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Re: German Panther Ausf. D

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Originally Posted by Killor

IIRC it's Ronsonol after the Ronsonol lighter. And it's Zippo that uses the catch phrase "Always lights on the first strike!" 'cause it says that on my Zippo warranty.

Never heard of a Ronsonal, but I have heard of Ronsons.

http://www.flyingtigerantiques.com/i.../1011_007.html

And the Sherman being called a Ronson is well publicized. My bad on the Zippo motto but I have seen that attributed to the Ronson as well.

Anyhow you get the idea.

Re: German Panther Ausf. D

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Originally Posted by Killor

The KV wasn't very good, the IS was OK but the IS-2 wasn't exceptional at AT.

Way to give good reasons for your statements, jackass. The fact of the matter is, T-34/76s and KV-1s dominated the German Panzers until the introduction of the Panthers, which were then matched by T-34/85s. The Tigers were successful in 1943 up until the introduction of the IS-1 and the SU tank destroyer models. The IS-2, the most advanced tank in the world, then ran the show up until the German defeat in Berlin.

And all of these myths about the "great" King Tigers are false. In fact, they were less successful than the early Tigers since they were rushed into production and assembled with lower-grade metals. Here's a pic of a King Tiger than got taken out by a 57mm AT gun!

http://www.battlefield.ru/destroyed/germany/king_06.jpg

Re: German Panther Ausf. D

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Originally Posted by Artie

Yep, taken out by a lowly soviet cheap 57 mm field AT gun......

Better prepare being flamed some more Artie......a lot of (flamer)posters still want to hang on to the legends of the invulnerable tigers, first brought into the world by the smart propaganda minister Goebbels. For them it is the same when you tell a 12 year old kid Santa claus doesn't really exist.......

A little study of armour penetration charts would make them wiser.....but they refuse to study that, probably afraid what the conclusions will be. You should have read the thread where i posted about the inferior quality of the armour plates of the King Tiger , caused by severe shortages of essential materials for alloys at the end of the war......i was flamed to hell and back ! But these were the real life facts....

The design was perfect......only the engine wich broke down all the time because it was severely underpowered for the weight, and the weak armour ( it was thick enough, but lacked hardness and thoughness of good quality armour) In reality it was nothing more then a bunker that could move.

When i would have had good quality armour, and a way more powerfull and reliable engine it would have been a dangerous tank.

Ofcourse for the FH game it will be the ideal king tiger that germans could only wish for. But i like it that way too, it is still a game.

Re: German Panther Ausf. D

Here's a listing of what I think should eventually be added ingame. I'm sure I'm missing some stuff...

BT-7 Light tank
T-26 Light tank
T-40 Light tank
T-60 Light tank
KV-1 Heavy tank
IS-1 Heavy tank
IS-2 Heavy tank
SU-85 Tank destroyer
SU-100 Tank destroyer
SU-122 Tank destroyer
ISU-152 Tank destroyer
BA-6 Armored Car
BA-64B Armored Car
NKL-26 / RF-8-GA98 Snowmobile

57mm AT Cannon
76mm Field Guns
85mm Field Guns
107mm Field Guns
152mm Howitzers

IL-2 Shturmovik
Yak-1
La-7
TB-3

Mosin Nagant Rifle/Sniper Rifle
SVT-38 Semi-Automatic Rifle
Ppsh 43 SMG (Ppsh 41 is already ingame)
PTRD Anti-tank rifle
PTRS Anti-tank rifle
Maxim Machine Gun

Authentic Soviet Uniforms!

Re: German Panther Ausf. D

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Originally Posted by Beast of War

Exactly. Everyone should check this article out. http://www.battlefield.ru/library/bo.../weapons7.html

Re: German Panther Ausf. D

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Originally Posted by D-fence

Why no Kv-2?

Those were actually produced before the KV-1 (1940), but yeah, that would be another good addition.

Re: German Panther Ausf. D

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Originally Posted by Artie

Exactly. Everyone should check this article out. http://www.battlefield.ru/library/bo.../weapons7.html

They already know that article.....

They don't consider it "representative" that it is being test shot by SU 100 and SU 122 guns, found on common soviet tank destroyers or assault guns. That it was molested at the real eastern front by these weapons doesn't seem to come to mind....

But 76 mm of the common ZIS 3 gun went through aswell.......it really was crappy steel.....

Re: German Panther Ausf. D

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Originally Posted by Killor

There is no magic armor.

Beast, what are you a moron? Of course, ANYTHING can be taken out if it gets hit in the right spot. That's common knowledge. I'm really starting to doubt your sanity.

Quite a few Abrams were also knocked out in Iraq. Keep shooting them with AT fire and sooner or later you'll hit a sweet spot. That's ANY tank. No matter how much armor.

Also, the King Tiger was FAAAAR from perfect. The closest to "perfection" would probably be the Pershing, which was easy to mass produce and had a lot of power. Especially the super Pershing. Something that big and heavy would be airtarget bait.

Better watch what you say Killor...the Tiger and King Tiger are like holy relics in here...

Even (some of) the FH devs were on the defensive on this subject......

Re: German Panther Ausf. D

I agree with Artie at one point:

FH SHOULD HAVE MORE ALLIED ARMOUR.

PERIOD.