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Lower class of players...... Is it just me, or are there tons of CS/Quake bunny hopping nubs all over now? i mean, i was on a server where there was an excellant game going, lots of teamwork-no profanity and very little tking. Then out of the blue this kestril or kistrel or some such name comes in and starts porpoise diving, bunny hopping all over the place. even after i kept taking him out with nades, mg42 -etc.. and several of his teammates asked him to act more dignified. This dumas* continued his moronic charades. Can the jumping be limited in the future patch? or at least make it health dependant so that if you jump it takes you like a reload time to have enough strength to do it again. I know in real life you wouldnt be hopping around like a crack-addicted rabbit. I generally love rabbit hunting-but not when i'm trying to stop the allied/axis hordes.http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif |
Re: Lower class of players...... Bunny hoppers can only do well because of sheer luck in FH. I don't see what the issue is as if bunny hoppers try to bunny hop their weapons will become way to innaccurate to use about 2-3 meters and then it's really not unexpected, hell, people would run and gun in real life at those ranges. BTW, porpoising doesn't help at all, as the hit detection stays at the normal standing position during the transition to prone/crouch anyway(Hence the sandbag "bug") |
Re: Lower class of players...... Sputty, I've been playing BF42 for years now, and only now have I found out why that happens. Wow. It's so simple... |
Re: Lower class of players...... I don't get the whole "issue" with bunny hoppers either. Like Sputty said, jumping up and down in FH completly negates the effectiveness of the weapon unless you are within 2-3 meters. People, if in real life I was within 2-3 meters of a man who is trying to kill me I would be jumping up and down, throwing Kung-fu Ninja kicks, spitting at the guy, and reciting OMG over and over again like it was a mantra... |
Re: Lower class of players...... FH can't and wont do anything to limit jumping. You'll just have to kill the guy who does it until he learns another lame strategy. |
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Re: Lower class of players...... If he's bunnyhopping to avoid MG fire then I think it's totally fine. IRL if I were to go across an open field covered by an MG I think I'd be bunnyhopping and sidestepping... |
Re: Lower class of players...... jumping only shows you down if you're running so I wouldn't recommend it irl. But anyway it's so retarded to see someone bunnyhopping, this aint no freakin CS or CoD. |
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but i agree with these bunnyhoppers. if theres any solution, take them down for all time. there was once a minimod from dime, who coded the runningspeed slower and added the tunnel view effect when being hit. but sadly the majority of the devs didnt like it, so it was never implementet. but trust me, there is hope, that the gameplay of infantry must and will be changed some time :) |
Re: Lower class of players...... Simple yet effective anti-bunny hopping weapon: Planes. They cant just hop away from them, if I see a bunnyhopper I dont bother firing at him, I strafe the bugger and clip him with the wings. If he wants to be airborne, then fine, be airborne! |
Re: Lower class of players...... The bunnyhoppers we have now just don't understand that they won't kill anything like that. There would be a problem if bunnyhopping would be an effective strategy. |
Re: Lower class of players...... Bunnyhopping is an effective strategy at times, the only problem is that it pisses off everyone but the bunnyhopper. It sucks to play a great map like Norwind, but all you see is people bouncing around all over the place. It really takes away the atmosphere that FH tries to achieve. |
Re: Lower class of players...... I think some mods added a feature that reduces condition if you run or jump. It's ok if you jump once or twice. But jumping all the time is a bit strange. I tried it a few times, but usually it was more easy for enemies to hit me like this, or so it seemed. |
Re: Lower class of players...... I don't understand why anybody would be bothered by somebody bunny hopping? There is no advantage, so what's the big deal. I hop around, or do the dolphin thing, not because it gives me an advantage, but only because I'm either bored (because my opponents are easy kills) or just because I'm in a good/playful mood :) Most times I'm just seeing what the highest obstacle is that I can jump over or smallest window on a map I can jump through but jumping and crouching. 98% of the time I don't do it, but I'm just baffled why anybody would even care? |
Re: Lower class of players...... I mean yep doing bunnyhop would only make you look like a sign saying "KILL ME I CANT SHOOT BACK" |
