Charlie Sector - How often do you see Allies Win?
 

Hi All,

I would like to know how often you see Allies win on Omaha Beach "Charlie Sector".

If you are seeing the Allies win a fair number of times on the server you normally play on then please tell me what server it is and how many the server hosts, because I would like to play on that server and see how it's done. I play on the Wolf server which hosts 54 people and the Allies hardly ever win. If you have some good Allied Strategies then please share them with me! http://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/coolx.gif

Thanks!

One Tin Soldier

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Ive seen allies win 2 and i must of played it 50 times, the times we won it we firstly had a decent sniper and all the landing craft MGs were manned laying down good suppressive fire on the bunkers, as for the rest of us the strategy was CHARGE! CHARGE!! CHARGE!!!, basicly the longer you stay on the beach the longer you are in there open fields of fire so GET OFF THE BEACH !!!!, yes some of you will still bite the bullet but if you charge on mass then some will make it. When you get to the bunkers dont charge right up to the top without stopping, but hold a position say at the mid level until enough reinforcements arrive to make good your attack on the gun platform, and while charging up to the gun platform do not I REPEAT DO NOT STOP ON THE STAIRS!!! you must go on into the gun platform and then hold this position, until you cap the flag, then you can wait for alot more reinforcements and exit the bunker and again DO NOT STOP ON THE LITTLE STAIR CASE OR THE SLIT TRENCH OUTSIDE!!!

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Depends on the server.. On German servers Germans often join the German team making the map unbalanced. Also depends on the skills of the sniper, 95% of public players suck at sniping completely ruining the chances for the allied team. Hint for sniping: don't try to compensate to the scope sway, wait for the movement to stop on the bottom of the move, aim, fire, wait for the sway move to complete again, fire. Or alternatively just paint a dot on your screen with a marker...

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Did not vote because this is all about server population. If it's at 40+, the Germans can defend with ease unless they are idiots. If server population is less than 40 the map begins to balance. It gets easier and easier for Allied as you lower the server population.

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I have seen Allies win with a 50+ player count about 20 % of the time but that is if there are a lot of allies on team speak combined with a good sniper knocking out MG fire.

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and thats the truth.

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hmmm, I play quite a bit on wolf and see the Allies win fairly often. On a fairly consistent basis I see the Germans hold well for about the first 3/4 of the match and then the Allies typically break through and it's all down hill from there.

I can't count the number of times I've played German and everybody is getting all cocky b/c it's just a slaughter for the Allies and then all of sudden we're getting rolled up like a bad carpet.

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Thanks guys and special thanks to UTHER. Hi there Luger. :) I'm getting the idea that because I play on a 54 player server is good part of the reason Allies have such trouble winning on this map.

I need to get a hold of that sniper rifle. I can snipe. I will ask my M8's on Teamspeak just exactly where it is. ;)

Thanks and Cheers to all,

One Tin Soldier

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Actually i've seen that that the allies get raped even after they capture the bunkers. Those nebelwerfers get a spot and the guy just spams the bunker doors and keeps people from getting out.

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You can get out during the nebelwerfers load times.

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Autobalance is the reason for the allied difficulty on a large server. The allies need a numbers advantage (especially if the server is 40+ people). But if autobalance keeps the teams 50/50 there is a very small chance for the allies to be successful.

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You're right when you say the map is not fair. but in my opinion its the best ally map ! :D its the only map which make me happy playing allies. to fight meter to meter! Try to break through the right bunkers. than back to the left. later when the bunkers are down. the fights between the 3rd and last flag are great. far sight ! its a fantastic athmosphere. thats FH feeling for me! i love the map in this version! keep it! the only thing for change is the 1:3 balance for allies. bigger team for the allies!

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I've never seen the allies win, never......

I've rarely seen them even reach the back flag and cap it never mind win...

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I've seen the Allies hold the field, and still loose because of retarded timers before...

Most of the time they win. All you need is a German machinegunner who will willingly strike down, with righteous indigination, all his "team-mates" that want to go on the beach.

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This map takes some time for the break out to begin, so most of the time I see the Allies "lose" it is because the time ran out.

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With 0.66 the map was perfectly balanced, I always play in Wolf with 54 players and I take screens for our balancing studies, allieds win 40-50%

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Well maybe I just have bad luck Lobo and never manage to be on server at the right time. And maybe I just suck.. :lol:

The other day some guys managed to cap the back flag(a rarity when I have played) and it came down to a very close game, but the Axis still pulled off a win.

I will keep trying!

One Tin Soldier

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The last time allies won in my experience, we did the unusual but obvious tactic we had:

All 3 landing craft parked against the shore (not ram, gentle landing) and spread out, every 50 cal manned to supress all the MG42s.

