Will HL2 Kill Fh?
 

Just looking at the FH.64b thread and I was wondering what the community thinks about this and the devs too. Doom 3 was ment to be a huge release but IMO has not broken any boundaries and certainly hasn't stopped me from playing FH. With HL2 apparently being released in September *cough* do you think it will a massive blow to the amount of players that play FH or even kill the mod completely?
Im aspecially interested in what the Devs think;

-Is it at the back of there minds?
-Do they think all the work there doing some 14hr a days is goin to waste?
-Will it be another Doom 3?
-Will the devs even get to play? do they want too?

Im sure everyone here will be playing HL2 when it comes out, if it has anywhere near the success of the first its going to have a huge blow to every game.

Before BFV came out I used to play EOD and there was a lot of talk about wether BFV would kill the mod, there was a huge blow to EOD community and it has never fully recoverd. I know its a different genre of game and cant be compared to BF1942 in that way ...but its coming...

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I believe that FH and BF will live on because its a completely different gameplay experiece. HL2 is more of a SP game than anything els, now BF2 is a different story, if anything is going to kill BF it will be BF2. I think that HL2 will probably take over the mod scene though, after all you have so many mod makers from HL that will jump all over the source engine, after all valve has created HL2 to be extremely easy to mod, similar to Farcry but with more support.

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2 complety different games, dont worry, FH will survive

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No, it wont. It might put a dip in online player counts for a bit, but it wont kill FH.

Frankly, every new video they release looks less and less impressive. Especially CS:Source, which is exactly the same as CounterStrike for HL1 but with a few barrels and new models and textures. They barely used the new engine at all.

HL2 will probably be a great game and all, but FH will run on a lot of machines that HL wont run on, which means it will be played well into the future. Its about the only really good Bf1942 mod left with a few exceptions.

DC is dead.
EoD is dead.
Xww2 is dead.

SH is still going and active
FH is still going and active

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the people who play Fh are mainly WW2 fans,....so, you said it, it`s a different genre of game, ......there is no preoccupation about it.

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Offcourse not. Both Doom3 and HL2 are different types of games, and singleplayer. Not really seeing where this is heading though. Pretty much everything can draw attention away, games, money, love? I would only see Red Orchestra drawing away people. I know I'm checking out the mod, they released the new version yesterday,

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The 1.0 release of BG42 is also coming next friday and I think it will last quite a while, since .95 (or whatever their last BF1942 release was) is still holding some players.

So, no way HL2 will kill FH, if even decrease its player numbers. From what I've seen and heard from HL2, it doesn't look to me a realism based World War 2 game with huge outdoor spaces and ability to freely control everything from battleships to airplanes.

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dumb poll imo - even spam if you ask me

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no HL2 is a Scien Fiction FPS game FH is a Relistic WWII Fps game ...

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Ok maybe the poll could have been better with more options but if you've actually looked at the poll results 1 person has allready voted "yes" HL2 will kill FH. I think polls are good forms of feedback to the devs, so please be a little more constructive in your replies or if you think this thread is spam then dont bother posting your opinions at all.

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I have always hated HL games and the hl2 beta release is crap but of course its not done and very buggy. Im not a fan of the space aliens vs human junk, stupid fake weapons force fields and all that garbage

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Correct but there are some WWII mods in development with (extreme) realism like this one http://www.resistanceandliberation.com/about/ but IMO it wont't draw that much players away because of the system requirements and so far as I know there aren't any vehicles in or maybe jeeps and such but definatly not as good as in BF 2. (and hopefully FH 2 !)
For the while we have exciting times to go with he new patch(I just looked again and again to all the new maps and toys we get very soon to play with ist becomimg almost amzing what we get!!!!) and maybe a little BG42 for the time being.....

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This is like asking "Will people stop asking about a release date"......the answer is ofcourse not...

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Half-life 1 had the best singleplayer I've even seen in a game and it certainly ranks #1 qua mods. If Valve can repeat with HL2 with what they did for HL1 it'll certainly be a huge success. I'm certainly going to buy HL2 the day it gets in the store, but it won't kill FH. It's not the same type of gameplay. FH features vehicles in huges maps, maps of which the size even HL2 can't compare.

