WHY AGAIN NO 109Gs or F??
 

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Once again the obvious answer is we are just humans and humans need to sleep, have family and need to work to pay the bills. About the selection of vehicles we add don't go by that way, vehicles like the VW and others are the dinstinctive touch of our mod and what makes it diferent of mainstream mods and games. Of course a BF109G could be developed for FH2, but not if you flame our beloved original vehicles ;)

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It is indeed a bit a shame.

But what's more of an issue is that the Bf109E is still used in late-war maps, and not replaced with the Fw190A, which is in the mod (in the Bombing the Reich map) and is more appropriate to the late war maps. Don't understand that decision.

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Ok seriously this is just getting tiresome now. If the devs modelled every single variety of vehicle in WW2 (You can justify the modelling of literally 1000s upon 1000s of weapons of war for a WW2 mod), well you'd need a team of thousands. There are currentely some variants of the 109 in FH, equipped with different weapons according to the theatre and time of the battle.


I dislike being rude to people but I'm strugling not to be an absolute dick to you. That is a single sentence epitomises the kind of attitude many people have on these forums and I'm starting to realise that the devs must get seriously pissed off by comments like that. One of the main reasons I love FH is that it not only has many new tanks, planes etc. but it also has other kinds of non essential vehicles. From the Bedford truck to the Sampan to the VW Beetle. They give FH so much character and atmosphere like no other mod or game I can think of.

I could whine endlessly about why the Valentine mark 9 isn't in game or the valentine mark 11. Oh well ...

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If you don't think it's that hard you should create your own mod or minimod for FH and change it the way you like it, not take it out on the devs for being human.

In my opinion i'd rather have 10 different planes then 10 different versions of a the same plane.

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FH has some of the best modellers but IIRC there are more modellers than skinners and there is a endless list of vehicles that still need to be done.

Some of the modellers perform double duty and model and skin their own products so it takes that much longer. Then we have the likes of Rad and Lobo who are perfectionists which means it takes longer but we get a amazing quality model.

Can anyone say they didnt say "Wow!" the first time they saw the PzIII Rad obsessed with or Lobo's beautiful P-51D on Hell Of Bocage map?

In the end we try to give you the best product we can. Unfortuantely you dont all speak with one voice so we cant always get out what everyone wants.

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just stop bitchin and be happy with what you got

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That skin (Big Beautifull Doll mustang) is not mine, was done by Mange, it was a mytic skin in the BF42 moding community because it's pretty and the first one done by a moder with shiny effect. Right before the release I realized that texture was not in the mod and I added it in our Bocage.

Re: WHY AGAIN NO 109Gs or F??
 

I make a simple logical question and uniformed ***** start flaming. Typical ! When one can't counter facts in an arugment then the loser will start to attack the individual. It was several updates previous to .7 were we told that "Jackal " aka "Evil_Sardine" had skinned the 109G and they stated "it was as good as anything in the great air sim "IL- 2 series" (that is very a impressive statement) also stating "it would be in the next release". I posted those details in the Planet Battlefield forum to help recruit FH players. So I ask why the 109G never made it? Very simple question. I have played the mod since .5 and IMO It is the best mod ever made for any game. The Panzer III finally made it into the mod - a vey good job indeed-but there was constant "bitching" about its absence for a hell of a long time.There was already a crap load of panzer variants in the mod so why bother with a Pz III in .7 when it could have waited for FH 2? One wonders if the "bitching" made it happen?

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Ok boys, take it easy. Jackal did the model but it was not skined. Next time post your concern politely and you will see nobody complains

Re: WHY AGAIN NO 109Gs or F??
 

Take it easy, there is no need for the attitude...

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If you took offence to what I posted - I apologise. I'm sure the devs want constructive critisism - that's great. If you reread your post you will see why people took offence from your post. I wasn't flaming you and I am not an uninformed **** thank you very much. It's demanding, rude and there is no politeness in it at all.

As for you pointing out that there were a load of panzer varaints in the mod, well the Panzer III was Germany main medium tank from 1940 - 43 (Although in 43 it was getting phased out) and was therefore a very important tank for a WW2 mod. If you look at the mod now, there are panzer IIIs in almost all 1940-43 maps - that is why the Panzer III was modelled. In fact I'm hoping for even more Panzer III variants for earlier war maps.

Re: WHY AGAIN NO 109Gs or F??
 

There were PzIII's present in Normandie and PzIIIM's at Arnhem.

IIRC there were still around 67 still listed as active in West in May 1945.

True it was no longer the main tank, as the PzIV-H/J and Panther replaced it.

