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just remember how bf42 was when it came out as well. it ran like crap on my last maching as well. after a patch it ran much much better.

im keeping an eye out for bfv mods. hopefully these brilliant modders will at least try a mini mod to see how hard it actually is.

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but you see this is a "new" engine it suppose to be built whatever is the foundation of bf42. but it should be running out of the box if its built on bf42 current version

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BF42 and BF:V both use the Refractor 2 engine, but that doesn't mean that DICE just changed out some stuff to make it look like Vietnam. They had to rewrite the render engine or something to display all the foilage and stuff. Even small changes can spawn bugs that aren't noticed by beta testers for some reason.

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they also rehauled the sound engine or added to it to be able to play the music. and we all know how much sound seems to casue lag on servers.

remember also that BFV went into design at a very early stage of BF42 i belive i first heard it at around 1.25 which if my memory serves correct was the second patch for bf42

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if you believe those stories. i dont. this is from the same people who said that they couldnt fix the chatlag, but instead they said if they fix the chatlag, it would make the game more lagged. all BS.

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My initial thoughts exactly. Although I haven't played the game, I've seen some outlandish screen shots including a helicopter flying through the air carrying a large boat which itself is carrying another helicopter on its deck--and the flying 'copter is holding onto its load with a single cable. Just a symbol, to me, that BFV has gone too arcade. BF1942 had it's problems with Unreal-esque infantry moves--BFV seems to be worse. Not worth the time nor money.

Sure it's just a game, but I'm partial to realism in the action genre. More tactics, more stealth--less jumping, diving, and shootin' from the hip. The game's not for me, but for plenty of others BFV will be well worth the money in the long-run.

Beyond BFV, however, I am interested in NovaLogic's "Joint Operations" for what might be a more realistic 1st person action game. By the way, did you know EA is a major stock holder of Nova Logic? Just can't escape the EA money-making machine :fistpunch:

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You guys must relieze BF is an arcade game, not realism. Beyond its unrealistic gameplay(though they have made many things about the game more realistic) it is very fun and enjoyable!

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dont feel for the darkside!

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Forget about BF: vietnam! Its too arcadisch (bf1942 was fine, it was on the edge of being too arcadisch). When they first announced bf: V I was hoping dice would make it a bit more realistic but nope (also thanks to dc the most populair but arcadisch mod of bf) they made it even more arcadisch, *sigh*. They even dare to ask € 45,- / 50,- (euro's) for it!

So i will not buy bf: V until there is a mod for it that will surpas FH on all fronts.

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I`ve played BF:V and didn`t like it.Too arcade (maybe even more then BF) and for some reason I found the grafics like a cartoon,don`t know why...And yet I bought:silly: it cause I thought maybe online it would be fun.You know,playing it between a few rounds of FH....
BUT... it won`t run decent on my system.I heard it has something to do with Netcode?? :help:
Anyways,after BF:V I`ve only gotten more respect for the FH devs and the work they made:bows:

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educate the sheep. stop giving EA your money

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The GIs speak English. It's the South Vietnamese who speak Vietnamese. They fought against the North Vietnamese too.

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I think BFV is a blast, the helis handle really well and it doesn't take long to get some decent tactics going with small groups, plus the city maps are just amazing.

Can't say I've played all the maps as I'm running it on a Pentium 3 750 which is below their minimum spec so some maps just give up straight away.

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a other ripof evil arts!

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BF:1942 is arcadish too...

Again, it's not the GAME BF:V that you should be critical of, it's what the engine can or cannot do.

Remember that whole mod thing? :D

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Somehow I get 3 times as much FPS in BF1942 as in BFV with the same settings. For the rest I think it's ok, not much better than BF1942 vanilla gameplay-wise.

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frigging laggy got it to day i regret it already, do not get that sijty game until its good or a patch is out.

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I'm not gonna buy Battlefield because I already have Battlefield
I think a Vietnam add-on for BF1942 would be the same and a lot cheaper.

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OMG some of you acctually bought bf: V? I knew that it would be crappy (filled with mayor and minor bugs) its published by EA,that says enough...

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mods shouldnt have to come to the rescue for bfv to make it a success, exspecially for an EA product. they already suckard us once with bf42, but in that case it was first of its kind, so it got a pass.

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Ya sure, just forget the fact that without Dice you wouldn't be playing FH and this forum wouldn't exist. :rolleyes: Or maybe you made a better game on your home PC, care to share?

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no i'm more thankful to the FHdevs, that they made the arcade bs of Dice into something bareable. beyond releasing the game, dice/ea has no where done what valve did with HL1.

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why are most of u guys ea and bfv haters i think its a great game and iam not bothered if its not realistic cause i am not a vietnam war buff.

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because they had an oppertunite to do what valve did for hl1, but instead EA/dice decided/willing to milk this like the sims.

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Well, you must admit the game was released in a very immature stae and dosn´t really have alot of content. I hope the patches bring in more. (Very laggy with more than 32 players).