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No
No
Yes, of course, I will buy and play HL2, but not a lot, moders at work :D

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The better question is whether DoD 2 will draw players away or not. It depends whether they do vehicular combat i think. RO 3.0 for UT2k4 is out with tanks and i dont see its fan base suddenly shooting up though..

Ultimately FH has sooo much more content than any of them, and that will continue to draw and retain players. :)

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Nothing new to say... HL2 will not kill FH. A future release of DoD or other WWII mod with the HL2 engine will not kill FH, I'm sure.

There're many 3D shooter games with fantastic multiplayer features, based in WWII (Call of duty or Enemy territory) or not. But FH & BF1942 still at the top of the list of most played online games.

So, don't be nervous. I'm sure FH devs are gonna surprise us with future versions of their great mod. Long live FH!! ;)

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Maybe STALKER would be better suited to a WW2 mod? It has pretty much a non-stop world and vehicles...

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that one is likely to be out *after* bf2 at its current development

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I would permanently ban the person who started this poll. Simply because it is a gross act of stupidity.

Much better to look at the results ..............and state.

Aragoth you're an idiot.

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Summary: will apples kill oranges?

but FryaDuck, that was uncalled for.

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???

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Of course apples can kill oranges. That's because oranges are already dead so...
WINNER: Apples :nodding:

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I think this is a very good question. First of all were comparign Day of Defeat to FH not HL-2 to Fh. Im an avid player of both these mods. Right now the DoD community is arguing over if adding vehices in later version will kill the game. I with some others think we have FH to play if we want to play a vehicular WW2 realism mod. Others want DoD to become more like BF with dirveable vehicles. Neither 2 mods are going to kill each other off. Both game will/are going to be great and will continue to have great mods.

As for the content of Half-Life, If your a fan of sci-fi I can almost guarentee youd like HL. If you dont, like DirtyRags you may hate it which is fine. HL has also had a ton of great mods, CS,Dod,TFC,DMC(Quake mod),and Firearms. If anyone can think back that far when these mods came out did they kill other competing games multiplayer communities?

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I love you :moon:

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It was a piece of crap since it was a stolen beta. :rolleyes:

I am less worried about HL2 and more worried about the Battlefield: Vietnam World War 2 mod. If this mod does not switch over to Battlefield 2 it is dead.

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You see, where can you get the gameplay FH has to offer? hundreds of vehicles to be used being only one point.

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No. It can't, it won't kill FH.
Btw, I don't even play scifi-games like HL. They're kinda ugly (sorry, fellows!)

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Nothing is going to "kill" FH unless there is a better platform released and some very talented guys offer a WWII mod with air/sea and land vehicles but more features and graphical eyecandy......or the FH dev team falls apart and quits......

I don't think a better platform is going to be there for at least 2 years, i don't know any better platform then bf1942/bfv/bf2 when it comes to first person vehicle combat mixed with first person shooter game, all in one game.

HL2 has some player controlable vehicles, but not like bf1942 does. No huge battleships and carriers there......it maybe would look better but not offer the same features as bf1942/bfv/bf2 can.

Maybe only operation flashpoint 2 can threaten bf1942/bfv/bf2 as a platform for WWII games, but as far as i know they don't have ships neither. Soldner seems to have been dissapointing, and other similar games are not of the same graphical quality.

But it is a mistake to think the FH devs are alone in excellence, those that have visited BG42's website and have seen the new models and skins will be convinced that also is a quality mod, the days of ugly models and skins id over for them aswell. And on top of that, they have more types of land vehicles, Jagdtigers, Elephants, Hetzers, skirted versions of all kinds of Panzers and so on and so on they have, and for quitte some time and they are steadily improved. Their maps are more open and bigger, they do not lag and are better for vehicle combat ( but because they are very open not as attractive to bunnyhoppers ) Their damage system is FH + 1 hit....not so arcade at all. But they lack online players. Imagine guys like these would go over to another future game platform ( well they do within DICE products now, they support RTR and BFV ) and they might actually draw players from FH. Not happening yet, but they are a much greater "threat" then HL2 or another game. Enough that i am a BG42 fan also......and i am a realism freak.

