now i know why i hated Rambo
 

Hello FH community!

i'm a relatively new player in the BF1942 scene - been playing 2 months. And in that time i've gone from the initial "wow" experience and fun of learning game to just sick of the experiences i suffer through each night. BF1942 attracted me with the lure of teamwork and strategy and yes, im unashamed to say, immersion into the atmosphere of ww2 battles. sadly, i experience very little of these.

So i guess im just wondering if the veterans of your community might help me find a MOD that will fit my style. Someone mentioned Forgotten Hope in addition to some others so i'm here to see if this will save me from using my game discs as beer coasters. if this isnt the place for me could someone be generous with their opinions and possibly save me the download time and hardisk space?

Each night and each game just degenerates into Halo type Rambo battles with 10 tanks shooting at 10 enemy tanks or planes carpet bombing spawn points or my teammates shooting each other to steal the vehicles. i'm not looking for extreme realism but some blend of realism/game-balance to make teamwork not only possible but successful. Just seems to me that the game encourages rogue missions by reckless players...i.e. grabbing a tank and trouncing through maps....rambo style is just too easy and its rewarded with success which makes me bored fast. i wish medics and engineers were necessary but nobody cares when you and the tank just going to respawn in a few secs anyways. i just dont feel any sense of accomplishment or progression while playing. vehicles are cool but i just wish they had to be used with more care and sparingly...and with more need from ground support to make offensives successful. ok rant done sorry lol.

cheers! and thanks in advance.

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Well if you are truly into WW2 history and 100% accuracy on all accounts, I'd give XWW2 mod a try. If you appreciate gameplay and teamwork a bit and want to see a LOT of really great models and coding inovations along with some great maps, this is the place to be. If you aren't hardcore about historical values but like the more serious WW2 attitude, try out Battlegroup42 / Merciless.

Forgotten Hope's main differences to vanilla BF1942 are as follows:

Standard infantry get a rifle. Rifles kill in one hit (unless you hit an extremity). Machineguns are uber deadly.
Tanks require skill and strategy to destroy and are destroyed as easily as any other unit if you know how (no more charging into a base with one)
All armor has as close to realistic armor and armor-penetration values as possible. The King Tiger tank is a god of the battlefield, while the paperskinned Sherman takes 1 shell to destroy. They aren't without their usefulness though.

Planes are a little bugged in .6, but they WILL be a lot more difficult to fly. You get (usually, depnds on the plane) 1 bomb per reload. No more 30 bombs per plane.

If anything, give FH a try. If you don't like it (you probably will) then you might want to consider the other mods I've mentioned. If you have any questions about the mod just ask here or in a server, people will usually help out with a minimum of harassment. And as always, RTFM :)

The sense of accomplishment is really prevalent. If you take out a Tiger tank, you're like "hell yeah, i just smoked a Tiger!" and most of the time your team will appreciate the effort. Tigers are very tough tanks and can only be owned from above with handheld anti tank weapons.

The site is kinda out of date as far as vehicles and weapons go, but you'll always have your nation's staple infantry rifle. Japs get the Arisaka 6.5mm, Russians have the Mosin-Nagant/SVT40, Germans have the G43/K98, US has Springfield in the early maps and a Garand in the later ones.

Snipers aren't a spawnable class. You need to find a sniper kit on the ground in order to be one. This adds a lot of atmosphere, as there can only be 1 or 2 snipers per side per map and people aren't in 30x30 sniper wars.

There are issues with balance in desert maps and a few bugs to deal with, but this is a beta. The current version, .6, is WORLDS ahead of .5 and is definately worth a try.

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Here's some screenshots taken from pubs.

