Pros and Cons of BF: Vietnam
 

I´m hoping to get my copy of BF: Vietnam tomorrow.

Some of you guys might already have it so I thought we could gather Pros and Cons for switching FH to BF: Vietnam (sooner or later).

Pro:
-Multiple weapon kits for even more variation in arms
-Better more detailed vehicles possible
-Almost identical structur to BF 1942
-New flag capture system would also be cool in FH
-undergrowth system would surley improve lots of FH maps

Con:
-Not any huge game-play changing advantages
-Chopper filght physics would bb left unused in FH
-Not yet as popular as BF 1942


I´ll add some more (hopefully) once I´ve actually been able to play it. Whoever already has it fell free to share your thoughts.

And please NO EA/DICE flaming about BF: Vietnam beeing a rip-off etc. If your not getting it, then STFU:fistpunch:

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Cons: Every single model had to be redone weapon models, trees, buildings etc.

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Nope, DICE said mods could use any model from BF1942 they want in a BF:V mod.

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Hmm, well, at least they're nice about it.(Smart of them to allow that)

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Con - default bfv has higher sysrequirement then bf42, fh has higher sysrequirement then bf42, fh+bfv = slide show

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i read in the penny arcade interview that the americans speak vietnamise(sp?)

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Howdy folks...


I´ve already given up on playin BF-V, even though i got it 10 hours ago...
In my opinion, they should have called it "Unreal Vietnam", or "Quake-Cong", because thats what it is gamplay-wise.

Its is waaaay too arcarde, there´s just no need for tactics.Graphics are good so far, but the Sound sure misses something, theres no acoustic atmosphere, you dont even hear bullets around you.Most of the time you die and never seen where it came from or even noticed you were under fire.
Classes are very unbalanced, the american heavy gunner has the M-60 , which he can use as a sniper rifle (well, without scope) while standing + he gets a bazooka/grenade launcher.

The netcode is crap, its almost impossible to get a good connection, even with 512 Kbit up/downstream and pings below 30.

I´m gonna wait for a patch and the n00bs (not newbies) to calm down a bit, and then give it a try again.
Maybe there´ll be a mod for it by then, well see...

So far, FH will do just fine for me, nothing beats it !


JW

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I have it and it is great fun. I have only been able to play it a few hours but my first impressions are pretty good. They seemed to have increased the realism a little by making the amount of bullets to kill someone halfway between BF42 and FH. The effects, and graphics overall are beautiful. Not much I can say until I have played it more.

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Sounds pretty much like BF1942 when it first came out. Crappy netcode, horrible optimization, etc. They improved all of that, as well, but only by about 1.2 or so. even after that, it's taken them a LONG time to get in changes that should've shipped with the first run (good adminning tools, balanced gameplay IE: grenades can't kill a tank so easily, etc.).

I suspect much of this is EA wanting to kick games out the door quickly.

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I won't buy bfv so i hope that fh wont change.
If they do change, they will lose a lot of fans, and it will probably be a lagfest or a slidshow like stridex said. One of the main reasons i like bf1942 is because of the planes. With Fh, i dont need no bf. Bfv should have been an expansion considering the lack of materials in it. For example, flashpoint resistance probably has most stuff then bfv in it, and its only an expansion to the original game.
In conclusion bfv= :thumbsdown:

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In conclusion, you haven't even played the game.

I was skeptical about the game, even though I preordered it. I figured that since it was the Vannila EA/Dice release it wouldent be all that amazing, but I was very suprised.

It's much more fun than vannila BF or DC (Like it's hard?)

It does have netcode problems, and some balancing issues, but most of the pubbies have yet to realize how good the M60/AT class is, and so they don't use it..that's good.

Overall the game is a definate 9/10 and I think FH should make the switch, because BF1942 will slowly die out because of BF:V, and rightfully so, it's a great game.

Most of the sounds are good as well, and the music adds alot to it.

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First of all the classes aren't THAT unbalanced. I thought they would be at first, but in reality, they aren't. The sniper-bazooka's are gone, and you have LAW's and RPG's that are fairly short-ranged. And guided missiles which are cool.

But all of that is besides the point really, because this isn't about how BFV is now, but what the engine gives to FH.

