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The whole conversation on the M13/40 seemed wrong so I looked it up.

The M13/40 has 25mm armor on the upper hull sides angled slightly off vertical. Lower hull is vertical. The front hull is about 40mm angled 30deg from vertical.

A US 75mm M2 cannon firing even the crappy M68AP round should have no problems killing a M13/40 from front or sides.

The M3 Stuart and Brit 2lbr both should easily penetrate it as well.

Is it intended for the Italian tanks to be field modified with jury rigged sandbag and tank track armor?

I have seen Semovente 75's and M11/39's and M13/40's with jury rigged armor add ons.

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If the M13/40 was so good why didnt the Italians win in Africa? :lol:

Neither the P26/40 or the Panzer III were used by the RSI, all of the P26/40s were used by the Germans, the majority didn't have engines and so their turrets were employed in fortifications. In May 1943 the Italians recieved 36 German armoured vehicles (12x Pz.Kpfw.III Ausf.N, 12x Pz.Kpfw.IV Ausf.H and 12x StuG.III Ausf.G), these equipped the Armoured Division M (really a strenghened brigade. They had only been used for training by the time of the surrender and were confiscated by the Germans.

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Thanks for the Info, i love everything from the Italians, when i read all the post, i start HOI2 and play as italian, im wonder, as heavy tank it has a Tiger Pic.. but it has different names.

I wonder if Any M13/40 faced a Tiger when Italy Surrenders...

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Grant shot to the front of a PzIII = phail :P Speaking of deflecting, anyone noticed bofors rounds deflecting off planes and enemy paratroopers? D: I think it still does damage, but it looks funny when it deflects :P

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hehe except the M13/40 don't got an 88 mm gun on it...

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you're right... why I thought they only took back the Pz.IV and stugs? weird.

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so did the M13/40 really that sturdy...?5 side hits from grant?...

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A grant is surprisingly easy to kill when you are in this thing. All you have to do is keep moving in really close circles around the grant and hit it up the arse every now and then.

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The M13/40 had the armor of a light tank and the weight of a light tank. It had a pretty decent gun for its weight class and was notoriously unreliable.

The M13/40 should not need 5 Grant rounds to knock out. One AP round from anything 37mm or larger to teh side should knock the health way down if not kill it. A second shot should kill it.

The PzIII's facing the M3 Grant had applique armor panels added to the upper hull front equaling 70mm. IIRC gun manlet was upgraded to 70mm as well.

The Grants wimpy low velocity (2000fps) 75mm AP round was having a good day if it penetrated 60mm of armor.

Any chance the user was firing HE accidently instead of AP rounds? HE would not do much to it, but one or two AP' should ahve killed it.

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very obviously no, i see that too many times for it to be a glitch/lag/accident, the grant have a hard time killing those M13/40 while crusader I don't...(the 2 pdr gun.)