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Considering the "flight model" of BF aircraft, I have a hard time imagining any real difference. The flight characteristics of all these aircraft are not even close to being modelled...I, for one, don't really care what the thing looks like.
There are excellent dedicated WWII flightsims where you can fly variation after variation of all sorts of aircraft to your heart's content, all accurately modeled as to weaponry, flight characteristics, and so forth.
I forget how many 109 variations are in the IL-2-Forgotten battles set now; it's a lot.

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No-one care to comment on this point?

Re: WHY AGAIN NO 109Gs or F??
 

There is a 109G in some maps in FH. Its on Kasserine Pass , Bocage , Bombing the Reich & Supercharge. It has a nose mounted 30mm cannon ( way underpowered in game though) and two MG's in the nose. It also performs better than the 109E.

Here is a pic of it here:
http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/589/109g9zf.jpg
Granted it does not look like a 109G and all the devs have probobly done is renamed the object tweaked the armament and handling but it is still in.

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That picture above proves my point. That is a model of the Bf 109E inspite of the label saying it is a 109G. Like I said in my inital post one could label the Russian ligth tank the BT 7 as a T 34 and assign properties of the T34 but that Still does Not make that model/skin look like a T34.

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No, the differences between the 109E and G are minimal, it would not be worth making a completely new model, just for some changes in looks. It's either an edited 109E, or nothing at all.

Though I do expect to see seperate models for the E and G in FH2.

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The label says its simply a Bf 109. Like someone's post above "just be happy with what you got". Thats my two cents.

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There are much bigger and noticeable, and therefore worth adding, differences between Panzer III (or any other tanks with several variants in FH) variants than between most different fighter variants.
Besides, as Mp5-Killa said, the non essential vehicles like the WV beetle that you seem to consider a second class addition compared to a slightly different BF109, actually make FH even more realistic (and cool of course) than if it just had every single model of a couple of vehicles.

I prefer anytime to have the devs surprising us with more vehicles like the WV or the Traktor than with a new model of the Tiger that's just different from the old one in a couple of details.

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As a hardcore 109 fan I take great offence to this! *slaps lightning with gloves*
It's like saying a 1967 Chevy Chevelle is the same as a 1968 Chevelle. They just look totally different! The Gustavs certainly outperform the Emils in the case of the 109 and look VERY different.
Are you saying a Me109-G10 is the same as any Emil? You better not be!
And yes I have modeled a 109G6 with the early cockpit and a 109G6 A/S with the later cockpit and better engine. The model can be easily made into the later Gustavs and Kurfürst variants since there isn't THAT big of a difference in looks between the Gs and K. Also, altering my G model into an F wouldn't be too hard.
I've had no time lately for working on FH things because of real life crap. So I've been inactive on the team while I pay bills and goto school full time. No one has taken up the offer of finishing the puppy off for me.

It will definately be in FH2. =)

Re: WHY AGAIN NO 109Gs or F??
 

Look at these pictures, dont say there are only small differences!
Bf-109E:
http://www.hasegawa-model.co.jp/zaik...images/JT8.jpg
Bf-109F:
http://www.ares.cz/hobby/smer/picture/0859.jpg
Bf-109G:
http://www.hsgalleries.com/gallery04...f109g6mm_2.jpg

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Ok, those differences are pretty big. I take back what I said. Now finish those models Jackal. :p I've never been a Bf 109 fan, but that G model looks pretty cool.

(Also, your sig is too big Werwolf1944. Maximum height is 160 pixels.)

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There's one thing that the Emil has that I wish the later versions had...

The Emil had two wing mounted 20mm canons. Yeah, yeah, the later variants had the option of a 30mm on the nose but those are for girly men. True hardcore 109 pilots use 20mm!

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You could make a Bf 109G-1 with underwing 20mm gunpods?

Might be cool to have random weapon layouts like that.

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I modeled the gunpods for it already. Most of the later 109s had the option of mounting 20mm gunpods and some could even take 30mm gunpods.

The gunpods cause drag and weigh down the plane so that's why I wish there was a Gustav with them built into the wing and the nose 20mm removed.

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So Jackal will finish the 109G and there will be a hotfix soon??? :cya:;)

I was a little bit disappointed to see that theres still no 109G in FH.
So many things are new or changed in 0.7 but....

I am a 109 fan and its a little bit sad. But anyway, if there was no one to make the skin on an existing model it shouldnt be.

Despite the fakt that the devs spend THOUSANDS of hours into this huge 2GB-mod without getting paid we got indeed the BEST mod ever made for a game!

*stillwaitingforfh2toflythe109gtheresoon*

:smokin: