3290610

Re: Quick grenade question

October 15th, 2006 11:34 PM

they can be depleted in FH1

3290920

Re: Quick grenade question

October 16th, 2006 06:50 AM

I want my ammo "dumps" to only have one type of ammo per box. So you don't have a magic box resupplying all kinds of ammo but various sorts for tanks, infantery handweapons, anti tank weapons, anti tank guns etc. If you really want to go "far" you could make one box for every kind of ammo but I supposed a small pile of boxes that has a few types of hand ammo in the pile creates enough of an illusion to validate it resuppling all sorts of handweapons.

3291211

Re: Quick grenade question

October 16th, 2006 10:16 AM

i agree, a reasonable time for pulling out a nade is needed to prevent spam and make nade tossing more realistic. "Americas Army" does this quite well, btw. not to long but not to short.
when you switch to nade its like switching weapons, takes a split second. then you click to pull pin, again takes a split second. then you click again to throw, which again takes a splt second as it does the throw animation.
the whole thing takes maybe 1.5-2 seconds, but is just long enough to make you realistically vulnerable.

of coarse this must be balanced against other weapon systems ingame, and player movement speed. Americas Army is a much like pprm in its pace.
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about ammoboxes!

i cant stand bf2's no ammobox setup.
ammoboxes are realistic!!

i agree having them everywhere is not. but not having any is complete crap!!!
i cant tell you how many times ive died chasing someone spamming the "need ammo" button, only to be ignored. and then die with only my knife swinging in the wind.....
leaving ammo supply completely dependant on another player is retarded, imo, especially in pub play. im sure it works fine in clan play. but in public its a joke. half the time there is no commander in public servers, and support dudes dont care if you have ammo most of the time, and certainly arent going to go out of their way to get you any. especially if they dont know you from adam.

90% of the time in bf2/poe2/opk/pprm/2142.... i die running all over the map looking for an ammo dude to drop ammo, who wont even drop any when you shoot him in the leg... NO THANKS!!!
not only that it contributes massively to the radio spam. it makes people hammer the "need ammo" button non-stop, while they hide off in the boonies waiting for ammo. ive spent half a map doing nothing because i had no ammo, and couldnt get any. yeah that was real fun,....not!
every ww2 battle i can think of had ammo supplies IRL, either ammo dumps or supply vehicles carrying the ammo supplies.
the whole problem with the BF2 system is, it requires another player (some 12 yr old usually) to actually decide to drop ammo for you. instead of it being automatic when you get close, like how ammoboxes work.
i dont care if the only ammo box is in main bases, but there must be ammo supplies that dont require another player to decide to give it to you. thats just utter crap, and my second biggest complaint about BF2 and the other mods. and one of the reasons i dont play any of them much. just to frustrating dying because theres no ammo anywhere and cant get any.

having ammo-supply somewhere is a must! preferably only in main bases for realism. keep the ammo supply dudes and trucks for supply out on the battlefield. thats a realistic setup, and doesnt leave people stranded with no ammo anywhere, unless someone decides to drop you some.

3291227

Re: Quick grenade question

October 16th, 2006 10:29 AM

As in another thread, destroyable bot ammo trucks that run in a pattern!!
** Not sure about implementation**

I think if you know a certain map is going to have ABC building here, DEF ruin here, GHI church here every time, there should be at least token fixed ammo/medical supplies.

On original topic, I think the grenades are ok as is. Of course, that box that someone is standing by chucking nades should run out at some point in time and space...

3291753

Re: Quick grenade question

October 16th, 2006 02:38 PM

I usually die before I run out of ammo....

3292199

Re: Quick grenade question

October 16th, 2006 05:50 PM

Heh, the destroyable ammo trucks remind me of Desert Strike.

Spainiard, change your sig size, soon. It is a bit big.

3292819

Re: Quick grenade question

October 16th, 2006 10:29 PM

The BF2 devs thought it'd help gameplay to have to rely on a teammate for ammo. *shrug*

The thing that gets me about BF2 is there is no longer X types of ammo. Remember how you could run out of grenades in FH1 but there'd still be bullets left? That's completely gone in BF2. A total step backward.

3292869

Re: Quick grenade question

October 16th, 2006 11:05 PM

Teamplay cant be forced, it just wont work, unless you add a mechanism to punish players for not doing their job. (like anyone would support that feature, bring me ammo, or i ptk you. lol) Especially if its an integral part of the game as getting resupplied.
Give players the tools for teamplay, and leave the level of which its used to the players. FH did it right, they gave us ammo trucks to deliver ammo. Theres your teamplay, totally discretionary. But if no ones doing teamplay today, your not screwed and unable to play the game after expending 2 clips. Unlike having no ammo anywhere in bf2, what if no one wants to play support dude? Oh well, too bad?


O.T.

Thats true now that you mention it, bf2's ammocrates dont supply ammo types seperately. I wonder if that can be changed, and if ammo types can be coded in? Otherwise there will be endless supplies of nades,fausts, piats, etc, from any permanant supply crate or truck.
Perhaps thats why they have no permanent supply crates anywhere in BF2, hmmm. Well thats not sounding good...