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terminal-strike December 18th, 2004 06:41 PM

Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
There is been some pretty extensive discussion in the past about what country, or any country for that matter, should be done. There are quite a bunch in right now, and regardless of the amount of content they have they will probaly eventually have stuff done for them.

As it stand currently- Canada, Finland, Great Britain, Germany, Japan, Poland, United States, and the USSR are currently in FH. Italy and especially France are planned forces that are in development The question now is should another country be a priority, and if so what country/army.

The answer obviously lies in the hands of the devs ultimately, but as with many other things in the the forum, its interesting to see what other players thoughts are on the matter. :smokin:

Komrad_B December 18th, 2004 06:50 PM

Re: Well its that time again... what army next...or not?
 
We need the armies of Manchukuo :uhoh:.. Interestingly, as i propose this less than important country, I read something interesting about the soviet invasion of Manchuria. Indeed, if there is a Soviet vs. Japan (or Manchukuo, for the kick of it) map, well the servers won't be able to complain the japs are ramming planes in tanks because they DID that :

Quote:

The Air Force trained the air fight and the ground attack against tanks. When the Soviet invaded into Manchuria, the 2nd Air Army ordered the suicide-attack against the Soviet tanks to the Air Force.
But seriously... Some eastern european country like Romania or Hungary could be cool. And you forgot to mention Poland ;)

LIGHTNING [NL] December 18th, 2004 06:54 PM

Re: Well its that time again... what army next...or not?
 
I think FH has enough countries as it is. Fix the stuff you have and add more vehicles to the existing nations.

The Red Barron December 18th, 2004 06:55 PM

Re: Well its that time again... what army next...or not?
 
Actually only the Japanese Navy is ingame IIRC. Also, you forgot Poland.

terminal-strike December 18th, 2004 07:09 PM

Re: Well its that time again... what army next...or not?
 
I dont consider sub-armys or theaters specific forces of a nation to be a different army/nation/forces or whatever because they use the same voice menu and usually have significant eqipment cross over. Also, some sub-armies are considered the 'same' such as for example early war us in africa and late-war war in the pacific, or for example german para-troopers so its not fair for some to be considered seperate. In other words, creating sub-armies are part of fleshing out a existing force/nation. In this case, by 'force' I mean a nation not a sub army.

Anlushac11 December 18th, 2004 07:19 PM

Re: Well its that time again... what army next...or not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by terminal-strike
There is been some pretty extensive discussion in the past about what country, or any country for that matter, should be done. There are quite a bunch in right now, and regardless of the amount of content they have they will probaly eventually have stuff done for them.

As it stand currently- Canada, Finland, Great Britain, Germany, Japan, United States, and the USSR are currently in FH. Italy and especially France are on the way are confirmed to be in the works. The question now is should another country be a priority, and if so what country/army.

The answer obviously lies in the hands of the devs ultimately, but as with many other things in the the forum, its interesting to see what other players thoughts are on the matter. :smokin:

Well you just pissed the Poles off :lol:

For a new Army I think FH should do Australia.

Give them the following:

Beaufighter model
Lee-Enfield No.5 Jungle Carbine model
Owens SMG model
HMAS Canberra Heavy Cruiser model
CAC Whirraway model
CAC Boomarang model

P-40 skin
Spitfire skin
B-25 skin
Australian Matilda II skin
Australian M3 Grant skin

I consider Aussie forces fighting in North Africa, Italy, and Europe as part of the Commonwealth forces fighting under the Brit flag. However I think the Pacific theatre Aussies should get tehir own aircraft, uniforms, skins, etc.

I also want France, Italy, Poland, Finland, and Canada finished.

terminal-strike December 18th, 2004 07:27 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Yea thats the hazards of editing things, I intially actually had them (poland) first in the list but then I decided to do alpha order and things got messed up. There in there now though so its ok.

Aussies huh? Hmmm what battles did they fight exculsively at with the japanse that could be made into a map, or part of a battle where they had like a section they were involved in. I think there would have to be several to be worth it, otherwise I think there just to small. Im not saying they didnt, I just have just never looked into them in earnest to know either way.

Anlushac11 December 18th, 2004 07:55 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
First two that come to mind are the Kokoda trail and Bloody Buna.

FactionRecon December 18th, 2004 09:20 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
I believe that the team needs to focus on what's in the mod currently. It's starting to get to the "quantity and not quality" mentality, and I'm not sure I like that. They just need to focus on perfecting the forces and equipment they have now, in my opinion.

R4DG aka Run 4 Da Gun December 18th, 2004 10:00 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by terminal-strike
Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)

Or not.

Mr.MuFf December 18th, 2004 11:42 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by terminal-strike
Yea thats the hazards of editing things, I intially actually had them (poland) first in the list but then I decided to do alpha order and things got messed up. There in there now though so its ok.

Aussies huh? Hmmm what battles did they fight exculsively at with the japanse that could be made into a map, or part of a battle where they had like a section they were involved in. I think there would have to be several to be worth it, otherwise I think there just to small. Im not saying they didnt, I just have just never looked into them in earnest to know either way.