If NOTHING else, FH needs BF:V for the jungle environments it can provide. They're stunning. The undergrowth is very nicely done...Okinawa would look fantastic in the BF:V engine. Or maybe a Merrel's Marauders map...

Also, the general effects are very good. I don't know if they can do the muzzle flash in BF1942 like they can in BFV. Also, you can use twice as many textures, at least that's what I think I read. Bump mapping!

It's not perfect, and it certainly lacks the refinement of BF:1942, especially after the 1.6 patch. But it IS an improvement on the engine.

As for the "system requirements are too high" argument, I don't think that's the best argument I have ever heard for keeping a game/mod from using the resources available to them to make the best product possible.

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BFV as a game Im not too fond of, but they did improve the engine a bit. The folliage is very nice, and there's propbly some neat things you could do with the classes, and maybe some kind of infantry damage system (players slow down)

I'm not sure if it's worth the time to do a total conversion.

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i was really skeptic about it too , but it really is fun not the most realistic but fun as hell , and the music is cool, there are some bugs like it lags like a bitch when in a group of tanks jeeps and people , napalm is fun as hell put it kills as many teammates as it does gooks (heehee nam laguage) i reccomend you do buy it
no its the arvn(my cousin is mike k. from pennyarcade)

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Well, I like BF:V, even though the netcode is buggy. I think with a couple of patches it will improve, and it has the potential to be a lot of fun. I think it is a definite step up from EOD, which was also fun. Of course, this means that I am using it for enjoyment sake. FH is still my primary game, and our clan plays it seriously. I don't care if FH switches over to BF:V or not, because I will keep playing FH regardless, simply because it is still the best gameplay around.

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That's assuming that BFV is as unoptimized as BF1942 in general. Most mods have that problenm because they're pushing the engine too far, but mods wouldn't be pushing the engine in BF:V as much

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Here's my thoughts after 1 day of playing it:

Out of the box, the game was broken. It wouldn't detect the CDs (perfectly legitimate copy, bought at CompUSA) and I immediately had to get a no-CD hack in order to even start the game. The graphics glitches were tremendous and the game ran very poorly. After 3 hours of tweaking and fixing, it's running decently and things don't bug out.

Things I like
Netcode is very much improved. You don't have to aim half a screen ahead to account for lag anymore. Also, pistols fire when you hit the trigger, no more waiting for server synch. This makes semi-auto weapons very cool now.

Bump-Mapping, while it leaves a cartoonish effect on most BF:V stuff, could bring a lot more detail.

Sounds. BF:V supports Miles 2d Positional, EAX, EAX2, EAX3, Surround sound 5.1-7.1, and is very customizable to allow a good mix of preformance and quality.

Tracer effects are a lot more realistic, explosions look better.

Great booby trap/mine systems. Sticky bombs are definately possible here.

Music. Great soundtrack, excellent implementation (aside from an obvious bug where music will slow down do to sound occulsion and doppler effect when playing on a vehicle that speeds past you).

3d map option allows you to see waypoints and friendly units through the terrain and foliage at long distance, with distance markers. Useful for pilots who are limited in visibility by fog.

The Fog is done a lot better in Vietnam as well, it isn't nearly as bad as it is in bf1942.

Things i dont like
Slow preformance. I have a high-end box and I can get framerate drops into the 10FPS range. It's NOT a smooth-running game.

Foliage Graphics. The ground cover stuff is neat and done well, but the trees look awful (jagged pixelated edges against a white sky).

Bugs. Trying to force Anisotropic Filtering or FSAA will cause the first person gun models to dissapear in some cases and severely impact your preformance in others. Apperantly it only happens on ATI cards. The CDs aren't detected because of a known bug in Windows XP where a programmer uses a shortcut to access the list of devices on a computer. This has been known about for some time.

There aren't truly full-customizable kits. There's the same setup as before. You pick a kit and go with it. There's just 8 to choose from instead of 5, and the way it's set up makes it look like you have the ability to customize it, but it's just like bf1942.

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I don't think this is going to be worth switching over to. It's got nice graphics and a few more options, but as far as FH is concerned, most of them can't be used (homing missiles, hellicopter controls..). I say stick with bf1942. And if you're going to buy Vietnam, I'd wait for a bit, until you can get a Demo to gauge the preformance on your system or until they release a patch. The balance is terrible, M60+rocket launcher class is ridiculous. The M60 kills in 2 hits and fires 4 rounds a second, is accurate at long range.