Crete, the tiny island that is getting assaulted by German paratroopers. I man a 40mm AA gun...
http://www.gamingforums.com/attachme...tid=4502&stc=1

Here's an actual (not staged) screenshot of those same German paratroopers piled into a Junkers transport plane, heading over to Crete.
http://www.gamingforums.com/attachme...tid=4505&stc=1

An IS-2, a heavy Russian tank, one of the many beautiful models in the game. With a 120mm gun, this tank oblitherates anything it hits, with the exception of it's arch enemy, the King Tiger...
http://www.gamingforums.com/attachme...achmentid=4503

I hide an MG42 in some bushes and watch the "shore" of Stalingrad for approaching Russian boats. My entire team seen in the minimap is defending the shore from them. If they get on shore, it's not easy to win the map, as the Russians have the PpsH.
http://www.gamingforums.com/attachme...tid=4504&stc=1

The Tiger tank I mentioned above rolls beneath my position. I was hitting them from the top as they came but I ran out of ammo, so I tell the 105mm Arty gunner at the end of the road to get ready. Tigers mean business.
http://www.gamingforums.com/attachme...tid=4506&stc=1

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And I had to include this one. It's me on a MG34 position guarding the path on Omaha Beach (not the Dice one, we have a better one). I'm gunning down a poor fool who thought he could just walk up there unopposed.

http://www.gamingforums.com/attachme...tid=4507&stc=1

MGs (machinegun emplacements) aren't NEARLY as useless as they were in vanilla BF. 1 hit kills in most cases, and you aren't exposed when you get on one like you were in vanilla bf. A single MGer can hold back 20 or 30 enemy troops without getting hit. It's still possible to snipe them out of there, but it certainly isn't easy, as only the top inch of their head is exposed. Also, there are ....
http://www.gamingforums.com/attachme...tid=4508&stc=1
..Deployable MG kits. You pick the kit up, find a place to put it down, and set up your very own custom placed machinegun mount. These kits aren't limited to the 80 round drums and recoil that the handheld MGs have, you get a full 250 rounds and no recoil (improved accuracy too). Putting one of these in a strategic position can mean a lot. You can rotate about 30 degrees quickly using the mouse, and you can rotate a complete 360 degrees using the arrow keys, at a much slower rate. If your cone of fire needs to change, you can hit it.

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Fh is about as real as mods get! If this still doesn't satisfy you then I suggest that you buy Unreal Tournament 2004 and download the Red Orchestra Mod.

And if that doesn't wet your whistle you could shell out $30 a month and play WWII online, a game where you have to hit 15 buttons to start a plane and where you usually have to drive for 15 mintues before you get to the front!

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Definatly give FH A TRY , oh and if you do end up liking it , and staying here , a little advice never piss someone off here :) other than that were here are nice :)

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much thanks Ohioan...downloads in progress now. looks like i might actually have some fun with this mod. caught my eye when you mentioned the "coding innovations" and sense of accomplishment. new models and textures are always secondary to gameplay and design for me and according to your representation, FH seems to have a good blend of both.

been thinking alot of my problems with BF1942 are with spawn timers. i just dont think tickets are enough to discourage the playstyle of "blazing guns, kill, die, respawn-so-fast-who-cares-about-medics" cycle i hate so much. not really interested in the Unreal mod called BF1942 hehe. FH looks promising tho. gonna give it a try tonight.

thanks again.

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thanks. i hadnt heard the Red Orchestra mod was moving to Ut2004. frankly, after playing UT for 2 years in a competitive clan i got burnt out on chaotic FPS games. never considered buying ut2004 but you got me thinking now hehe.

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As far as gameplay goes, FH has it's own style. You either love it or hate it. I know I'm biased towards it so I won't go too deeply into it, but you'll notice right away that it isn't like anything you've played before. The weapons in FH are so much deadlier then in bf1942 that you have to be a lot more careful in order to accomplish anything. This means ramboing into a base is usually not a good idea. Spawn times are server settings, but most servers keep it on around 20 seconds, which is a nice round number for that.