How about:

Southern Malaysia

Singapore

Papua New Guinea (by our selves for 2 years)

New Guinea (there was a U.S. divison there with 2 of ours)

Borneo (we did that completely by ourselves apart from a few U.S. Naval
ships for support)

3/4's of the Commonwealth forces were ANZAC's in Crete

The breakout in the battle of El Alamein was by ANZAC's

Tobruk (one of the greatest defensive battles ever fought and it was also against the Afrika Corps at their strongest time in that theatre)

Burma along with the pommy's


im sure theres alot more

NoCoolOnesLeft December 19th, 2004 01:47 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
I would like to see Australia in FH next, because it's mostly just a reskin job and most of the models that are needed are either in but not skinned, or in but not coded. Looks like they were in a lot of key battles, so that's why I picked them.

Plus, it'd be interesting to see what their voice commands sound like.

:D

Guybrush_ December 19th, 2004 09:28 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
I hope the incoming 1939-1940 french forces (before this nonsense armistice:mad: ) will be featured, as well as the polish, norwegian and british allies, in some maps representing the campaign of Norway, May 1940.
It's a part of the war I'm surprised FH didn't feature (so far), though the Kriegsmarine lost half of its ships.

And what about the free french forces ? I hope to see them when the Italians will be in, because they played key-roles in the Italian campaign, and they mainly used leased british and american equipment, so it's just a matter of new skins:) .
By the way, the french community is looking forward to play with "Counterattack", because it's inspired by de Gaulle's moves during the battle of France.

Australia would be appreciated too.

Tas December 19th, 2004 10:04 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
finish the french, italians, then we have enough!

I mean ffs, i want my wirbelwind!

[BC] Tex Arcana December 19th, 2004 11:41 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
A small push for Canada: The Road to Rome (Gothic Line, Adolf Hitler Line) was paved with Maple Leaves.

Ortona would make an interesting Map- No?

Repping the Anzacs, and Kiwis in North Africa would be good as well. -Though Monte Cassino had elements from both countries (if I'm not mistaken). Hell- Monte Cassino had forces from all-over: Ghurkas, Indians, Japanese-American etc.

Gobo12 December 19th, 2004 12:50 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
That's a wicked sig Tex Arcana, yay for Canada.

Krazy Kommando December 19th, 2004 06:27 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
go the ANZACs! if there is a country after italy to be put in (even in BF2 :) ) i think it should be the ANZACs. the aussies played a huge role in the pacific, north africa and italy. im not going to say they "only need skins", because skins take a while to do. but at least they dont need as many models as other countries might.

id also like to see the canadians and maybe the finish

FschD1Geoffthechef December 19th, 2004 06:32 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
I think you could add the hungarians or romanians you need more axis armies or add them to a map where there are already germans and have them as 1 of the claasses that would be nice , also redo atlantic or add the custom fh map fjord with german and uk navy with naval skins

Anlushac11 December 19th, 2004 07:26 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
If FH were to do one of the two Axis allies, I would expect it to be Romania mainly because BG42 already has done Hungary.

hslan.Faust December 20th, 2004 06:41 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
how about some yugoslavian tito partisans?

they could be considered as an army in the later stages of the war.

this would also make a good map for the armored train models which are shown on the FH homepage.

FryaDuck December 20th, 2004 11:11 AM

Re: Well its that time again... what army next...or not?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Anlushac11
Well you just pissed the Poles off :lol:

For a new Army I think FH should do Australia.

Give them the following:

Beaufighter model
Lee-Enfield No.5 Jungle Carbine model
Owens SMG model
HMAS Canberra Heavy Cruiser model
CAC Whirraway model
CAC Boomarang model

P-40 skin
Spitfire skin
B-25 skin
Australian Matilda II skin
Australian M3 Grant skin

I consider Aussie forces fighting in North Africa, Italy, and Europe as part of the Commonwealth forces fighting under the Brit flag. However I think the Pacific theatre Aussies should get tehir own aircraft, uniforms, skins, etc.

I also want France, Italy, Poland, Finland, and Canada finished.


Nup we never used the No5 Jungle Carbine..

http://users.bigpond.net.au/feckless/aust.html

is the good oil for land forces.

Buna
http://users.bigpond.net.au/feckless/buna.jpg

Wirraway=Harvard and it only shot down 1 Zero (doesn't say much for the Japanese pilot). Boomerang was a good aircraft but didn't see much action mostly P40s, Hudsons, Beaufighters, Liberators, Mitchells, Ansons....

But hey what would I know.

Dee-Jaż December 20th, 2004 11:41 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by The 13th Raptor
finish the french, italians, then we have enough!

:agreed

After Italy and France FH has quite enough countrys if you ask me.

terminal-strike December 20th, 2004 12:19 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Yea if they want to do all the more armies they would probably do well to get some more staff that would work exclusively on uniforms and voice menus and then the eqipment for those nations. Fleshing out a nations stuff is like a 'full-time' thing, so unless there would be like a seperate group working on 'romania' or whatever that time woudl come out the everybody else. I mean regardless of of even a model and skin, there's onyly so much that can be code, tested, and gotten on to maps per release. Of couse, other armies are invetable eventually but for now with sill so much yet to be done with france and italy its hard to make a case for it I think.