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I am curious. I see many of you saying you are having performance issues, but the only issue I have seen is that the netcode is still a little buggy. As far as how it runs, I have a middle of the road machine, and it runs like a top on my machine with everything cranked. I do wish the foliage was a little better than it is (hint: play Vietcong). Just for comparison sake, here's my vital system stats:

Athlon XP 2400 overclocked to 2.27 Ghz
768 MB DDR 2100
Radeon 9700 Pro 128MB

No framerate drops, no video chop, just crap netcode (again).

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If you dink with it enough, you can probably modify the helicopter's towing capability to make fully towable field guns by any APC/tractor/truck, which would be cool.

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I suggest you get a better PC then.

Besides it is not true, that BFV has no gameplay changes tot BF1942. It plays a lot different.

Especially the infantry firefights!

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They never said there would be such. Just 4 classes, each having 2 starter kits to choose from.

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con- its almost impossible to take down a cobra with a mig, i mean sure you got the sa-7 but your dead before you get the second shot.
con- american AT class has a very powerful high rof mahine gun AND a rocket or grenade launcher. its a killing machine but its unfair for the other team.
con- most of the music sucks (in my opinion)
pro- getting in mig-21 and owning the newb in the chinook listening to "surfin bird"

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:lol:
:drink:

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You gotta be kidding. The music is probably the best part of the game..

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I think it's a coding issue. It's not a hardware issue.

Athalon XP3200+@400mhz FSB
1 gig pc2800 DDR ram
Radeon 9700 pro
SB Audigy Z2

My machine outclasses yours and It barely runs for me. I don't know the problem, and it's only been out for a day so no one else seems to know the "magic setting" to turn off to get it to run good.

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Personally, I think that the while the jungle environments are good, the urban ones are excellent. Just a very "lived-in" environment. Right now in Bf1942/FH all the towns, even those that are supposed to be cities, feel small to me...but maybe that's right.

The biggest issue is that ATI/DICE didn't optimize anything for ATI cards. Which is exceedingly lame on both their parts. Over at Rage3d they insist there'll be a driver fix coming soon. It's playable on my 9700 pro, just not with AA.

And I was thinking about the music...we could have big band music for the allies...german marches...well, it'd have to be a mix because I have no clue if you can create music based on the side you were on, probably not.

Whoever said that you could convert helicopters into vehicles that tow, fantastic idea.

The weapon models in BFV are VERY nice IMO (little pieces swing when you move....very nice).

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Has any of the FH team attempted a port yet? Its supposed to be a straight forward task. Of course i have no modding experience! :p

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the problem is that EA dosnt care what dice sais ... and EA dosnt allow it

we anyways would do it without any conflicts - it's just fucking much work - the problem is that you would have to have BFV and BF to be able to play it

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I only have a 2.0 Ghz Processor, 256 DDR Ram and a GeForce 4 MX 420 and my clan says the game should run fine on my system. The game only cost's 39.99 (Bout 25 american) in Canada so even if it sucks its not a big deal.
They say anyone should be able to run it if they can run Reg BF just turn the graphics settings down a bit! Im going to probably get more ram tomorro too that should hopefully fix some of the current FH/ DC lag too!
I will try running the game on 256DDR though and tell everyone what its like :)

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Well not according to this thread:
http://www.gamingforums.com/showthread.php?t=114463

I wouldn't like it though if you guys moved to BF:v, cause then I'd have to buy that game ;)

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I know a lot of people that can barely play Fh on minimum settings.

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like i allready said - dice is nice, but they dont have the say...
ea has the rights of bfv and if they say no, dice can only tell them that they want it, but ea has the final say imo

and we probably got abit more info than the public - dont you think so? ;)

so you can trust me ...

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Why does fh have to completly convert cant they move but still mabye do small updates for bf42.

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we all noticed that post but that is an interview with a dice employee, so EA could still ruin everything. :( Well I dont see the use of moving to BF: V anyway.

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BFV falls from the sky like broken bird.

