Clear points cheat or not?
 

Using clear points...
Is that ok or not(look at mini-map)
http://minixp.spymac.net/clear.jpg

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

Errr... HOW is it a cheat? It decreases the TKs making it a lot better to play but doesn't help to kill enemies at all. Thus it's not a cheat.

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Perfectly okay, why would it be unfair?

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

I am kinda lost here...

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Well the smaller flag icon gives you a atvantage others don't have. It might decrease TK's but the A) all people should have this smaller icon B) IRL you don't have a minimpa showing troops movements, trowing in grenades or randomly spraying your bullets in the general direction of a flag is never a smart thing to do. When you kill a team mate in the proces it is due to your own stupidity.

So yes i would say that it is cheating.

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

If you look at the minimap you can notice that instead of a HUGE flag which would hide the friendly units that are at the flag you can see a TRANSPARENT circle which helps you to see if there are friendly units at the flag. Helps you not to shoot artillery to the flag when teammates are there or bomb your own guys, etc.

I think clearpoints should be added into the FH. Then everyone would have it, everyone would notice how needed it is.

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And?

Why make a bid deal about it....I don't think its such a big thing.

P.S. Its an uncappable base anyway...who would shoot at it Doenitz?

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Oh Noes, im teh hax0r!

Using arty is nearly impossible without clearpoints, without getting a shackload of tk's.

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I wouldn't use it in clangames, but in my opinion it's perfectly ok in publics.

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True, but IRL, your eyes have much better resolution than any computer monitor, and it's much easier to discern friendly from enemy infantry. Also IRL, you had things called "leaders", whose job was to know where all the friendly guys were.

Most TK's are not due to grenades or random bullets, but target misidentification and lack of communication, not to mention panicking as friendlies suddenly appear around corners at point-blank range :D.

All my TK's are aimed shots, I think only once or twice have I TK'd someone I didn't know was there.

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

Well Im using it myself...more to test it out
I think that you have a advantage to others who dont have it.
And yes FH may put this is the next patch so every1 can enjoy it.
If you wanna have it let me know
Is it ok 2 put a link in this topic so people can dl it??

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

This is the way it should have been for DiCE from the get go. Not only will it help end teamkilling, but frustration as well. Ever been on a map, see a grey flag, and think it will be yours soon? Oops, enemy, too bad about that...

I use them, and love them too, definatly not a cheat.

BTW: Whats with the purple crosshair?

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Lots of people use purpe crosshair (I do too). It's the best colour overall, you'll see it everywhere while yellow for example is very hard to see in desert envirements, blue has problems with water and sky, green with the ground etc. etc. It's not because we're gay....

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

cheater!

seriously: the difference in size in ordinary capturable bases is small. looking at screenshots, and comparing it to my (always fully zoomed out) map there is very little difference. only difference is that you can see allied movement there. as long as allied movement is showed there i find it perfectly OK, and nothing to make a fuzz about. it's a well-known package, just as the insignia-patch and the various soundpacks, that anyone can get their hands on.

remember that nobody has agreed that we should play the game bare; we play it with mods, custom maps, custom maps for custom mods, mods for mods, enhancing packages all over the place. unless someone with authority (or the vast majority of the community) thinks it's cheating, it's not. this is a harmless patch that reduces the likelyhood of the TKs we curse every time we get a chance! try to think about it, how many times have you read "those damn tk'ers" or something along those lines? it reduces TKs, thus improves gameplay, reduces kick, reduces revenging TK's and it does not directly impair the enemy or give you a score advantage

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

I think it's ok, but that's just my personal opinion. (I don't use it)

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

And red? What is wrong with red?

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

*raises hand* i use red, its a good replacement for purple

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

Should be incorporated in FH, forcing people to use it. It's like using custom sound packs, it isn't cheating at all. I don't use it myself because I don't want a gazillion different modification installations and backups.

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

Anal is too kind a word..

"The rod up that man's butt must have a rod up it's butt!" -Superintendant Chalmers, in regards to Principal Skinner


Listen, man.. its like..

No. Not a cheat. Hell, its a good idea. I hope the team decides to put it in the next patch. Consier the following:

A.) unless your running a real cheat, you don't see enemies on the minimap anyways, so less obscuration of a flag area dosen't mean jack
B.) Prevents TKs.
c.) Is completely irrelevant in the big picture of the game. no one using this is going to do any better or worse.
d.) Again, completely and utterly not a cheat. Who cares if everyone else dosen't have it? Its a free download, made by a fan, and anyone CAN have it. If they want. I dont use it because I'm lazy and dont care enough, but I see no reason that this is a cheat.

