Bf2 with Forgotten Hope, Concerns and Praises
 

Now, i see that everyone fall for the novelty of games (same thing when Vietnamn came, and then after a month or two the critisism came). Granted, i have only played the Demo naturally, and only for about 3 hours, but i did not find it so good. Me Personally think that DC is better, much more action, better sound, and just simply a better feeling. The tanks feels like jeeps, weapons like paint-gun-rifles :) But i am going on to test it again to see if it improves if i find a better server with better player, that can make all the diffirence. I ended up that day playing Forgotten Hope all day instead, great mod btw :D

NOW, onto the real subject :) The WW2 crowd is far bigger then modern-warfare crowd, so that speaks for the Forgotten hope Mod, but then again you have competition from.. i think it is 4 other mods, D-Day, Das reich, and two more i do nto remember the name of. So i hope as a previous thread stated, that the FH can release a "Demo-mod" fairly early to get the upper-hand.

Forgotten Hope feels very realistic, for some it is a nuisance for they cannot play around like Rambo anymore, for some it is loads of fun (me included). I love it that Forgotten Hope did not buy into the whole Crosshair phenomenom that BF2 and other mods has fallen into, naturally it should be on some weapons, but to have a "Sniper-sight" on a Machinegun well, does not feel very real :) So i hope that prevails.

As i see it, the major benefit from BF2 is the Squad System, Leader system, basicly all that. Now even if you do not have programs like Ventrilo, Teamspeak, etc, you can speak to others "Watch out, top floor, two Yanks went in there", etc, that would add vastly to the feel of the game. Weaponry, there i hope that the feeling of FH on BF42 prevails, that nice echoeing sound of the Mauser when one fires, it is just beutifull :D And i hope to hear roaring engines of Tigers as well.

However, there are concerns as well, first of all, would not the new BF2 involve the FH team getting new people skilled in something else ? I mean, there is quite a diffirence from doing animation of a tank moving his turret around, and the "raggdoll" effect. And changing the animations of certain weapons, perhaps replace the medic "Revival kit", with Narcotics and bandage :)

And all theese great maps Of FH either needs to be redone completely, or scrappet and new ones come along. Ive always wanted a Total Infantry level of Stalingrad, houses everywhere, and flags on top floor and such things, and then being able to to run around with a flamethrower would be nice :).

Bottom line is that i am concerned that the FH feel, and the feel of many of the other mods, is replaced with the rather "plastic" feel, that i think BF2 has, atleast the times ive played the Demo.

Just wanted to get it of my chest :D

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well, Competition in the WWI-genre isn't new to FH - look around, XWWII and BG42 were out way before Fh was, and still FH did gain the upper hand easily. As for BF2, FH has the advantage of a playerbase they don't have to gain again, and a good PR - other mods will be compared to FH, not the other way around. Plus I am sure that not every mod currently in teh works will finish a release. And should there be othe realism mods that try to deal with the same stuff FH does, why not merge or trade Coding stuff (a great concept I think, one mod gets a model and the other gets some code).

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I wouldn't be too concerned about the feel of FH when it moves to the BF2 engine. When compared to vanilla, even though bf2 is full arcade, it isn't as much as the original, and the FH team did a great job at moding vanilla ;)

And for the other mods, they'll need a shit load of work to compete with FH, they already try to cover most fronts and armies from 1939 to 1945, so there's not much left for the others mwahahaha :beer:http://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/pwned.gif
Still, a little demo with just 2 armies and 1 or 2 maps to show what they're capable of would rock :naughty:

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I am safe to say that i have played almost all ww2 mods for bf1942, and i have to tell you, that i always found FH to be the nicest, but for the first couple of months, Battlegroup was the mod i loved the most. The reason is fairly simple.

Battlegroup is like bf1942, with nicer graphics and same sounds. If you are good at bf1942, you are good at battlegroup, infantry battle is virtually the same, and you have much longer life-span, know several friends wh om just play battlegroup out of that purpose.

Then i started to test Forgotten Hope again, and found Antwerp to be a very fun map, and then i played Charlie Section, got killed always. But then for two weeks or so ago i and a friend joined up with Ventrilo, and fought as a team, and it was like night and day, a completely diffirent game evolved. And My God i dare to say that i have never had such fun as i had that day when it comes to battlefield.

