Zimmerit.
" I have newsreal footage of a late G with chin, flame trap exhausts and zimmerit as well as D's and D1's and A's without Zimmerit."
Zimmerit was introduced in September 43, the Panther A was introduced in August 43, so there were Panther A without Zimmerit.
The new mantlet for Panther G was introduced on september 1944 and the Zimmerit was cancelled on september the 9th 1944 the new exhaust was yet introduced before the new mantlet, as your picture shows, so there could be some few Panther G with new mantlet and exhaust and Zimmerit.
By the way: Zimmerit wasn't only a productio feature. It could be additional added on the tanks; even if they were still painted.
Sperber was the name of the night-fighting panther special units.
There were two solutions (german:"Lösungen") "Lösung B" was a Panther with IR devices for commander, driver and gunner.
"Lösung A" was a Panther with IR devices only for the commander, an halftrack with an extra IR floodlight and another halftrack with a Panzer Grenadier Squad with nightvision devices "Vampir".
And night-fighting special units operate during the night.
"G's were also supposed to have redesigned hull hatches"
Your right, my fault.
"removal of the drivers visor in the hull glacis plate"
I already mentioned that ("vision port replaced by a periscope")
@ born2lift
what do you mean with
"The G hull's sponson undersides were straight."
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