Man, 80% of the Allies made it to the shingle with all those 50 cals covering.

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Thanks Frederf. On Teamspeak I will try and make sure everyone knows that this is the thing to do!



Lobo, check out the following, so far...


Poll = 29 people voted 33% or less(half of that is the 10% or less category)... 15 voted 50% or more.

So it I don't think it's just me. :P

Cheers,

One Tin Soldier

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On large servers Axis nearly always win. On small servers Allies nearly always win. The left flag is better for allies. They don't have to worry about the defgun in direct fire mode. Plus there is more than one way out of the bunker. The right hand bunker is suicide. What the defgun misses, I'll get with an MG34 :)

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And if you can get up to the lowest MG pit in that left valley (usually not well-defended after US gets bunker(s), and you're good with an RG, you can take out the left Nebelwerfer without exposing yourself.

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I see allies win a fair amount of the time -- I play allies 99% of the time and I don't care if we win as long as it's a good fight (which it usually is). It does get tougher with larger servers. Keys to getting off the beach: a good sniper and good machine gunners.

As a good assault boat machine gunner, I'd like to take this moment to educate my fellow GI's. In order for me to zap the bastards manning the bunker machine guns I need a stable firing platform, so:

1. When driving the boat, you are not Evel Knieval -- don't ram it into the beach at full speed to see how far inland you can get it. For some reason, the boat becomes unstable (also starts losing health). If you can, stop it right at the waters edge.
2. When you spawn on a beached boat -- don't have your finger on the W key, because if you're the lucky guy who spawns into the driver position, you're now ramming the boat into the beach, possibly slewing the boat aroun and screwing up my aim -- hit the E key 1st to exit, then start running.
3. If I'm laying down suppresive fire -- don't get in the driver seat and decide to see if you can relocate the boat (yes, this does happen).


That's me the 1% of the time I'm German - "Oops, sorry about that. Thought you were Allied. Better Sieg Heil more vigourously next time." ;)


The nebel werfer position on the west side is also vulnerable to sniper fire from the beach (clear shot straight up the draw)

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I play on Dead Meat 42 player server and I havent seen the axis win once even with camping on the beach one little punk makes it to the back and greys the flag and axis goes back to cap it and then allied get the bunkers then the middle and the map is pretty much done by then.

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I am not overexaggerating when I say that virtually every game of Charlie sector I've played the Allies win (except for a few low ticket games... but hey if you're going to have a 250 ticket point match you're going to have a short game). They need time but eventually the Allies will break through

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Depends on server time-limit. If the limit is around 30-50 minutes and the allies have a good sniper (Good means someone who [u]doesn't stay back at sniper spawn location or next to beach ammo crate[u]. Those who do are too far from the bunkers to be effective!), then Axis almost never win, cause even after 30-50 minutes, they haven't killed enough people to offset the ticket count (cause they got no MGs with the sniper killing them).

I play on Dead Meat, 42 players. I've seen allies win more often then axis, especially after 0.66 was released

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Ah the Dead Meat guys are the 1337age... I miss the sniper only days of bf42 :bawl:

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We still have it once in while check Warhaus.
BTW Charlie Sector would be better if it was a push map.

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the dissidents server
70.84.87.186
hosts 56

3.2GHz CPU
1 gig ram
100mbit connection
80gig HD
2003 Server


allies win over 75% time

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Hey Wolf Admin. Can you raise your servers tickets. And make the ticket bleed less. It gets on my fricken nerves.

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Its like this:

If the server has a lot of people, Axis wins.
If the server has under 24, Allies win.

That's it. I really like the new Charlie Sector flag arrangement though. They give allies a lot more of a chance.

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I know but its not the same as action on good old Mooner... not many people play bf42 sniper only now IIRC :\

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i agree on the mentioned tickets issue, allies hardly win on charlie or for example caen because they need sustained pressure over a period of time to make a breakthrough even if they do get a toehold the tickets by then are enough for about 5mins of action. everytime i play Caen on wolf, allies never get a single flag because of this. Big big tickets are needed on certain maps to do them justice, i am guessing seelow is another that will require a lot. i understand the boredom issue with an unpopular map + lots of tickets though.

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64 players, right played now with a bunch of happy gruntmates, just see the scoreboard :D

(we take screens since the 0.66 release, we don't trust in "I have never seen win X this map", solid proofs are required)

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a close shave though

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what are you considering a win? Taking all the flags and eliminating the enemy? or winning by ticket count... because I have NEVER seen the axis win by holding out AND tickets....