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hahaha i hate that asian lady! but you can blow up the speaker! it respawns in another minnute though :(

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Hmm, if converting stuff really is as easy as DICE claims, then maybe it would be possible to have 2 parallel Mods. I mean, you design the new stuff once, and just putt it into both games...

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Thats because they didn't realize that there was the NVA: North Vietnamese Army.

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No there are three allied sides and those are The South VIetnameese Armie which speaks Vietnameese and the US Army and US Special Forces both of which speak English.
The Vietcong and the NVA speak vietnameese aswell.

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you know that the ingame radio station for the vehicles GIVES you away way before you get there.

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Ehh

BFV Is just not improved enough for 35 bucks.

and yes, the classes are unbalanced. They coded the M-60 to fire at 900rpm, when it really fires at 550rpm... Like twice as fast...

Edit: Yes, it would be possible yo make a mod thats just bf1942. Unofficially, I can say that dice is working on converting all the BF stuff into a bfv mod. Nothing definite, and dont quote me, but I have sources that tell me that its a wip. And that its damn hard.

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I have a rather crappy rig and BF:V runs just fine with everything on low

AMD +1800
512 RAM
GF 4 mx440 64 meg (yuck!)

IMO it's a great game.

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you call that crappy? i dont even meet the minnimum requirments :p
i only get in games with 4 or 5 people :)

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Well my graphic card sucks bigtime ;) When I get my 9600 256 meg it wont suck soo much.

btw, BF can't be fun with 5 people in a server...

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The graphical improvement in BFV is a good reason in itself to convert. Now when I go back to FH the environment stands out, it looks naked and unnatural. Bf42 (and FH) is so flat... in BFV the terrain is much more varied, and the undergrowth cover up and knit together the whole image of the landscape. Immersion. The city maps are beautiful. I'm already having wet dreams about a DC or FH-mod with tank guns that actually shoot straight... :naughty:

Don't judge the game by the screenshots, you have to get the full gaming experience to fully appreciate the improvements. Also the graphical flag-timer is a great addition, before I got the game I thought it was a useless gimick, I was wrong. Now, all Dice have to do is get rid of the BUGS and imbalances...

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I might get flamed for this but BFV runs smoother than FH on my comp. *me hides*

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I have bf vietnam and all i can think about when i play it is FH WOULD BE SOOO COOL IN BFV!! please make the switch, it will be awesome to have actual vegetation and better graphics.... its hard to play regular bf1942/fh after playing bfv because everything is wide open in bf1942 where in bfv u can hide 2 feet from the opfor in a thicket of grass .. how cool!

vanilla bfv sucks.... i have to admit... lots of bugs and problems u all know about... but its the mods that are gonna make this game the best.. Especially FH mod. So please please please make the switch!

:beer: -- TweedleDee

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well after a few hours play of battlefielf vietnam i gotta say that the game is brilliant and has lots of intresting features.The reload animations are amazing and different music for each map is realy good also.Fh should consider moving over to battlefiield vietnam for sure.

-The foliage would make for excellent pacific maps such as guadalcanal and okinawa
-different loading music for each map.You can imagine it now star sprangled flag for iwo jima,soviet anthem for stalingrad,german victory song for fall weiss,nazi anthem for berlin,ride of the valkyres for battle of britian,eisenhowers d day speech for omaha, brits national anthem for el alamien and maybe marine song for siapan.
-The animations would come in very handy.The revolver animation would suit the no 2 very well and the m60 animation would suit the 30 and 50 cal also
- different character models for each class!
-towable vehicles
-sticky bombs, abillity to dig tunnels
-the list goes on :nodding: fh team plz consider moving to vietnam

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I think this is a very good reason against it, besides I have not waited over 2 years to get Bf out of arcade to spend my money to get right back into it... .
And it makes me think to see so many ppl who claimed before just how bad vanilla is, just to be now in the first wave to promote the same...

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Performance is the main reason to stick with BF1942. It's depressing how much performance has dropped. On my Athlon XP 2100+ with 512ram and a GF4 Ti4200 I used to play vanilla BF1942 at high with effects turned on, ran nicely. In BFV I run at virtually all low settings, and my fps is a bit dodgey at times. Now remember FH was more demanding than vanilla BF1942, try and guess at how hard performance will drop with FH on BFV.....