Some players, like myself, tend to be more aggressive then others and tend to enjoy destroying enemies more then getting flags, but both actions do help the team. The other day I was flying a Stuka on El Alamein, and I got shot up over the north flag. There were 4 Brits down there, as they had recently capped it. I float down in my parachute, and start spraying 9mm rounds around from my pistol. I get a headshot on one guy, the other guy dies to 5 bullets to the legs, and then I skirt around the edge of the bunker and reload. The other guys are heading towards me and they all have rifles, which aren't that great in close combat. I spray a few more rounds and dart into the bunker, sit by the health cabinet and see if any Tommy kits were there. None.. so I run out and the soldiers who were running in didn't see me run out. I kill one more guy with Pistol bullets to the back and pull a knife. The last guy sees me and shoots, misses, and I walk up and knife his head. I just took out 4 soldiers with a Pilot kit, and I take the flag. That's not something I planned to do and I was definately lucky.

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ah ... and dont forgett to pick a parachute up before you are attempting to fly a plane ;)

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Crete isn't a tiny island..

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http://nitret.daug.net/offtopic.gif
Your fonts look much better than mine, have you tweaked them or what? :uhm:

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It's Anti-aliasing. Messes up the console though.

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FH is itself doesn't offer vehicles being used more sparingly.......

I was trying to adress that issue with my REPAIR thread, trying to make clear that repair facilities are missing or are blocked by spawning vehicles that even kill you when they respawn when you are busy repairing there. Without proper ability to repair ALL vehicles the game still uses vehicles as careless disposable items. Maybe great for public server fragfests, but nor for more serious matches.

The devs did include anti bunnyhopper and abuse counter measures as wide slow closing crosshairs on certain weapon ensuring they cannot be fired on the run, and must be deployed as defensive weapons or in their RL appropriate way, and pilot class so you can't exit planes with an infantry kit in maps without transport planes to abuse aircraft to cap a flag. You can still exit to cap a flag when you have a pilot kit, but then you will find yourself outgunned only holding a pistol and a knife. Without a pilot kit you will fall to death. Landing a plane can be done near some flags, but is often a practical faillure as a landing plane is vulnerable to almost all weapons there are, and you usually attract so much attention you will be shot when running toward the flag from your plane....Experience shown it really works....no more plane abusing flag cappers....

What you are looking for is probably a clan or the guys at the WAW servers that like to play FH in an organised way instead of public player chaos.

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Bear in mind though, that even if this game encourages more serious teamwork, smacktards still can't be completely blocked out(re: Tales of Stupidity Thread).

Sometimes on pubs, you will notice that there are still some smacktards there bent on ruining your day.

To really, 'get away from it all,' sign up at WaW.:deal:

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reeree,

Whilst I don't wish to push you away from FH (play them both). You might also enjoy Eve of Destruction. It's a Vietnam mod, with a lot of intense infantry battles in a jungle environment. Some of the maps are (imo) the best available for the BF series. A very atmospheric and well made mod.

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[QUOTE=CooL™To really, 'get away from it all,' sign up at WaW.:deal:[/QUOTE]

Yep -- pubbing is fun if you're just chillin' out and you want to blow some stuff up, but if you're really looking for a serious (and extremely fun) battle experience, sign up for BFE-WaW.

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I think you and I have similiar feelings on the usefulness of classes considering the rampant vehicle abuse. I'm tired of choosing engineer with the intention of helping my team when all i seem to do is hurt them by not focusing on killing enemies with my own vehicle :mad: . I'd like to see a finite number of vehicles per map. no respawning. they must be fixed by engineers once damaged. i think that would force people to protect their armor units and add intensity to battles and reliance on your teammates to use their classes skillfully. in any case it would be nice to have as a server option for those who enjoy the game experience we are describing.

thank you guys so much for directing me to WAW...i checked it out and signed up and am really excited to play in these campaigns!!

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Well actually now that TWL has set up the Fh ladder for organzied matchs between clans and teams no need to worry about bfe waw, no way im standing around at some fringe outpost for an hour....

