Re: German Panther D
 

how about applying zimmeritt on the panther

Re: German Panther D
 

Was anything changed in the update, I cannot see anything different though from the angle it does look a tad better.

Re: German Panther D
 

You know, I gotta agree with a lot of people on the detail. It dosen't seem to be changed at all from the one that's currently plastered into those custom map pack levels. And while from far away it looks cool, up close it just comes up lacking in comparison with the greatness of others. I'm glad it's a WIP.. you might want to specify that on the front page like you did with the vastly improved G43.

Also, a 5 ton sniper rifle seems like something more geared towards DC... :-)

Re: German Panther D
 

5 tons? A Panzer II weigh 10 tons..

Re: German Panther D
 

The skin looks fine, althou it's lacking detail, like dirt splashes. But the model isn't not so good, it's lacking detail and has some quite big mistakes in it, like the end of the barrel. I believe, according to this site, the D model didn't have a ball mg. Hope they can make a better one, a tank like Panther deserves it.

Re: German Panther D
 

[QUOTE=SensesFail]alright, I write this post in all honesty...


Commendable Skinners/Modellers on the FH team that I've seen so far:

Lobo
Subbo
Raze
MasterMinder
Dfast

QUOTE]


seems like im bad ;)

Re: German Panther D
 

Objectively, I agree with posts. However, I don't render models and skins and I appreciate this work in progress (better than most others). :dance:

Re: German Panther D
 

he missed rad and razor and a bunch of others as well i wouldnt put too much thought into it old chum

Re: German Panther D
 

[QUOTE=ArminAce]Aw, AA is good skinner, though I haven't exactly seen any new skins coming from ya, bit busy?

Re: German Panther D
 

Looked back and you skinned the B-26, looking good :thumbsup:

Re: German Panther D
 

actualy alot of the people on the team have alot of talent. It just depends on what piece of work you look at.

for example here is one of omni's models that doesnt look so good (I think because they were going for the lower poly count higher performance at the time).

http://forgottenhope.bf1942files.com...n/g43_rend.jpg

But now this tank model looks like subbo quality work.
http://forgottenhope.bf1942files.com...well%20Big.jpg

The fact that you left out so many names who are extremely talented just shows you must be new.

Re: German Panther D
 

It looks much better in the render now. Just plug in some minor details and it should be good to go (ie, more hull details, radio arial, ect ect)

Might I suggest to Bazza when he's skinning it to start off with a flat steel coloured layer with all of the panel lines in it, then adding camo overtop. This makes it a whoooole lot easier to skin multiple como patters.

and you guys still havnt fixed the spelling errors on the main page :p

Re: German Panther D
 

yeah i havent that much skinned latly because i worked on maps and much other "dark work" which needs 2 be done

my last one was the b26 (3 different skins)
my next one will be the A26

Re: German Panther D
 

There is NO ball MG on a Panther D. It had a flap on the radio operators side to shot through. And the drivers vision slot was a rectangular flap as well.

Re: German Panther D
 

I'm sorry to say this, but that panther looks really, really bad.
Looks like a BG42 model, it's not even worthy of Fh.

I hope that is a WIP?...Not the final model? It doesn't even look finished.

Re: German Panther D
 

That looks like one of my first modelling attempts. :uhoh:

Seriously guys, it's that bad!

Not to insult you or anything i know you're trying to churn out models and skins fast enough for 0.6 but please Quality over Quantity.

Take your time and do it right, you'll be happier in the long run and so will your community.

Re: German Panther D
 

The Panther is my favorite tank, that tank in that pic is not.

Re: German Panther D
 

lol

Re: German Panther D
 

I dont like the panther either.. but we can do so much better :D
it was just omnis low poly modelling technique that makes it lookin so bad.
and it looks bad..

Re: German Panther D
 

Are you making a new model for it? And not just a new skin =/

Re: German Panther D
 

Why the hell would you skin a bad Panther model and show it to the public?!

Re: German Panther D
 

That is the milliondollar question...

Re: German Panther D
 

here the panther G... will add shorts probably if somebody likes ...

will tweak the panther D now abit and add details you requested ...