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Re: Lower class of players...... Well, you, as the bunnyhopper may think it's fun but for people like me who want to get a realistic feel out of the game dont. It's a big atmosphere breaker, seeing a German trooper with an MG42 jumping around and hitting the ground as soon as he sees an enemy is very frustrating. When I play I try to get the most out of it, I use tactics and use cover fire as well as set up ambushes. It can get very cinematic, so I cannot see why people would want to bunnyhop around like idiots. See? It's sort of the same thing. |
Re: Lower class of players...... bunnyhopping is not an advantage...I mean you got to be realy bad aiming if you can hit a normal running infantry, and not a bunnyhopper...its not like he jumps 5 meters in the air, more like 1/2 meter... |
Re: Lower class of players...... Gawd I hate the DoD stlye strafe-duck-shooters, dive-and-shoot and jump-around-the-corner-dive-and-shoot-players... |
Re: Lower class of players...... bunnyhopping is mostly performed by smg toters during reload. while the rifle guy trys to hit him, before reloading is finished. now i rarely miss with the rifle, and their hopping doesnt help them. usually! but im quite experienced at deflection shooting. so i can see how its frustrating, for the rifle guys. bunny hopping could be fixed, by disallow jumping while moving sideways and forward. (straff buttons) so you can run and jump, just not sideways back and forth while moving forward. you can jump sideways, but while stationary only!.... like reallife. which is how people actually jump, while running anyway. try jumping sideways, while running.. its impossible nearly, and cant be done repetitively, back and forth... IRL jumping forward is no problem though.. and would be little help avoiding bullets. its the "side to side" thing, thats what bunnyhopping actually is. and its intent is to make yourself, harder to hit. which works!!! unfortunately, because of the "side to side" unrealistic jumping. and unfortunately its become a play style for many... i cant think of one FPS that hasnt had the sideways jumping while moving forward THING!!! and will be hard to "not do" for many... once the issue is resolved and doesnt work anymore. in future games, i mean... DoD used a stamina sys. but still allowed the side to side jumping. you could only jump once or twice tho... which helped alot. but wasnt a perfect solution.. |
Re: Lower class of players...... well there was an exploit (I reported it and from what I was able to see never got fixed) that did away with the stamina deficiency. I have less problems with small movements from side to side as you could do that IRL as well. I do dislike moving while crouched or prone. Moving while crouced can be done even if slowly and needs training. Moving while prone AND pointing even in the vincinity of an area is near implossible. I think ironsights would help as the transition time will definetly force people to wait a sec before shooting. |
Re: Lower class of players...... If you are so l33t and not a newb, with your talent you should be able to kill them even when jumping. Doesn't bother me, they will die either way. Jumping just improves my aiming skill. PS why do people say "NUB" what the hell is a NUB? NEWBIE is what NEWB was originally derived from. Newbie implies you are "NEW" at something. Maybe you are the NEWB. |
Re: Lower class of players...... Nub is the general description of evil nowadays |
Re: Lower class of players...... Nub = one life form lower than N0ob |
Re: Lower class of players...... Whats the problem with bunny hopping? Its the best way to get from point A to point B without being killed... IMO, it really only helps against new or bad players. Its not like it even matters with the way rifles are setup, if you aim at the upper body you will still get a body shot because jumping doesnt get you that far off the ground. Whats the big deal? I find it no more difficult to kill a bunny hopper than a regular player. Why not complain about laggy players while your at it? They pose much more of an annoyance... |
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No game will ever come close to the real thing. Besides its not like I do it all the time. I have to crouch in FH to get my kills, I get no kills bunnyhopping so I don't know why its an issue. Easiest people to kill are bunny hoppers. |
Re: Lower class of players...... I'll have to admit when reloading i bunny hop all the time but its not that hard to hit someone... just use patience and wait for him to land. Another good counter is tossing an nade at him... while hes running from the nade i doubt hes jumping. |