You truley want an escape from noobs join the Fh ladder at TWL, it 100 times better then public server's.........

{TDB}MajGen Mycalle Ac-Co
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"Fight Harder, live longer"

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Yep, Anti-Aliasing makes screen fonts look a lot sharper, but the console is almost unreadable. My settings are as follows:

http://www.gamingforums.com/attachme...tid=4540&stc=1

Works great for BF1942. If you want to play BF:V, though, set Anti-Aliasing to "Use Game Default" or you'll get crazy glitches.

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ok ok so i download and install FH....

two hours later i've made a bogus call into work to stay home and play for another 3 hours...now my eyes are burning!!!

fantastic mod! :bows:

a completely different game than bf1942 its so nice. thanks!

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http://www.gamingforums.com/attachme...tid=4505&stc=1

It satisfies me that those two jack asses that didnt select a parachute class died a horrible death.

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hehehe, stupid engies.

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Hehe...I did'nt notice that untill you pointed that out.

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As much as I will be pro-FH as most of the others here, I'm afraid my opinion of public play FH isn't much different from public Vanilla. Public play is public play, smacktards abound. You'll still get TK'd for the King Tiger, you'll still see the guy who TK'd you for the George fly it into a tree on take off and so on.

What you want reeree is FH combined with the glorious BFE.

BFE? http://bf1942.battleforeurope.com/ (Campaign #7 is about to start and we use the FH mod)

Organised armies in battles twice weekly, completely organised companies and TS structures. No random rambos, no TKs for vehicles, no spawn raping while back flags go gray. It's free to signup (random army assignement) or a small fee to choose your army (Allies or Axis).

I'm not saying FH is as bad as vanilla play, there are some good servers out there with a mature crowd, it's just for the most part I find a pubbie is a pubbie, doesn't matter what mod. I've never touched a public server since signing up for BFE, just can't compare.

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yeah, but it depends if he has time for a clan.. Who knows, he might get lucky and get to join the action on the frontline..

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So, in clan play people don't defend flags? :)

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I've had that experience too. They always stick me on some useless flag that only one guy attacks with a pilot kit after he bails.. I prefer pub play to clan-organized stuff, but that's just me. I can see why lots of people like it.

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You don't actually need to be in a clan or WAW if there would be servers specially for player groups.....

Lets say someone started a server ONLY for serious players, and with the mandatory demand you join one of the two TS channels provided, one for each team.

I suspect if players respect each other and can communicate better with each other ( TS ) there will be a more satisfying game for all. No need to order other players around to have coordination.

When there are capable artillery gunners and bomber pilots, they would probably be happy dedicating themselves to answer requests for support. Or infantry supporting tanks....gunners able to communicate in vehicles making them more efficient ( who hasn't been a top mg gunner and saw an enemy tank aproaching that the tanks driver didn't see ? )

I guess i am saying you can start a clan, but also something like a less restricting "interest group" in a certain way of playing the game. I guess no real bf1942/FH or other mod player really enjoys public server games. Something other then run 'n frag is rarely seen....

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hell ya woot! i just signed up for BFE. it looks amazing and i cant wait to enter the campaign and do my small part.

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There are a few DC servers that have their own TS for Allies and for Axis. You get kicked if you don't join the voicechat within a few minutes of getting on the server, and it seems to make for games 100x better than the average pub match.

Re: now i know why i hated Rambo
 

You might be interested in WWIIOnline
http://www.wwiionline.com

I've been a WWIIOL subscriber for over a year now. Great game, has it's faults, but it's getting better and better.

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bump

Ah, I'd like to know more about WWIIOnline. Yes, I know it's an MMO and all that, but I have heard some negative comments on this game from people. Like sucky graphics and how long it takes you to get to the action.

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The screenshots aren't too impressive, but the graphics aren't what make the game.

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Lol! I did the same thing(except with school)but I was actually sick though lol.

WWIIOL is very fun and addicting but costs money and takes a while to get into action.