There are real cheats out there, and we start a thread on THIS?

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

Where? you start the damn thread, im lazy

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red is the best... its bright and doesnt look like the gay parade ran through FH

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

i would like clearpoint with FLAGS. make the flags transparent

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

There is nothing wrong with that! I myself do not have it (anyone has a link to download it?), but your arguments of

is completely flawed.

Hey, some people have hair-thin tank sights, while i get 20-pixel wide black lines that block the whole view cause my textures aren't 100% (cause a 3yo game now has ridiculously high requirements). So those people have an advantage i don't. I that a cheat?

Clans communicate with TS, while general pubbers have to rely on teamchat. So we have advantage over them that they don't have. I that cheating?

Some people can fly a plane, see an infantry on the ground, dive, straffe it, then pull up without dieing, while others crash into the ground due to 10FPS and lagging out. So those that don't have an advantage over those that do. Is that cheating?

Some use a joystick which gives continous pull/dive/bank in tight manuevers while others don't have it. Is that cheating?

So how is this any different? It does not give you "unfair" power. It does not help you kill the enemy better. It simply helps your team to avoid TKs cause of ridiculous design by Dice. How is that cheating?

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

It would be best if tank optics could be custom set and did not depend on the overall texture quality settings. This way everybody could have sharp tank optics unless he or she decides otherwise. *does SDK dance* It isn't a real "cheat" but it is unfair, i would call this game(engine) limitations.

I would say yes, since you can respond way faster and better organize conbined assaults. A plan playing without TS on a pub server already has a big atvantage to begin with. If the server has TS support then it would be more acceptable though.

Same as the first, i would call this game(engine) limitations.
Well sort off. It does gives you powers others don't have, thus it gives you a large atvantage. But then people who don't have a joystick could always choose not to fly (where people without headset coudn't chose not to play at all since they would have to voice chat when gaming :P ).
It doesn't let you kill the enemy better but it is unrealistic (the whole minimap). I would either like

A) to see nametags go but leave the minimap, using almost transparant flags.
B) Leave the nametags and scrap all units of the minimap, the map would only show your own position on the map.

I would prefer A over B though.

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

Yeah Fh should incorporate this but with better looking points like flags

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I don't personally use it but at wolf we don't consider it a cheat and it can't be monitored anyway so its moot point;)

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Why dont we get a BFE/Liga guy to give their official opinion on it. That seems to be a somewhat standardized and nonpartisan body of regulation.

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Some servers take screenshots :)

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...it simply proves that you are taking necessary precautions to avoid TK's. it's a good thing, it helps those poor friendlies that might be in the way and it keeps people at a cool level. i *hate* people who start revenging accidental tks. :)

(one guy i accidentally tk'd kept tk'ing me an entire round, and kept shouting crap at me [tk, then laughing in the public chat, name calling, etc] . when i had had enough i got help from a few friends and we retaliated fairly. a single deliberate TK from each one of us, think we were four or something like that, no message, and then left (first tk, first person left server, 2nd tk, 2nd person left server, and so on). we then went back to a fair server.

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

It is a .exe like some cheat. I think that's a cheat, I don't customize my game just like in CS: "omg i need scripts i need cheats new configs stats omg"

No offence..

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

Thats true but thats to catch cheaters, if you set it to take screen shots of every player that joins...then go into the server, check out the images, go into the game server, warn them, double check there not using it any more, if not kick them etc...you see where im going? :) It would be a nightmare to enforce. And to be brutally honest, admins don't get paid, theres only so much there gonna do before it becomes totally unfun for them and they hand in there BFRM keys;).

Its not a cheat, it doesn't help you rack up kills or capture more flags, it would be a nightmare to administer so give up now.:)

BTW, this discussion has been happening for 2 years starting on BF1942.com and they came to the same conclusion after huge threads....its not a cheat;)

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

:lol: you can't determine wether or not it is a cheat based on what filetype it is! several mods use .exe (typically a self-extracting rar or zip-file), including the realism-patch. you know, some programs are .exe's too ;)

and what is supposed to mean? i know it's n00btalk*, but it seems as though it is supposed to mean something.

it is not a cheat, it is not an unfair patch, it is not helping you improve your stat (it lets your unsuspecting teammates not have to go through spawn-wave hell), it is simply a gameplay improving patch that should be PROMOTED rather than discussed like this! can't the devs please just say "yes, we are including this system (not the specific patch) in 0.86, until then we have too much to do, but we don't consider this a cheat"?!