Experience WW2 is a bad ripoff :D

So, in my view, Battleground and Forgotten Hope are the only mods "Needed" to go to Battlefield 2. Battleground, the simplistic ww2 fighter, that is just for fun. And Forgotten Hope, the realistic and fun mod :)

Il be damned if i can't go around with my Königstiger, with my best buddy on the side, Mp40, and sing, sing, Im a Sturmgrenadier, and Im Ok ! ;)

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And this about that BF2 is not as full with arcade as bf1942... perhaps you are right.. but then again, Bf1942 is something accurate, something that actually did happend, the Second World War, so battlefield 2 has much more a feel of arcade. I mean, they can't do a modern war game on real fights, for obvious reasons, but if they had like.. hmm, Desert Storm. One level you invade one of Saddams Palaces, on another you go around in the tunnels trying to find Missiles that don't exist or something (I KNOW, ridiculous excample for it would never be done, but bare with me). I think that Bf2 would feel much more like a .. game, and not a arcade, where you just go in to shoot, while you in BF1942 you fight at Omaha to Liberate Europe, or if you are on teh other side, push them back and Win the War. :)

But that is overall in BF2, so far for me, the general feel is just not there.. But i must get used to it so, i go to a gaming cafée on Wednsday, and play all day :) My own computer is on repairs :(

And tomorow il be going to one of the Secret Weapons level, IRL :D Im going to Peenemünde to look at some V2 missiles :D

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The competition is tightening. FH no longer is the only mod ever to feature the TKS Tankette.


http://warfront.bf1942files.com/modu.../wf-tksall.jpg

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yeah takiwa's warfront mod it looking real nice! i especialy like the fact that they are making the polish campaign and the moddels are amazingly detailed.

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The BF2 demo is great in many areas. It does confirm my original speculation about the game. The squad features are great and while VOIP screws up ventrilo, the sound quality is much better then CSS.
The commander adds a new level to the game for teamwork and gameplay.

What did disapoint me is the SDK for BF2 still won't be released until the game is out. HL2 had an SDK released several months before the game.

There are going to be plenty of competing mods out for BF2. SO I have come to the conclusion that I will need a bigger harddrive, faster connection, a new computer and to support the FH team anyway I can.

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My only personal fear is actually getting most of the current content into BF2's engine. I mean, some of the stuff needs bump-mapping, but to my knowledge BF2 has a completely new interface modification-wise. I'm also concerned that what we regard as great, top quality models now will look poor in contrast when ported over to BF2. I have noticed that even on DiCE's plain and standard models and skins, they are fairly more detailed than Forgotten Hope's. Just check out the M1A2 on graphics and lighting/textures set on high to see what I'm talking about

We're in good hands though, the Dev team are extremely tallented and reliable. They know what they're doing all too well. I mean, I still cant thank them enough for doing such a good job on the new Shermans...and well, my signature and avatar shows how much praise I've given to the new Italian content.

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It does look very sweet, might be a very dangerous competitor, even more so since they clam to aim an realsim to the level were it doesn't hurt gameplay, just like FH: good gameplay trough realism. Both mods are aiming at the exact same type of players.

Hope we are not going to see MC/BG42/XWW2 style fights again, that would be a shame.

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http://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/eekx.gif ahahahha! if these babies get realistic and correct weapons warfront might very well win me over

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Notice how Takiwa's tks models have what looks to be a cuppola where as the FH tks tankettes don't. Interesting observation is all

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Frontlines looks like it would be a good Realistic mod too for BF2 ......

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"
Forgotten Hope feels very realistic, for some it is a nuisance for they cannot play around like Rambo anymore, for some it is loads of fun (me included). I love it that Forgotten Hope did not buy into the whole Crosshair phenomenom that BF2 and other mods has fallen into, naturally it should be on some weapons, but to have a "Sniper-sight" on a Machinegun well, does not feel very real :) So i hope that prevails."

Wha? Didn't FH lead the way in having real crosshairs for a lot of the guns?

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it would be great if FH would just merge with warfront :) you could create the best WWII mod ever :)so many talented people,that would be sweet :D

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I'd doubt that would happen. A lot.

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yea i know.I was just thinking :) the more talanted people you have the better your mod will be :).I was wondering about new player models progress since they're in works already :D

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Man some of those models surpass some of FH's things.

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Yeah, but the have a helluva lot to catch up on. FH is too big for many mods to compete, and it has passed the test of time. FH will endure.

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no, it didnt.

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It would indeed. Lets hope both communities can act mature and maybe the Devs can work out a bit of a cooperation between the mods - doesn't have to be a full merger, though both mods compete for the same "market share"

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I have full confedence that bf2 will provide an exelent engine for us to mod off us. it has about 300x more modding capabilities then bf1942. You cant judge a mod off of the base game. Look at half-life deathmatch and counterstrike.

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HL2 is still waiting on the better mods to port over.. like Natural Selection.

BF2 will be great for FH. The Python Scripts alone will completely alter how it works.

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i love natural selection :) Oooonos!!!

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Yeah its a shining gem in a pile of feces that is HL1 mods.