Despite all that HL2 is likely going to cost FH servers if maybe temporarely, just because it is new and many players want to play it. Those who have enjoyed HL1 will buy/get HL2 without question.......it is not yet another fast-paced fragger/hopping game, it is a quality game.

I will without doubt buy HL2, i have enjoyed HL1 very much, even for years including CS and DoD. HL1 seems to have sold a staggering 8 million copies, and was rewarded with 50 game industry awards.....that is quitte a game, and now they have improved it with technoligy of 5 years later.......it's release will be felt....

But that will not make me forget about FH......i think no FH fan will be away very long because of other games......if he does, he was not a FH fan :lol:

Panzers keeps me busy now, and Wartime command ( was battlefield command ) may do more so, since it will be more realistric and with zoom detail up to FH size vehcicles and men. Only, these are RTS games, not FPS.

But with a much improved FH i will be right back, HL2 or no HL2, or other games......untill somebody can do better then the FH team ( a bit ungreatfull, but it is the truth and applies to almost all players anyway ;) ) It must be a compliment to them up untill now no game ( besides BG42) could......

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Now Wartime Command is an interesting game no? :naughty:
Perhaps i should expand on the 'content' idea in that you could play this mod for a day, and *still* not see all this mod has to offer. You could manning the guns of the yammato one map, and zipping along on a russkie skidoo thing the next. I dont see any other game offering that kinda variety - do you!?

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No, but then again in RTS.....

1) You can attack with a realistic group of heavy armour, like 9 Königtiger with a number of Wespe giving artillery support, and several groups of Panthers or Tigers in their flanks and waves of infantry following........combat on a scale unheard of in FH where you only get 1 of such vehicles, 2 in extreme rare cases.

2) Artillery, infantry support tanks and mobile assault guns do terrible damage upon infantry......in explosions with debris colums that reach 30 meters high and kill whole companies of infanty......again, realism unheard of in FH......in FH infantry players are deliberatly not as vulnerable as they should be to fighting vehicles.

3) Unlike (online) human players your army listens to your commands, ( :lol: ) and do not run off individually to chase flags and get killed. They won't be obsessed with personal highscore....

4) There are no infantry "rambo" units........most infantry gets killed by the dozens ......like it was for real. In Blitzkrieg they are not even part of your core army.

5) Infantry with anti tank weapons is realistic in RTS games. Their weapons are just as lethal to tanks as in FH, but they rarely get a chance to fire them because they are not in range......but the tank with it's main gun and mg's is in range, at a safe distance........unheard of in FH.

6) I never saw bunnyhoppers in RTS games :lol:

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This is what i like about Panzers and RTS games in general what FH does not have :

http://img6.exs.cx/img6/5507/kv.jpg

When you fire HE tank/assault gun grenades in Panzers ( also Blitzkrieg ) it has effect against a group of infantry.....unlike in FH where maybe one player will be killed if you hit him at his feet. ( rediculous )

http://img6.exs.cx/img6/2708/artillery.jpg

Artillery fire is even more powerfull against infantry.

http://img6.exs.cx/img6/1292/tiger9.jpg

Tigers and Königtigers came in abteilungen consisting of 9 to 14 of them......not as a single tank like in FH.......a bit trickier to outflank a group of them, isn't it ?......

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Close up it is even better......i am very dissapointed Fh is not this realistic when it comes to infantry vulnerability to vehicle weapons....

http://img17.exs.cx/img17/2241/Boom.jpg

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BOW... hate to say this but your pics are not totally realistic... few tank commanders would go that close together normally ;).

I 'm not a fan of WWII RTSs in general. With the exception of Close Combat the tank range is totally unrealistic - tank guns which have an optimal range of well over a klick are relegated to having a range of a couple of hundred metres. Gun damage and penetrations are usually messed up as well - meaning that peashooters can still puncture heavy sloped armour. Or you get a ridiculous HP system [granted some tanks survived a helluva lot of punishment but it was often black and white, esp later on in the war] meaning that tank charges suitable only for Soviet propaganda movies become the norm rather than exception. LOS is usually messed up [Blitzkrieg and the circular vision of tanks]. Balance is sometimes messed up [Steel Panzer's fetish with airpower (ok not an RTS but still) and how a KT surrounded with 20mm flaks can still be taken out by a lone thunderbolt]. Morale in many a game is also screwed... with the notable exception of Close Combat.


