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12,000 a day is from one DEATH camp; more specificly Birkenau, not concentration

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Gun, can it. I suggest you read Ghost Soldiers. It the gruesome true story of the Marine, Army, and Navy POWs that were captured after the Philippines fell.

Here is one incident, verbatim:

The Japanese had the POWs dig an "air raid ditch". Well, half way through the digging the Japs sounded the air raid horn. But there were no bombers. Instead, the Japanese shot gasoline at the prisoners in the crowded ditch, then set them ablaze. Some escaped, but were shot as they were swimming away...

Did the US ever do anything like this during WWII? Never. As far as I am concerned, you are just an ignorant, idealistic little kid who doesn't know jack **** about the war.

Language

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Thats disturbing..... and sick

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your beliefs really blind you of the truth, READ THE TEXT

i know the JAPS DID HORRIBLE stuff http://forums.filefront.com/images/smilies/smilie.gif; i never said anything about the japs were doing justifiable stuff

since when are you all of a sudden a psychologist and know everything about me, your opinion of me is trash http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif

winners write history, winners can also hide history

lol he called me idealistic :lol: what a hypocrit

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is it sick and disturbing that the allies
burned 24,866 houses out of a total of 28,410 in one city?
bombing 72 schools, 22 hospitals, 19 churches, 50 banks?

killing 21,271 people?

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No offense intended Anluschac but this statement is pretty stupid. I'm sure most of them would agree with us, their last thought must've been something in the lines of "what the hell do I have to do with this war?!?!?" and not "omfg!!11 I hope my mighty airforce will do the samething to their childrens". Terror bombing is a crime, wether it is used by the germans, the americans, the english, the russians, Al-Quaeda or even by the airforce of Bhutan if they even had one. The number of deaths is not that important, an innocent is an innocent, nothing can justify the death of such a person. Now you will tell me the Germans elected Hitler and they supported him.. Well they were flooded with propaganda and the people trying to oppose the nazis usually did not live long. The Japanese did wrong, yes, but it is not because the japanese people was fundamentaly "evil", its was not because every japanese was the antechrist incarnate. You can't seem to accept the fact that everyone did their share of wrong to some extent in that war, even your beloved country. That's not so hard, the RCAF bombed germany along the RAF in Dresden and I think this was one of the most useless and barbarous acts of the war. See, I disagreed with the actions of 2 or 3 crooked evil canadian generals and I'm sure I won't be arrested for treason.

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no offence but wtf do you think i would think of that, war is a horrible place to be mixed up in. Tell me where you got this INFO from?

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yes komrad_b, both sides commited bad actions; the sentence for capital murder of 1, 20, 30,000 is the same

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the fire bombing of dresden

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............

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killing POWs and thats sick and disturbing but killing 21,000 people in a bombing is middle-of-routine for you?

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WHAT!? thats all sick nothing is lovly in war. but to delibritly put PoW's in a pit they dug and flame them to death is horrible. but also killing civilians not even a part of wars also horrible. "god dam"

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Admins, please ::lock:

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I do feel that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were necessary evils. It told the Japanese "Resistance is futile. Surrender or face total and utter annihilation".

And yes I do feel sacrificing 200,000 Japanese was preferable to sacrificing an estimated 1.7 million Allied and 10 million Japanese lives during Operation Downfall.

What I dont agree with was the firebombing of Tokyo and the bombing of Dresden.

What I also dont like is when people dont get the facts straight. Like in the History Forum when certain persons blamed the US and the US only for Dresden and totally omitted the fact that it was planned and organized by "Bomber" Harris of RAF Bomber Command.

Some of the people act like this was all a act of agression on a peaceful nation, and that it was during a time of war and that the so called "victim" had already established a pattern of atrocities.

You dont get to violate the rules when it suits you then cry foul when you are the victim.

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How were the Germans any better in their bombing raids over cities in the Netherlands, Russia, England and other countries?
Firebombing Japan and Germany, while bad, were byt far the lessers of two evils and was necessary for the allies to end the war. Withbout it the war could've carried on for years. With those extra years Germany would've been able to commit more atrocities in their camps easily. some factors on dead

Country Military Civilian Total
USSR 12 million 17 million 29 million
Poland 597,000 5.86 million 6.27 million
Germany 3.25 million 2.44 million 5.69 million
Yugoslavia 305,000 1.35 million 1.66 million
Romania 450,000 465,000 915,000
Hungary 200,000 600,000 800,000
France 245,000 350,000 595,000
Italy 380,000 153,000 533,000
Great Britain 403,000 92,700 495,000
United States 407,000 6,000 413,000
Czechoslovakia 7,000 315,000 322,000
Holland 13,700 236,000 249,000
Greece 19,000 140,000 159,000
Belgium 76,000 23,000 99,000


Doing the math the Allies had 37.28 million deaths while the Axis countries had 8.26 million total dead
Used a couple different sites for these numbers, anyhway, that shows how far worse the Axis was and how justified the Allies were, often.
These do not account for the Pacific either

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This is getting out of hand and is gotten off topic and is serving no purpose but o annoy me and several other users.

Closed on request.