*) (i'm not saying you are a noob, i can see that you are harassing them :) )

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

No.

Clearpoints is about the same thing as using a joystick. Actually, I would say a joystick even gives more of an advantage, because it helps you to kill the enemy. All that this does is prevent tks.

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

The point is that every1 knows were to get a joystick
and that they know it exist.
Does any1 know this(clear points) exist and where/how 2 get it??

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

Here you go.I had to zip it,no exe.attachments here.

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

Not if you suck. If you switch from Mouse to Joystick, you're going to suck for a bit. I use a joystick and I'm still not quite as good as I was with a mouse, but I win a lot more air battles.

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

In BFE it is highly encouraged to get clearpoints. It is not necessary to get it to play... Unless you are a pilot or artilleryman when it is almost required.

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

It alters the game to your favor, therefore it's defenitely a cheat. I wouldn't mind if it were included in the next patch of FH though (maybe with mostly transparent flags instead http://www.gamingforums.com/images/s...rcastic%29.gif).

Cheers,
Mick

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

I guess you never played on DeadMeat servers then. Their admins go through screenshots and ban people that were caught cheating. In fact, their admins even go through chat logs (by the end of the day) and ban smacktards talking trash... How is that for active admining :naughty:


No, it's not an exe file that is run with the game. It's just a file replacement that changes your flag icon from huge untransparent one to one that is transparent.


It is no more a cheat then using custom crosshairs; and i know a lot of you use MC custom crosshairs

It is no more a cheat then using the FH Sound Pack; having the FH sound pack might give you a better advantage since you could destinguish sounds more easily, etc... :rolleyes:


Sorry, you worded it wrong. It should be:
"Can everyone get a joystick?" "No, some people can't afford it, and some don't know it works with BF, but that doesn't stop people from using JS in BF"

Same here

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

agreed.

It does alter the game in your favor: it helps people who don't want to waste time indentifying a target but just want to shoot and kill right away. It does help you gaining more flags since no more lazy people will shoot/bomb the hell out of a certain point without checking therefor making it easier for your team to gain/hold control of a flag thefor making it easier for your team to win.

If all teams would have it (having it in FH) woud make this whole thing acceptable though since i agree that you can't see as sharp and far away as IRL.

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

you cannot integrate a *cheat* into a game because then it's a fair cheat. result is then that this fix will never be available. on the contrary, it should be considered "not a cheat, but a very needed and wanted patch". if that is the conclusion of this thread, then i'm sure the devs will find time to fix it!

and you're not a lazy crazy gunner because you install it; you just proved that you care for your team, and care for the ordinary written and unwritten rules: do what you can to improve gameplay and reduce TKs.

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

Cheat or not?

Well - you have an advantage because less teamkills on your side help winning the map, don't they?

If everyone would have... it's a feature and no cheat isn't it?

Anyway - easy conclusion for me:
A nice feature that might be integrated. But as long not everyone has it and you alter the game by using it for your teams' advantage that makes it unfair behaviour because that fits definition of cheating 99,9% ;)

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

lol.. I can be without TKing, just press Enter and you can see trough flags, don't press M. Easy.. If you HAVE to see if someone is under the flag.

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

Enter won't help you with the minimap ;)

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Thats exaclty what i'm trying to tell this people al the time :p , maybe they will listen to a dev though...

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

It does , it brings spawn menu with map, and in that map you can see through flags.

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this is that "one ouf of a thousand".

the spawn-interface side of this just proves that it is a missing feature, a bug (they didn't implement it, even though they started), and this patch fixes it. it should be implemented in the next major release, advertized on the front-pages and try to make as many people as possible aware of this fix to remove it potential unfair use, and to reduce tk's.

make people aware of it, instead of just saying that it alters the game in your favor; it alters the game in everyones favor!

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

Supposedly there is a poll going, if it is going to be implemented in one of the next versions (I guess already in the next one).

Cheers,
Mick

Re: Clear points cheat or not?
 

I want to seek the golden grail too. :rolleyes:

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Spawnmenu != Minimap

Minimap I can see in game without hitting a button twice (once to show and once to hide). That's what I was talking about...