Bocage

[Beast of War]

Originally Posted by B.F. Pierce

I mean how often would you see an he111 of ju88 flying ground level during combat? They don't have the speed or manueverabiliyt of a dive bomber you know

$%^&*# !!!!

That is because these FH mappers force us ground level with their #$%@^& fog !!!!!

You can't see anything if you fly higher then treetop height.......and that is right where tanks are going to pluck you out of the air. I have no problems killing aircraft with tank cannons if they fly low....with a single shot. ( ask MKH^ )

In normal maps tanks would't be able to because their gun cant be raised high enough to shoot at you.

Fog isn't really bad for maps, but it is when you are going to decide to add aircraft in your map. There are always people who seem to know better, but fog and aircraft is no good. It is not for nothing in the real war, aircraft did not fly in such weather conditions......at all !!

[FF|cihset]

Originally Posted by Beast of War

$%^&*# !!!!
Fog isn't really bad for maps, but it is when you are going to decide to add aircraft in your map. There are always people who seem to know better, but fog and aircraft is no good. It is not for nothing in the real war, aircraft did not fly in such weather conditions......at all !!

Unless your name was Heinrich Rudel.....

[PanzerAce]

Originally Posted by B.F. Pierce

<cut> I mean how often would you see an he111 of ju88 flying ground level during combat? They don't have the speed or manueverabiliyt of a dive bomber you know

AFAIK, Ju88s WERE dive bombers, atleast they had dive breaks....

[Beast of War]

Originally Posted by FF|cihset

Unless your name was Heinrich Rudel.....

Was he the real superman with X ray eyes, or did he teleport back from the future with all weather aircraft radar ?

Fog has gradations you know, he may have flown in light haze to cover him doing some important mission he didn't want to be jumped by allied fighters....but no one flew in dense fog......not even that guy. If he did, it is propaganda.

The fog in prohorovka and Orel is downright dense fog, in wich no aircraft would ever take off, war or not.

[[11PzG]matyast]

The Ju88 were very manouverable....I heard stories from pilots how they flew those planes at tree level...and how easy it was to handle a Ju88, despite of its size....

P.S. Beast, some pilots did have to fly in those conditions, but that was usually because of a miscalculation or a sudden change of weather. I read that in case of bad weather, the pilots usually tried to land at the nearest airfield possible, if they were on a mission...

P.P.S. Rudel was no super man, he was just a very good pilot, who knew the capabilities of his machine....

[FF|cihset]

He was also quite insane, which was my point with flying in the fog

[Beast of War]

Capabilities of the machine are useless when you can't see anything.....

It is obvious you are all too young to drive a car or motorcycle.....or you would know what you are talking about.....have you got the guts to drive 200 km/h when you can't see 20 m in front of you ? How can you ever fly a plane then, that goes many times faster without radar and radio beacons ??? Even today fog is VERY dangerous and jams airport incoming traffic, as several non class 3 runways wil have to be closed down. Since they did not have class 3 runways in WWII, and no instruments to land in fog......

I drive 140 km/u in dense fog sometimes, with a train and it is very disturbing. You can't see signs coming up untill they flash by and then you haven't had time to see them clear. Since these 700 ton things have a stopping distance of over 1,5 km with that speed, the automatic train influence system is the only thing that can reduce the effects of my mistakes. You would probably shit your pants being in that locomotive at that speed seeying nothing......all these passengers seem to think nothing can happen but they are very wrong, the Dutch railtack system is the busiest in the world, i can often see the tail of another train in clear weather.......

[FF|cihset]

Hehe, Aight, I write it in plain text then.


When I responded to your original post about Fog with rudel as an example, I meant that only Rudel would be stupid enough to fly in fog since he was by all accounts a maniac. Of course no one flies in heavy fog since you can't see what you're aiming for, where you're going and you won't be able to land.

I admit I wasn't clear of my intentions with my post, but I like when my posts can be interpreted in several ways, just like stupid paintings.

[[11PzG]matyast]

I do not doubt that it is dangerous business flying in the fog...but as you know, fog usually appears close to the ground and not 500m above it....and with instruments, it is not that hard to fly above th fog level and still fly on route.

And as I said, sometimes they were forced to fly in bad wheather, if the wheather changes suddenly...so I do not see why a pilot flying in bad wheather is insane in your opinion Cihset. Usually the pilots had two choices if the weather changed suddenly. 1. They crashland and most probably die. 2. they fly on to get out of the bad weather and have a greater chance of survival.

[FF|cihset]

Originally Posted by [11PzG]matyast

And as I said, sometimes they were forced to fly in bad wheather, if the wheather changes suddenly...so I do not see why a pilot flying in bad wheather is insane in your opinion Cihset. Usually the pilots had two choices if the weather changed suddenly. 1. They crashland and most probably die. 2. they fly on to get out of the bad weather and have a greater chance of survival.

Ah, my bad. I meant engaging in combat, when I said flying in fog.
Of course bad weather jumps up and bite you in the arse now and then when you fly around looking for bad guys. But there are few pilots who deliberately take off in bad weather.