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Last time I checked, I dont want to get shot at by some guy in a far away country with an AK-47. I dont want to join the army, that is like saying 'Hey Saving Private Ryan is cool, I'm going to join the army!' That's not going to happen. At least look at my age before you post something like that. That isnt even a valid reason to back up your arguement. Quote:
If you were in the army some years ago, then explain this. Could you possibly flail around like a dolphin like the bunnyhoppers in any game whilst carrying so much stuff? |
Re: Lower class of players...... What's so unrealistic about people jumping around? People COULD jump around, let's just assume that the opposing country made an idiot regiment and they were taught to be the biggest target, allowing better soldiers to survive. The soldiers in BF/FH aren't even carrying muclh, normally just the gun and a hemet. The point is the "atmosphere" shouldn't be broken unless you take the GAME too seriously. FH is realistic because it's fun and adds to gameplay strategy and tactics, not because it's trying to simulate war, people bunny hop because they think it helps, it doesn't. It's not realistic in the sense that most soldiers would never do that, but maybe if bunny hoppers joined a military they would jump around. Who knows? There's no way to restrict bunny hopping effectively and even less of a reason. |
Re: Lower class of players...... I _hate_ bunnyhoppers, it IS harder to hit them if they hop about. As they move closer with their smg, negating the rifles advantage, then they open fire, goodbye. Then there is the type of people that like the new way the BAR handles, they can run around doing whatever, as soon as they see some-one they can jump, hit z and be fully accurate to blast that person before they hit the ground. It looks like crap, its not realistic in any way, and crazycanuck please shut up. If we didnt want realism we would be playing DC or Vanilla. |
Re: Lower class of players...... Other than the BAR, which was probably just a lapse in dev judgement, bunny hopping makes even SMGs too inaccurate to work well. A rifle at close range won't have much of a disadvantage, and with 1-2 meters a running rifleman can get a hit while moving because the body fills the crosshair. Jumping with a weapon on the other hand will open the crosshair so much it won't even be effective at 1-2 meter range. Just pick them as they jump toward you. |
Re: Lower class of players...... Well no, the amount of lead some of these smg's or even mg34/42's spit out make them effective at close range, ive been killed many times by someone running around me jumping with a mg42. And also some dude took a m1 carbine hit in the chest while he was spraying me with a m34 from three meters away standing.. i died, he didnt >_> Jumping sucks, i wish it could be fixed, but i guess not.. :( |
Re: Lower class of players...... Sounds like it's your problem, not the game's |
Re: Lower class of players...... Bunny hopping is part of the game, like it or not. I may do it once in an entire night of playing or never in a week. Whether for fun or dancing around somebody trying not to get shot because I've run out of ammo, it's my choice. Killing somebody while bunny hopping is part luck, part skill. As your hopping you need to effectively control 5 keys, mouse movement and fire button. I've been playing bf'42 since the wake days, until BFV came out and now FH (BFV got boring). Before that I played RTCW since that game came out, and single player going back to the original Castle Wolfenstien 12 years ago. But I'm still not as good as some players at bunny hopping. But like I already said, it not as big of a deal in FH since accurracy is way off when u hop around, so the odd time when I do it, I do it just for fun. I just don't think it's an issue in FH. |
Re: Lower class of players...... Lets face it, having bunnyhopping in any game or mod that tries to attempt a realistic atmosphere sucks big time. It's not only stupid to look at, it drives people on the receiving end nuts. In fact, if people want to bunnyhop around all say why did they even bother downloading FH in the first place? It's a lot easier to bunnyhop in BF1942 or DC so go do it there. We're going around in circles here, and to be truthfully honest it's getting boring. |
Re: Lower class of players...... Bunny hoppers are just n00bs that dont know how to strafe well, leave them be. Let me kill them. |
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I respect your desire to try and immerse yourself in a realistic WWII type environment. But as far as I'm concerned, if you start playing online then you just have to deal with bunny hoppers. The same goes for smacktards, glitchers, repair pad spawn campers, plane campers, and the list goes on forever. If you choose to play online, then you have to learn to deal with the idiots that may or may not be in the server with you... |