That said there are a few games that are worth the bother... Close Combat series, Combat Mission. But the new ones I've seen?

They look as accurate as Rome Total War...

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If FH had that kind of power with HE shells, it would be ridiculous. Turret turning speed would need to be turned WAY down, and third person view would need to be disabled in order to balance that kind of rape.

Spamming the bases would be a common thing. It wouldn't be realistic. Some tank would sit there and shoot endlessly into your base and that would be the game.

You can claim you think realism is the best in 100% doses, but it will NOT translate well to a FPS. RTS is a different story, because a player is controlling multiple units and infantry as well as other units are expendable without having to wait to respawn.

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I know 100 % realism would not be fun to play......

But as FH is now vehicles are very weak vs infantry, and infantry is rediculously resistant to high explosives
and heavy machinegun fire for material made out of soft flesh, blood and bone......

When infantry starts too see tanks as their natural prey, something went terribly wrong......

Maybe some people are confused over the role infantry played killing tanks......infantry was send
in to finish off an already taken out tank by other long range weapons like field guns or tank destroyers,
with handgrenades or spraying bullets in the inside the wreck of that tank. 98 % of all infantry in WWII didn't
even have anti tank weapons.......that is what field guns, tanks, tank destroyers, artillery, mines and aircraft
did. Yet in FH almost every soldier in a map with tanks somehow carries an anti tank weapon.....

When infantry did directly attack tanks with their short range anti tank weapons it was when tanks themselves
came that close to enemy infantry in a prepared defensive line.......and they used these weapons as last ditch
defence when other weapons failed to stop the tanks before they got so close......not to hunt tanks in
the open like is done on a massive scale in FH.

But not the situation with the far too wide available infantry anti tank weapons is what is wrong - although for
realism these should be very limited available kits - but the destruction power of tanks when infantry players
decide to charge a tank in the open......

One HE grenade would tear their bodies to hundreds of pieces of flesh flying around.......but in FH ? In FH
it is like a slapstick movie......some clown just dances around the impacts of the tanks grenades, asif it is
celebration firecrackers, and then is under the reach of the tanks weapons in no time, wich can do nothing but
helplessly wave it's turret around and try to get away...... :uhm:

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Another thing is that in those RTS, nobody cares if the infantry are having fun. :D

If you took that RTS stuff and put in FH:eek: , everybody would camp for vehicles, and there would be NO infantry combat, nobody would want to play infantry on maps with tanks.

IRL, nobody really wanted to play infantry either, but this is a game, and we have a choice not to do something we don't find entertaining, without the fear of court-martial or firing squad.

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That is true.....

But there can be made adjustments to find an acceptable way for both vehicles and infantry, that is
slightly more realistic.

Then again anti tank field guns, wich was the real main weapon against tanks have yet to be fully
developed in FH. Field guns outnumbered tanks many times, so there is really no reason to camp for
vehicles and be able to kill tanks.

Infantry carried anti tank weapons were good for local defence, but not used to hunt tanks. Btw the devs
did try to restrict that unrealistic behaviour by altering the crosshair closing speed, wich despite an exploit
works fairly well.

All in all i think more powerfull tank weapons, like a heavier blast explosion main gun and all mg positions
tanks really had that are more efficient to kill infantry ( bunnyhoppers) in the open is much less irritating and
acceptable for infantry players then a crosshair that takes seconds to close in emergency shots.....afterall
in real life you already prepared the weapon beforehand, ( you could hear tanks minutes before they were actually
there ) and after aiming it was just a matter of pressing the trigger. No multiple seconds of crosshair aiming time
( most didnt even have any means of aiming ) before you
were able to shoot.

In persuit of balance devs sometimes make odd choices. I think they would better be lead by how things
worked in real life. A more deadly damage dealing tank evens easy/quick to use
infantry carried anti tank wepoans out too......and that would be more realistic.

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it might do some damage, but the core players, those that truly live, breathe, eat, and crap WW2, are gonna stay. so as far as i concerned, the less noobs the better. but, fh will survive, especially with BF2 coming up...