Re: German Panther D
 

its not bad, its just missing details ... i even dunno why you dislike this panther - for me it looks awesome ..even if missing few details at model and skin ...

Re: German Panther D
 

MasterMinder..your Panther G looks superb.
Like a real Panther, far much better than the plain-looking Panther D. All your Panther G needs is a superb skin like on the Stug3G and it will be appearing in the FH fans wet dreams!

Re: German Panther D
 

its still WIP, thats why i haven't wanted to post it first ... and i dont have time to finish it yet - so much other stuff to do

Re: German Panther D
 

Master Minder, you are not probably the right guy to ask but will all tanks have individual sounds for their engines, guns, turrets etc... ? To me this is very important! Sound is everything!

Re: German Panther D
 

we're trying to ... but i'm not sure if in 0.6 ALL vehicles will have their own engine/turret/cannon sound ...

Re: German Panther D
 

I agree. :nodding:

Re: German Panther D
 

To me it's the best Panther model ever seen in a BFMod, even though it's low detailed yet. Pretty nice work! :nodding:

Re: German Panther D
 

Ok, i must cofess that this model is shit :( I don't even know why it's here in road to 0.6 . BUT! You ust know that it was my first tank model, so that's the reason why it looks so bad :/ I can make a new model anytime and i'll do it. This Panther was only posted, because it finally got a skin ( which is very good imho). And thanks for comments - i'm with you i also don't like this modell ;)

And to Senses Fail, well as you can seee i can model - the cromwell is made by me and it doesn't look bad, does it? Thank to this panther you can see that i'm still improving,:)

Re: German Panther D
 

Well omni, im glad to hear that you are going to improve it. You are not bad, not at all, i could never have done anything like that tank myself. A little more detail e.t.c and it will come out with flying colours ;)

Re: German Panther D
 

yes, your cromwell is very good omni, I can't wait to see it ingame and crush some pnzr4s with it.

Question, Why don't you just take Minder's panther G and tweak it into a D? It would save alot of time (all that really needs to be changed is a few hatches/guns and turret shape) and add alot to consistancy.

Re: German Panther D
 

Well, that's a good idea, and probably we'll do it that way, but then we will lose Bazaa's skin (which i really like) And i also want to show you that i can model ;)

Re: German Panther D
 

It would look much better, if you had consistant panther models, as oposed to (essentailly) the same tank modeled by compleatly different people. I'm personnally not a big fan of the skin, but im sure with something a little more high poly, he could pull off some nice stuff.

Re: German Panther D
 

Yes, it doesn't make any sense to model different versions, by different people.

You risk to get the same panther base with different armour shape, diferent turret size, etc. It's not worth it.
Same goes to a possible Jagdpanther model.

Same goes for Bismark - it must be done from the Tirpitz base.
You have a lot of models done with the DICE sherman and Panzer 4, and that's good. Saves time, work, and adds consistancy. Same goes for all models based on the T-34 hull.

You have to save time and work, or 0.6 will never come out. Besides, by doing twice two or more identical models, that's just a waste of talented modelers and skinners who could be working on something else.

Besides, by using most of the same mesh and colour scheme, it saves time to the skinners too, cause they just have to do minor modifications to skin layers and patterns.

Re: German Panther D
 

That reminds me i have gotten on the team for not using the M 7 preist tracks and hull on the M3 Lee/Grant

Re: German Panther D
 

Thats very good to hear!!! I hope you can make the Panther D look as good as the Cromwell! }> :thumbsup:

Re: German Panther D
 

"Quazi, as a team member you need to chill out when it comes to smacktards. Its really bad PR."

Im just stating my opinion.. im still allowed to do that ;)

Re: German Panther D
 

What i mean is:

During the war, there were many versions of AFV's, based on a specific hull of an AFV: Panzer IV, Sherman, T-34, Panther, etc.

It would help FH to be believable, if you would use the same hull dimensions for every single AFV based versions.

For example: the StugIII must have the same size and basic hull shape as the Panzer III, since it was based on it.

Don't make the same basic mistakes any other mod does. FH is different.

Please, omni, if there is another better model of a panther G, modify that one, keeping the same hull basic measures and save time and work.

There MANY allied forces tanks that are SIMPLY NOT THERE.