Re: Lower class of players...... Hehe a nub is something totally different though :naughty: Bunnyhopping is behaviour of morons high on crack not normal players. Diving to the ground is a realistic action although insta-accuracy as a result is stupid. |
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Re: Lower class of players...... Bunny Hoppers do really annoy me, I left BF1942 so I could play some non-stupid, realistic, team working WW2 battles, and it is dissapointing to see some one bunny-hopping towards you with a BAR or MG34 killing you, when you have only a rifle and then it is hard to take them down. |
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Now without using your hands, jump up on the counter. Now do it again, three times in rapid succession. Now do it sideways. Good Luck :D Bunnyhopping is annoying, not because it makes them hard to hit (actually, somebody zig-zagging is harder to hit, because they can change direction at any time, unlike bunnyhoppers, who follow a fixed arc everytime they leave the ground) It's annoying for the same reason as jumping tank corpses, out-of-place static buildings, and back-flag jeep capping. It looks out of place and immersion suffers for it. My only experience with WW2 is the movies. I don't expect FH to be 100% realistic, (I wouldn't know if it was or not, I wasn't there) but Hollywood realistic is just fine with me. Bunnyhopping does not feature in any WW2 movie I've ever seen. |
Re: Lower class of players...... not but diving shooting with infinite ammo with slow motion is |
Re: Lower class of players...... Sure it was possible for them to jump around... but they did not because it would be stupid beyond belief. Not like the allies on omaha beach jumped around to avoid fire ... |
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Re: Lower class of players...... well, i'm sorry to see this posting has degenerated into a spite fest., that wasn't my intention-i simply wanted to know if there were any plans to change this behaviour. Coming from old school FPS games i admit to having the jump-button twitch, but i stop from doing it because i want a better, different atmosphere in this game. I got enough bunny hopping to last a life time playing CS/Quake/Unreal elite force etc... I feel the BF1942 should be treated differently. The really sad part about this was that the guys own teammates were asking him to stop as he looked ridiculus, and as i recall he had the 2nd or 3rd lowest score out of 26 players. Now having done my time as a grunt, i can guaruntee you the last thing you want to do is jump around and call attention to yourself on a battelfield -and jumping around aint gonna do sh*t against a modern MG-and i seriously doubt it would have been very effective in WW2. I don't have any problem killing these guys, actually i usually ignore them after tossing a nade and killing them ( of course thenm i'm told i'm hacking) but you got to admit it looks plain stupid to see someone jumping about willy-nilly when you bearing down on them with a tank. Fortunately most of the hoppers eem to be vanilla medpack whores and stay away from FH & XXWW2 mods, so i'm hoping that eventually after some newer FPS games come out they will migrate out totally and just leave the serious gamers in peace. Otherwise i'll just keep (hacking) nading the little bastards and get accused of cheating http://forums.filefront.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif |
Re: Lower class of players...... **** morons cant you see that Bunny Hopping is no problem! You're likely to kill em like stealing candy from a kid... If you cant hit a bunny hopper at close range with a rifle then go ******* practice im getting sick of all theese complainments and whines! I mean I use bunny hop myself when reloading in close combat and Im like wow why did I do that really... I got owned anyway... Serious stop complaining about such a small thing... Go complain about ur pocket money instead! EDITED FOR LANGUAGE |
Re: Lower class of players...... yeah, who in their right mind actually dares complain in a forum..? tsk tsk tsk. Why don't we just shut down the whole forum AND mod since it just might be that someone will complain and we don't want our 1337-kids to get upset. I was about to complain over a bug I found but now will just keep quiet... |
Re: Lower class of players...... I think that the Bar 1918 should take longer to be accurate when you hit the dirt - but that's about it. To the person who talked about their kitchen counter - although people still jump high in BF, remember that the view point is weirded-out, so it's not as high as you're describing it as. If you want to be immersed so much, join a clan or whatnot - no game will be perfect on a public server - unless that public server is filled with aliens. (Daily Victim, anyone?) |
Re: Lower class of players...... Bunnyhopping... another reason why arm and leg shots should count as a kill... |
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