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We'll see.....:smokin:

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I have had a play with the War Front mod they released a ver1.0 for BF42 it was ok but FH is far better I think they should take their time and release something that will blow us away.:bows:

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Warfront only got out like 1 version on BF1942 before they decide they were going to port and concentrate on the new engine, so they only released a 1.0 that was 430Mb how could that ever compete with FH when it was already at .67.

Takiwa's crew has been throwing out some quality stuff over on their team, I'm looking forward to their release as well, Frontlines seems to have been a bit idle lately..

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I second that, trust me guys I had my doubts but...wow...just wait.

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That reassures me NCOL, thank you.

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I hope that both comunities are mature, look what happend with real-feel, they just basicly stole FH and bashed everyone at theese forums who disaproved of the mod, and they are a dead mod, are'ent they?

So I will download both of them, and I will play the better one.
A merger would be great IMO, bigger comunity, better mod, and hopefully some easter eggs for me to find!:D

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yea some more devs or a public static contest would be cool

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No problem.

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Real Feel was intended as an addon to FH...unfortunately friendly forum members managed to scare them away. The Real Feel guys didn't bash forum members, nor did they steal FH content, seeing as they were trying to make an addon for FH, and not a seperate mod. Get your facts straight.:deal:

Real feel is now The Sharpest Point, which is a very good mod, but unfortunately has few players, due to BF42 being an old engine. Same with Desert Combat Realism.

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damn scared away you say?
that sucks!
why did noone try to get them back?

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i hope forgotten hope 2, wil ther very fast, when do you think it wil be ready??
i mean battlefield 2, is in stores by now, the first gamers are starting to play, so how long wil it be?

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it aint in stores yet atleast in europe
and how long it will take depends on whether the devs decide to bring out a "demo fh"
or a full release with alot of content instead of a demo...

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Amazon shipped my copy of BF2 today. Estimated time to receive is 3 -4 days.

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allright but your not in europe
estimated release for europe is the 24th...

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23rd....someone help me :(

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How can you know? You werent even a member back then...

Stole FH? What? I dont think you know what realy happened back then...http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif

As Matyas said, Real-Feel were "scared" away by some hardcore FH fanboys, and we decided to just create a stand-alone mod.

As for now, we call ourself The Sharpest Point, and have started modelling for BF2...

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"eventually" ? it isnt fixed yet?
c'mon stay and make a cool fh addon!
Fh needs some fresh wind like you or norwegian resistance!

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Not realy. As TSP aims for as much realism at possible, it cant ever be implemented in FH. But NR is a must to get included in FH!

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Cant be implemented?
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*runs For A Gun To Kill Himself*
*doesnt Find Any*
*damn Germany*

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After playing the demo for a few days I have big concerns regarding naval battles in FH2. Yesterday I jumped onboard of the rubberboat but there was no spot for me so I thought well I can stand here too so why "enter" the boat.

You get killed if you don't enter it :confused: and it is VERY laggy if the boat starts moving.
So I am very worried about walking on deck of a battlesip or carrier because I am afraid it isn't possible with the BF2 engine, on this moment.

The same is for the para plane at Crete, now we stand in that thing with 20 people while there is room for only 8, it lags then too a bit but it works.

Also the landingcraft to attack the beaches isn't possible or only with the spots onboard, no walking around or going prone, maybe the code of the tank turret can be used here to duck for cover.

Jump on a tank to shoot it from the top is also not possible anymore it gets you killed instantly. When driving a vehicle in BF2 you have to be VERY careful because is somebody bumps against it he is dead and you are a teamkiller.

Now I know why the carrier is a static they never got it working in this new engine.....

Hopefully I am very wrong in this and it can be easily modded and dealt with by the FH team and if some of you know already know please tell me.

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BLASPHEMY!! Hang the traitors! :moon:

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MBase I guess they are able to edit how sensible vehicles are and how much damage they do. Otherwise... shite.

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oh yea that would suck badly
anyone ever played joint ops?
it doenst have such high details but you can climb on everything and stay on it as if it was solid ground...
you can even park vehicles on other!

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hmm maybe the can use the codes for the back seats in the see/blackwawk, to site on the top of tanks, and you can stil defend your self (humvee to). so you dont need to stand on the tank..it could be used for other vehicles to.. but about the ships i dont know.

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Actually for the record on the real feel mod for FH, the reason people jumped it and scared it away was it took credit for something it didn't do.

The real feel mod didn't tell us on there site it was a mod for FH, it simply said a realism mod.

When FH forumers including myself questioned this the real feel crew started causing trouble and starting flame wars. What made it even worse was the fact that the real feel mod kept pointing out xww2 was more realistic and a far better mod than FH. They repeatedley told FH that they were only using FH until xww2 brought out there new version. They at no point in time ever gave credit to FH and this pissed people off.

So the mod was outlawed, it's now dead and contrary to what my fellow clan members Matyas and Gauntlet have said the mod actually stinks, I played it.