MANY people on servers accuse FH mod of being german-biased.
I don't believe in this, but since you have so few allied tanks, people just assume that.

I don't care about it, but PLEASE, instead of wasting time and work doing something from scratch, do a version of something that is already well done!!!! It doesn't make any sense to waste time and resources!!!

Instead of modelling -from scratch- just another slighty different version of a german tank that is already done, do some allied armour, for a change!...

Re: German Panther D
 

Sounds great!

Tho am I the only one who doesnt like the Cromwell's skin?..it kinda looks plastic to me. Not at all like the quality and 3d feeling of the Tiger and Stug3G skins..

I'm sure the camouflage color is the right one and all that jazz..but still..

The Panther G's side superstructure differs from the Panther D, but i'm sure you know that.

I've got a little idea btw. The Germans used Panther turrets as pillboxes, called "Ostwallturm" in Italy (the Hitler line) etc. Could be fun as an addition? Rather than having the unrealistic DICE Def guns and would sure look more natural inlands.

Re: German Panther D
 

I agree, the pillbox Panther guns would make a great emplacement defence.

Re: German Panther D
 

I've been following FH since NOV 2002...I haven't posted because I've never found it fit until they actually release their first version where I could actually critique their work rather than just comment on it...alright, well I posted those names (I don't know why I put Raze...he's a skinner form BHDown...I meant Rad...)...to me these are the best of the bunch...sure FH has other great talent such as Armin Ace, Barracuda, AceS, and the rest of the 50+ team, but these guys stand out...

Subbo - no one can deny the amazing skins he creates / for being a novice model he can blow most of the FH team away
Lobo - awesome modeller...most amazing for his quick speed and high quality skins (swordfish for example)
Rad - second best skinner, second only to Subbo...his skins look pretty life-like but still retain their game appearance
Master Minder - My opinion changes with the creation of the MG34 and M1 Carbine...since then his models seem top notch
Dfast - definately a talented modeller and skinner...one of the best modellers, a great skinner...and he's doing my favorite theater of the war...

I think its appropriate that we can all state our opinions in these forums instead of just bland "great job" comments...I'd like to see FH be one of the best mods out there...but I don't see how it can be without the support of the community and a truthful voice about our opinions on the mod...the FH mod is great, no doubt...but it has to be clear, as with all mods...that its not perfect...

Re: German Panther D
 

Preciselly what i am trying to do; alerting the FH team for mistakes or corrections that could be done.

And i do it, because i know they are the best team out there, and that they can do it. And because i love the mod. I would'nt even bother to say anything if i didn't, right?

Re: German Panther D
 

I agree. Soviets are in need of something more than the T-34 & T-34/85 in the current game.

Re: German Panther D
 

To be quite honest, I feel that the render simply doesn't do the skin justice, not trying to defend my work it's just how can you possibly judge it from seeing one maybe two screenshots of something...

This screenshot contains the same skin/model and quoting "that hull machine gun looks like a fucking broomstick" you can see what I mean about the render...

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/bill.mi...s/pantherd.jpg

Re: German Panther D
 

thats 3 shots of the skin and it looks bad from all of them.

actually this one makes me dislike it even more. I can see the lack of detail up close. and please please PLEASE don't tell me you textured the camo with a photoshop patern or filter.

the gun still looks like a broom stick. And a badly skinned broomstick at that. I would suggest you go study up on some skinning tutorials (i'd give you some, but i seem to have lost all my favorates)

Re: German Panther D
 

"And a badly skinned broomstick " It's the latest MG34 models skin by Rad.... What I justed posted did a complete flyby didn't it? MY point is to everyone, dont go about knocking peoples work until you have seen it in game, this applies to anyone elses work as much as my own.

Re: German Panther D
 

We mean the main gun, not the hull MG! :lol:

Go back and read what I wrote before.

Direct quote: "At least the BG42 version has a gun that doesn't look a fucking broomstick." Never did I say "machine gun".

Re: German Panther D
 

The next Panther that Omni does will be the best we've seen. He has improved with every model.

Here's an example of a Panther model I found on the web. This is the kind of quality we can look forward to with Omnis' improvements.
http://home.comcast.net/~osborne_ric...wiking_01.jpeg