But the game itself is still pretty fun, but we need a balance patch ASAP (M60+LAW)

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Pro:

- Lots of new and usefull features to use in FH as well.
- Improved graphics, details and terrain

Bad:

- Some fresh new bugs to deal with

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if you are going to make a switch, then it better hell be worth it IN THE LONG RUN. and I dont seeing jumping from one EA product to another EA product is going to help in the end. If FH ever decides to switch, it had better be an engine has all the features of refractor2 without the problems and shortcomings, and WITHOUT EA midlings into things.

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I agree completely - even though I prefer the subject matter of a WWII based game to a Vietnam one, the engine improvements make such a difference. Infantry can truly move around maps while keeping in cover and hiding from snipers or tanks now - just think what long grass and decent tree cover would do for a FH map?
One thing Oxide didn't mention was that the time taken to capture a spawn point depends upon whether it is a "major" one or not and decreases if you have more team-mates with you. This really improves the teamwork aspect of the game.

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You think you can hide and take cover in BFV by hiding in the undergrowth. You probably never noticed, but the undergrowth is only displayed up to about 30 (virtual) meters, so you can only really hide if the enemy is close by. So that normaly counts out snipers...

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I don't understand the bitching about DICE/EA...well, I do about EA, but DICE made a great game (Bf1942) and did well with BF:V. I don't know what it gains anybody to bitch about them.

Can you just imagine the what Kursk might be like with BF:V?

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/av...s/pzIIIrus.jpg

http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/av...s/PzinRus2.jpg

You can't do that foliage now.

Imagine what you could do with Bocage? XWWII did a good job, but imagine the possibilities with the BF:V engine.

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what engine its shittyer than bf42 i drove a jeep it was like riding against a glass wall inch by inch,sounds of the guns keep on making noise after release of the trigger,nobody cant see you in the undergrowth my arse,they c u miles away.tags suck
.do i need to go on?

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Got BF, I wish Dice would do something to make it a bit less arcadey. An M60 guy who also carries around grenade laucners and LAWs? WTS?
Rocket pods that fire 1 rocket at a time? WTF?

Not a bad game though, and it does look nice and if the work wasn't too extreme it would be worth it to port FH IMO

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man i bet we r beta testers for e a !

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They just threw in a heap of trees and called it a new engine... You can still add grainfields like this one, but you'll get the same FPS as in BFV.

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that why i think they really didnt do much to the graphics engine but instead they just upped the system requirements and called it a new engine

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i think BFV is a funny game and i play it and the graphics are great... its a good game its not like RTR or that other expansion ..

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man admit it when it sucks it sucks. I hope for a frigging good mod 4 it.Or els a waist of good money.

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Talking about Battlefield Vietnam in a Forgotten Hope forum is like talking about Star Trek in a line waiting for the next Star Wars movie. 2 completely different ideologies.

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Hey, take it easy, if you can't make a useful contribution to the discussion then don't bother posting at all!

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Sorry but you are talking out of your arse. How much have you played BFV?

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You are mixing things up, we are playing a BF42 mod, not a HL mod, right? Maybe you prefer DoD over FH?

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Yeah, I'm like a ventriloquist, took me years of practice...

I played it twice and there is hardly less lag than in regular BF when you put lots of grass on a map.

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lol,
But can't we "borrow" the bf: V grass code? Would be very useful.
Just use their code as an "inspiration" , i might work since its basicly the same engine.
Having grass (and maybe other kinds of vegatation such as different kinds of farm plants) would be a very nice addition!

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The length at which you can see tags is a server option, not the game's option.

The only way I plan to buy BFV is if FH does move to it... so I don't really care much. I'll gladly pay to have a better version of FH.

I look forward to if it does or doesn't the Devs have to decide whether it's worth it, if they do I'll go ahead with buying it, if they don't I guess I save some money.

I think they should go for it if it's a much better game engine. Also, if FH moves to it I'm sure most everyone who can run BFV will be able to run FH well too.

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Dammnit comparing BF42s engine with BF:Vs is like compare Q3s engine with CoDs!

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hey Q3 and Cod have the same engine (dont they??) and why cant i like FH and BFV i am probally the most experienced and most faithfull Fan of FH here!

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Lol BAM, thats what I mean, they use the same engine but the graphics are waaaay different between CoD and Q3.

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yea yea yea i know whta you mean ;)

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Hmmm......i could not resist picking that game up when i was near a store that had it....

Must say it doesn't look like bf1942 at all. The map enviroment has changed enough so that it has indeed not that "empty" map feeling that bf1942/ FH maps have.

Ofcourse the maps are a lot smaller then in FH, but FH maps would look much better too in there was real grass instead of a flat green surface representing grass.

Sounds seems to have been improved too, support for EAX2 and 3, and support for up to 7.1 speakers.

When using RMB zoom function on infantry weapons you cannot run......very good.

Weapons look much better then in bf1942 too, if you increase detail level.

I can only find a few drawbacks for now :

1) I cannot run it smooth on my "old" GF4 4600 ti Ultra card ( full detail that is )
2) Weapons have no fire mode switch ( semi auto, burst, full auto )

It might be an interesting platform for FH, but in the long run.......right now the system requirements are so high half of the FH community would have performance issues.....