NoCoolOnesLeft December 20th, 2004 12:26 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
I hoped for an Italian update yesterday, guess it never came. Still, we have the Polish and the French which was an awesome suprise. I think we'll be waiting for 0.7 at least before we even get to see any Road to Rome type stuff.

Untill then we'll just have to put up with the excellent stuff Montoya made us. What a torture, huh?

:D

Meadow December 23rd, 2004 08:58 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
The Italians should be the last nation to make it into the BF1942 incarnation of FH. Once BF2 is fully understood and FH goes to it, maybe think about adding Commonwealth nations such as India (Vickers-Berthier machine gun) and Australia (Owen SMG).

Other possible nations would be Romania, Hungary, Norway, Denmark (four hours of fighting, 26 casualties, 15 of them due to friendly fire or air crashes! Woohoo! and I'm Danish myself so I am allowed to say that).

MkH^ December 23rd, 2004 09:14 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Just finish the Finns.

Gauntlet December 23rd, 2004 11:27 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Yeah, finish the Finns, French then do the Italians, IMO.

And, as someone suggested, an invasion of Norway-map could have been fun...

:)

NoCoolOnesLeft December 23rd, 2004 11:32 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
I think there was an invasion of Norway map in 0.5.

Lt.Ryan December 23rd, 2004 10:53 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
What map would that be? I don't remember a norway map in 0.5, unless your thinking of a snow map like valerisk.

AussiePepsi December 23rd, 2004 11:12 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Yeah put the Aussies in :) we played big parts in Africa,PNG plus other continets

GO AUSSIES!!!!!

AussieZaitsev December 23rd, 2004 11:18 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
it was Weserabung wasnt it?

Flippy Warbear December 24th, 2004 04:42 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Australians yelling "crikey!" when hit, would be just so amusing. :)

Beast of War December 24th, 2004 06:30 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
You guys are always focussed on dragging allied forced in FH.....but what about axis forces ?

Large parts of the German army in Russia weren't German at all.......same goes for Afrika. Italians and Hungarian forces were to be found there in large numbers.

AceS December 24th, 2004 07:31 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Ah.. next time we will get the Aussies in and the Italians. Finish will get their adequat weapons and maybe we will have time for some French bombers.

Yo.

NoCoolOnesLeft December 24th, 2004 08:16 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AussieZaitsev
it was Weserabung wasnt it?

Something like that. It was 0.5 so it's ages ago and I cant remember. It was a map with large battleships landing up against a fortified beach. There were wespes in it, if I recall correctly.

At least, I think it was a Norway map. Could be totaly confused with something else here.

Lt.Ryan December 24th, 2004 08:47 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Well as far as I know Weserubung I think was the Norway map but it was a custom one not official. You guys are probably talking about custom fh maps not official ones in 0.5.

Rantam December 24th, 2004 10:07 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Italy is the most important for me, but other Commonwealth nations are important too (Australia the 1st).

Some native soldiers in Asia & Africa maps (may be as a special infantry class for british army, for example).

And if there're in the future some maps in Denmark, Norway, etc. it would be nice to have these armies.

What about Red Army against Finland?

NoCoolOnesLeft December 24th, 2004 11:11 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lt.Ryan
Well as far as I know Weserubung I think was the Norway map but it was a custom one not official. You guys are probably talking about custom fh maps not official ones in 0.5.

You're right about that, now that I think of it. But I'm almost sure, well, very sure that there was a Norway map in 0.5. I only got to play it a few times, because it wasnt popular on the servers.

Infernal[NL_ish] December 24th, 2004 11:28 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Ok..contradictive post....

But why is everyone screaming for more countries?
It's enough anyways, what we currently have got that is.

Mr.MuFf December 25th, 2004 01:48 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
If you do include us Aussie's. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD GET AN AUSSIE TO DO THE SOUNDS!!!!!! An American or Canadian doing these accents would be absolute crap.

And also, be realistic we hardly ever say crikey.........it's other fucking hell, §§§§, bugger or something else............don't over do the slang or it'll get really annoying.

Montoya December 26th, 2004 10:48 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
streuth mate, relax and throw some snags on the barbie. ;)

USMA2010 December 26th, 2004 11:22 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
Who needs to be in:
Italy, Hungary, China

Who needs more attention:
United States @ Africa
USSR @ SW Europe

Done, Finito, etc...

[11PzG]matyast December 26th, 2004 11:26 AM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
I say the devs should not necessarily take up any new forces, since the game must port to BF2. They will need all the time to work on that, no need to overload the devs.

If they are not intending to port, then they should have more forces ofcourse.

Jeffro December 26th, 2004 02:19 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
I would really like to see the french, polish, and italian forces worked on. Monte Cassino here we come!

Pornska December 26th, 2004 05:09 PM

Re: Well its that time again: what country next..(or not?)
 
I would love to see the Dutch in the game,they could be in a cool 1940 map,where they germans invade in a ''Crete 1941'' Style..


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